So I'm trying to decide what spells I should choose/use to train PM/Harness while not in combat. I currently use EAS but I get the feeling that isn't optimal. I know that MaB is a common spell to use at higher magic levels, although I do not have it at the moment.

So my question- are there any non-combat spells that teach higher or better than MaB? Am I right in my assumption that MaB would teach better than EAS?

I'm also vaguely interested in working magics in combat. Right now I just use CL, but that tends to lock TM faster than PM/Harn unless the latter are near walls. Have people had good luck with using MoA to work their magics? I tried it a bit but got impatient since it trained TM more slowly.

Any opinions about magic training techniques would be welcome. Thanks.


-Sephos

Sephos,

1) Use MaB when out of combat.

2) Don't be out of combat long enough to have to do that.

3) MOA will probably work well, but watch your mindstate.


- Mazrian

It sounds like MaB is the way to go then. One thing I'm curious about though.

<<CL works PM and harness really well if prepped high enough. I typically prep/cast at 25 for combat.

If I remember correctly, you play a big WM in TF. Is there a reason you cast CL at only 25 mana? I thought the cap was at 35 or so. The way I do it is to prep for half my personal limit, harness the other half, and cast. Would this teach less well than a straight prep/target/cast?


-Sephos

I was going to say the same thing. When you have no trouble killing, it is much more time efficient to skip the harnessing step. It also keeps PM/HA exp more balanced when you find the sweet spot of equal exp.

If you're pushing your limits, by all means harness extra and wait for full targeting. I never find myself in that situation because I hunt for defenses and TM is always well ahead.

I'm playing a 46th circle Warmie and up until now anytime I've trained my magical devices skill it's locked up my primary magic and my harness pretty well, which is ideal as I get to train all these magics in one routine. They used to lock either on the first round of emptying out my mana reserves, and if not then they either get locked on the second or third round.

Lately though, primary magic has really started slowing down and harness has started to slip almost 10 ranks ahead of it because of this. I don't mind harness being ahead, it's just that I know that it's nearly 10 ranks of primary that I'm missing because I'm not training correctly and I want to rectify this.

Primary Magic: 223
Harness Ability: 231
Power Perceive: 218
Magical Devices: 197
Targeted Magic: 184

I used to just charge my armband twice at 11, min prep either ES or SW, focus on the armband and then cast a few seconds later after waiting for the RT of the focus. I've tried upping the prep of the spells to about 10-12 mana, but this isn't having the desired effect.

The only way I can now lock my magic is to continually cast until my mana is empty, at regular intervals between other sections of training, and I must do this consistently to lock it over the space of about 10-20 minutes

My stats are:
Strength : 27 Reflex : 25
Agility : 24 Charisma : 23
Discipline : 26 Wisdom : 28
Intelligence : 26 Stamina : 23

Can anyone help me with this?

Possible spells to learn PM with are: SW, ES, VOI, FOI, AC, SUF, Zephyr and YS

This does not work, as when I harness mana and cast AC it does not move my magics. I can only cast AC once, recasting it does not effect the spell and I just end up with a bucket load of harnessed mana

Personally I have found ES to sux as a PM trainer past 200 ranks. I am past 500 in PM now and have NO issues locking it while locking MD. In fact my MD locking script has PM as the trigger to stop when it Locks. I alternate between casting EAS at 10mana prep and YS at base prep while charging a camb with 12 mana.

EAS or YS are good PM trainers. I used touse SW until around 300ish in PM than noticed a drop in PM learning with that spell so switched to YS and EAS. Try that see if it works.

>>Also this technique is not that I'm looking for. I'm looking for a way to lock my primary WHILE working my magical devices<<

You need to use a more difficult spell. Try VOI.



- Mazrian

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>>If this works like moon mage RF for training primary, just release the held spell, not the held mana. I forget the exact syntax off the top of my head, but its under RELEASE HELP if you don't know it. You'll only need to harness the mana at the beginning of the script and you can cast the spell over and over until the cows come home. You probably won't need to use this at since since it only trains PM/Harness, but if you find that your devices are on a wall rank and primary on a post wall, it might be nice to do a quick run of this after your device script is done just to top it up.

I forgot to mention that this is what I do, I lock MD using whatever spell then lock PM using AC (if it's not already).

I release all but if 20 mana is too much either find a better room or lower the amount of mana

The Aether cloak technique does actually work quite well once you only release the spell, and hold the harness mana for many recasts. Thanks for informing me of this. It works well to lock my primary magic after locking my harness and MD with the current routine

Though, a problem I find is that it's hard to hold the mana I need for it to harness when I'm finished locking magical devices, as my pool is low and holding any harnessed mana becomes increasingly hard. I move incrementally in harnesses of 5, up to about 20-25 over the space of 2-3 casts.

It's also forcing me to become very twitchy, due to all the nerve damage I'm receiving from letting mana slip.

Ideally I'd still like to be able to lock all PM and Harness with my MD and so I tried replacing the spells I was using in my magical devices routine from ES and SW, to a min prep YS and a 14 prep SW. But still my primary magic is not be taught anywhere near as well as my MD or Harness.

I've tried using VOI, but more often than not it's backfiring with the amount of mana I'm putting into it from the cambrith

No, PP is just about 6 ranks lower than PM. My magical devices hit 200 just there and two charges of 11 wasn't teaching that well for any spell.

So, I upped it to 3 charges of 11 instead of just 2 and now this is teaching my PM and harness much better than if I had increased the min preps by 11 mana, and only charged my cambrinth with 11 twice.

And I can't stand the crossings, so I'm based in Theren.

This is good to know, does the prep of the spell have to be particularly high? If I can cast a 45 prep YS, for example, does the it have to be as close to my highest cast as possible to really gain benefit from this, or is snap casting at lower mana just as good a teacher.

I know the phrase 'as high as possible, as fast as possible' should be a good description, but would snap casting of about a 15 prep work just effectively as a longer wait preperation of about 25 mana?

>>11 isn't a magic number so much anymore.

From what I understand and the limited testing i've done you want 5 seconds RT, that's your optimum number.

My general training routine for magic is prep spell charge camb foc camb cast rinse and repeat until locked, if PM is not locked prep held mana spell harn 10 cast release rinse and repeat until locked.

If you can't do this with 200 PP you need to find a better mana room, I've trained 2 characters over 100 using this method

It seems to be locking fine now. With a combination of YS and SW and 3 camb charges followed by a brief pause to stabalise my harnessing conditions (i.e. regain some of my mana pool) and then I break into AC as a held mana spell.

Nerve damage aside it's working really effectively, so thanks for the help!

Mind if I ask what spell EAS is? Never heard of that acronym

> Is your power perception ridiculously low or something? I did all my magic training > in one of the element chambers, the mana in excellent in there. Maybe you'll start a > fad and people will start hanging out in the guild instead of outside of it


I just started training there. and while I'm only 11th circle, I'm locking my PM, Harness, MD, in short order.

Now if I could do so well with TM!

Cormar

yeah and just wait until your harness skill just leapfrogs every other skill and you are scratching your head trying to figure out why your devices are so low