Gotcha. Grateful things were looked into figured out and match up.

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>This change was astonishingly beneficial to me - surprise bonus training points

Same! I was astounded to find 197/625 PTP/MTPs available to me after the update, which was enough to get me some CMan training and the Spirit Lore training that I've been wanting to grab for ages. I may fixskill some of them out, once the Paladin Circle changes come around, but for now, I'm super happy with what I was able to do with the bonus TPs. Thanks!

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~Paragon of Kuon
~Rose Guardian, House Sylvanfair

<I see that non-native lore costs were reduced for hybrid professions. Sorcerers can now get elemental and spiritual lores at 0/6 and 0/12. What I was confused by was that sorcerer lores (native) are also 0/6 and 0/12.>

Sorcerer's are unusual in that they're the only profession that has a set of lores specifically for their professional spell circle. Elemental and Spiritual spheres are native to them in the same way that spiritual and mental are to empaths (that empaths have access to the MjS circle rather then the MnM circle is a whole other can of worms).

Starchitin, the OG

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>Eh, considering lore effects are specific to spells, the name of the lore is mere semantics. Sorcerers don't have a 'special' lore just for them, they have a profession base spell list...just like every pure and semi.

Then you could say that the Sorcerer profession spell list is the only one that has unique usage of certain lores. All the other lores (I think) are shared between multiple different spell lists.

>Everything in this post should be self-evident if you think about it carefully, i.e. it is not an opinion.

This would be a great signature line.

>> Why does MOC have to cost more for pures?

10 Ranks in MOC is more than sufficient for most situations and anything over 5 ranks of MOC is more reasonable as a post cap goal for most pures.

Assuming you are looking at this skill for ball spell splash or open implosion, you don't really need that much training in MOC to make a dramatic impact. I still only have 10 ranks of MOC at 3x+ cap for my wizard because you really don't need any more than this for your spells.

With a modest 11 ranks in the appropriate elemental lore training for the ball spell being cast and only 5 Ranks in MOC training you will hit a minimum of 5 targets (or more) every cast. Also note that your maximum targets will always be constrained by 0-8 plus your lore bonus. So even with an appropriate elemental lore training of 92 ranks, you can still only hit a max of 0-8 + 14 targets so training in 14 ranks of MOC would insure you always hit the minimum 14 and training anything over 22 Ranks of MOC would be wasted. The range of 15 - 22 would still be somewhat constrained by the RNG regardless of any MOC training above 14 Ranks in this example.

The additional 1 opponent FoF benefit at 10 ranks is just a nice bonus as a pure.

I do note the wiki is potentially misleading in terms of how MOC works for ball spells. There is a magic section with virtually no information that then it feeds into a table that has nothing to do with MOC and magic. For a better understanding of how MOC plays into determining splash targets I would suggest looking here: https://gswiki.play.net/Bolt_spell#Ball_Spell

-- Robert

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I agree with you that it's expensive, but pures get quite a bit of bang for their buck from MOC. As others have commented above, getting rid of 'enough' FoF isn't that hard, and insofar as ball spells are concerned, you get pretty reliable hits on secondary targets with only a few ranks.

As it stands, a pure's need for MoC is not onerous, and you can usually have it wrapped up by level 50-70 without noticing it impact your training regime.