What Celestiaa said. A lot of older warrior mages have trouble with their prey hunting them because they neglected their defenses in favor of TM.

Also keep in mind that our magic is elemental in nature and it is winter and therefore snowing a lot, so your fire shard might not be having as much of an effect as you could wish.

What other targetting spells do you have? At your circle I was learning fairly well from pots and badgers, or from lipopods and water sprites.

Mheereia


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

<<I suppose this means I should move a none-fire targetted up on my shopping list?>>

Normally i would say GZ (Gar Zeng) would be the spell of choice of a non-fire based target spell. Given that GZ, FS and CL are all facing an intended downtweak, is hard to recommend it until the tweak has happened and we can see how it is. But as a lower tier spell it should teach great at lower circles anyway.

Rehlyn


The strongbox just bounced out of the room near a low tunnel!

Should I be casting with a little target time as possible, or waiting for a fully target lock?

Basically, what folks are saying is, even though you need TM to circle, it's best to keep your defenses up to it as much as possible. This means you might have to slow down on learning TM and circling to do this.

My TM and defenses about less than 50 ranks, but I still have slow down on TM learning and circling. It's hard, but well worth it in the long run.

Circling is great, but focus on keeping defenses and weapons up.


Woodcubb of Ilithi

Reavers should be ideal if your defenses are good enough to manage them.

<<They don't lock me, as I've said. >>

Wow. I really need to learn to read ... sorry about that.

Gizella, village idiot

any luck with dusk ogres in haven tunnels?

-Durn

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Ok.. Aside from the fact that I'm REALLY Lazy and dun wanna go out to Ratha to fight sand sprites.....

Does anyone know of anything that will lock my TM with about 65 ranks? (That won't kill me immediately).

Reavers don't, Rockies don't (Yes I'm using GZ too.).. Something fairly local?



I have 64 TM rockies and cave bear both work it fine. What are your General magic skills?
here are my stats.

Primary Magic: 101 46% bewildering Harness Ability: 100 85% bewildering
Power Perceive: 114 01% perplexing Magical Devices: 95 37% thoughtful
Targeted Magic: 64 31% clear


Evasion: 42 00% clear Parry Ability: 50 97.20% clear
Shield Usage: 23 44% clear Light Chain: 44 22% clear
Heavy Chain: 33 48% clear Multi Opponent: 52 73% clear
Light Edged: 20 22% clear Medium Edged: 32 21% learning
Heavy Edged: 46 91% clear
Long Bow: 29 38% clear

And trolls and bear works wonderfulyl for me <shrug>

Celestica moves a stone mortar labeled "NotCelestiaa" to his right hand.
You tap a hollow ram's horn labeled "NotCelestica" that you are wearing.
* Celestiaa was just struck down!
* Celestica was just struck down!
* Celesi was just struck down!

I would try the uyns in Riverhaven, snowbeast in Shard then gargoyals after that. Once you capped gargs, come to Lang and learn in Peccs.

You can come to Theren now and try learning from vines and Mara's but swarms can get tight. Blood wolves would be great, but mana stinks.


Woodcubb of Ilithi

Consider also beisswurms by cave bears.

If you get bored there, hop into nearby warklins. They'll kill you but it will amuse me.

Tessaa

<<Also, you're not going to learn very well if you prep a GZ at low mana and cast it. The reason multi-shot spells teach so well is the concept of overkill - you are dealing more damage than the creature has vitality, so you learn more TM. Try using GZ at higher mana - I prep at 5, target, harness 5 mana 3 times, path focus damage, and cast. I learned in blood wolves even with terrible mana that way.>>


I would prove you wrong but i just dont have the energy right now.

That may be, Tessaa, but I don't have fire shard. And I'm just basing things on my experience. I will learn more TM from casting one 20 mana GZ than I will from casting four 5 mana GZs. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong in a general sense, but I am saying what works for me and what I have seen. Your mileage may vary.

And LINKZY? I dare you to prove me wrong about MY experience with a spell.

---

"It's amazing how much of a deterrent a big 9mm can be to a group of mimes, even evil ones."
-- Sir Anthony Marks, "One Enchanted Evening"

<<Previous GM posts have stated that there is no such thing as overkill. Once your target is dead, any additional damage/hits teach nothing.>>

Show me please.

Gizella

<<And LINKZY? I dare you to prove me wrong about MY experience with a spell.>>

ok, only because you called me out.

You begin to advance on a mottled westanuryn.
>dodge

But you are already dodging!
>tar

You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.
A mottled westanuryn suddenly darts to one side, then sits motionless.
>
You begin to weave mana lines into a target pattern around a mottled westanuryn.
>dodge

The mottled westanuryn begins to advance on you!
The mottled westanuryn is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
But you are already dodging!
>
You close to pole weapon range on a mottled westanuryn.
You stop a mottled westanuryn from advancing any farther.
>exp targ

The formation of the target pattern around a mottled westanuryn has completed.
A mottled westanuryn skitters into view, stinger poised.

Circle: 115

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Targeted Magic: 655 19.79% learning

Time Development Points: 485 Favors: 7 Deaths: 406
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
>
You close to melee range on a mottled westanuryn.
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
You manage to channel most of your energy into the spell. The rest is wasted.
Two blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
Its head snaps back reflexively.
The second blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
A mottled westanuryn throws both claws skywards as it collapses onto itself.
Roundtime: 1 second.

>exp targ


Circle: 115

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Targeted Magic: 655 19.79% thoughtful


1 35 prep GZ 1 shot kill went from learning to thoughtful


and here goes the min prep gz's

>exp targ


Circle: 115

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Targeted Magic: 655 19.92% learning

Time Development Points: 485 Favors: 7 Deaths: 406
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information
prep gz
>
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>cast

* Moving with powerful grace, a mottled westanuryn claws at you. You evade, moving out of the way.
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
Wisps of smoke rise into the air as its nose is scorched.
A mottled westanuryn gags and coughs as sparks chase each other around its neck in an electrifying dance.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
R>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Two blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its abdomen in an electrifying dance.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>
* Moving in with powerful grace, a mottled westanuryn claws at you. You evade, stepping aside in the nick of time.
[You're solidly balanced and in good position.]
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Two blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
The first blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
The second blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
R>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
The first blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
The second blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched back.
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its chest in an electrifying dance.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>
* Moving like a striking snake and under increasing pressure, a mottled westanuryn claws at you. You dodge, moving cleanly out of the way.
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
prep gz
R>
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
The first blast deflects off a mottled westanuryn's heavily plated hide!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched back.
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>
* Moving with powerful grace, a mottled westanuryn claws at you. You evade, stepping aside.
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its abdomen in an electrifying dance.
Wisps of smoke rise into the air as its nose is scorched.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
A mottled westanuryn recoils from the powerful shock to its throat.
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its back in an electrifying dance.
Roundtime: 1 second.
R>prep gz

Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
Icy blue frost crackles up your arms with the ferocity of a blizzard as you begin to prepare the Gar Zeng spell!
A mottled westanuryn freezes suddenly, the wiry hairs on its legs twitching almost imperceptibly.
>cast

You reach out toward a mottled westanuryn with your left hand.
Three blasts of electricity arc from you to it!
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its abdomen in an electrifying dance.
The mottled westanuryn is barely stunned!
Tendrils of smoke rise from its scorched chest.
A mottled westanuryn howls in pain as sparks chase each other across its abdomen in an electrifying dance.
A mottled westanuryn throws both claws skywards as it collapses onto itself.
Roundtime: 1 second.

R>exp targ


Circle: 115

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning
Targeted Magic: 655 20.18% muddled

i even pulsed in between checking my mindsate of TM so it should have been more like perplexing...


consider yourself proved wrong. oh and have a nice day :D

<<Amazing. That really says nothing about my experience with the spell, eh?

Thank you, come again.>>


amazing... i figured after you saw that i am working with probably 10 times the target magic you are you would see which method is better. BUT I GUESS YOU MISSED THE POINT.


PS ANY TIME U NEED MORE TRUTHS ABOUT OUR SPELLS AND OR GUILD JUST ASK AND I'LL GLADLY TAKE YOU IN AS MY APPRENTICE THX BAI

Significantly lower TM is taught well by alot of small casts aswell, 63 TM 115 PM I get alot more expereince from snaping GZ then fully preping. DO you want a log?


Celestica moves a stone mortar labeled "NotCelestiaa" to his right hand.
You tap a hollow ram's horn labeled "NotCelestica" that you are wearing.
* Celestiaa was just struck down!
* Celestica was just struck down!
* Celesi was just struck down!

Again, you are entirely missing the point. I don't care about efficiency. All I care about is learning as fast as possible using as little mana as possible. Once I move to a hunting ground where creatures don't swarm nearly as often, guess what? I'll change my method of TM learning. But in hunting grounds like blood wolves, vines/creepers, peccaries, and the northern section of Ker'Leor (when there's a lot of people), it doesn't really pay to milk every last bit of experience when there are plenty of other critters to kill.

I'm done repeating myself. If you're not going to read the entirety of my posts, I'm not going to waste time posting to try and make my point, which has already been made twice previously. If you want to argue more, I recommend you go back and actually read my earlier posts, particularily the two most recent ones.

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"It's amazing how much of a deterrent a big 9mm can be to a group of mimes, even evil ones."
-- Sir Anthony Marks, "One Enchanted Evening"

rofl

you beat me to it :(

>I don't care about efficiency.

>All I care about is learning as fast as possible using as little mana as possible

Translation: efficiency



ouch.....tssssssssssss

Celestica moves a stone mortar labeled "NotCelestiaa" to his right hand.
You tap a hollow ram's horn labeled "NotCelestica" that you are wearing.
* Celestiaa was just struck down!
* Celestica was just struck down!
* Celesi was just struck down!

There's more than one kind of efficiency. If you wish to continue on this vein, by all means, continue. But take it to conflicts.

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"It's amazing how much of a deterrent a big 9mm can be to a group of mimes, even evil ones."
-- Sir Anthony Marks, "One Enchanted Evening"