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ReplyA half-elven highwayman lunges forward at you with his reinforced shield and attempts a shield bash!
[Roll result: 186 (open d100: 83)]
A half-elven highwayman lashes at you with an expert shield bash and you flip through the air, landing on your head with a crash!
... 20 points of damage!
Your skull cracks in several places.
Nice breeze up there now.
You are stunned!
Roundtime: 13 sec.
Roundtime changed to 15 seconds.
So my last two deaths have been from this manuver. And I almost died again. How can I mitigate this?? 100% chance to get hit? What is going on here?
I have 42 ranks in CM, 21 ranks in survival, 101 ranks in perception. and very heavily crit padded armor?
xred's player
What's your PF? This is an SMR v1 type attack. Other details here:
https://gswiki.play.net/Standard_maneuver_roll
Doug
https://gswiki.play.net/Standard_maneuver_roll
Doug
Yea, PF is prolly the main thing that will help, though AGI/DEX enhansives or more training in CM would also help to a lesser extent.
I don't know what ASG armor you're in but, if it wouldn't hurt you too much elsewhere, dropping to a lower ASG would help with avoiding getting hit... though you'd prolly feel it more when you are hit (unfortunately, shield bash seems to like hitting the head more then other parts of the body).
Be glad those bandits aren't using spiked shields like tomb trolls use.... those HURT!
Starchitin, the OG
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
I don't know what ASG armor you're in but, if it wouldn't hurt you too much elsewhere, dropping to a lower ASG would help with avoiding getting hit... though you'd prolly feel it more when you are hit (unfortunately, shield bash seems to like hitting the head more then other parts of the body).
Be glad those bandits aren't using spiked shields like tomb trolls use.... those HURT!
Starchitin, the OG
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
It’s not a SMR.
You can defend it best if you can learn the cman or sman Shield Bash ranks.
Cman is available to Warrior, Rogue, Ranger, Bard, & Paladin.
https://gswiki.play.net/Shield_Bash
You can defend it best if you can learn the cman or sman Shield Bash ranks.
Cman is available to Warrior, Rogue, Ranger, Bard, & Paladin.
https://gswiki.play.net/Shield_Bash
Fundamentally, this is "exactly the same thing I was just raising hell about" with the Reim undead (75% or so of whom are physical profession, 100% of which do annoying fricking maneuvers).
Short version: learn the corresponding CMan itself. (This bring with the carry-along effect of "getting more CM ranks".)
Longer more diluted version: get more CM ranks (even without learning the specific CMan), and also get more PF and Perception.
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Big problem with the 'short' version is that in Reim, at least, they actually use five (5) different maneuvers, so you need to learn Throat Chop and Shield Bash and Sweep and Feint and Tackle and Head Bash to be well-defended.
And--I'm approaching it from the Bard side--I think it was Tackle was something I was locked out of: Fighter-only.
Short version: learn the corresponding CMan itself. (This bring with the carry-along effect of "getting more CM ranks".)
Longer more diluted version: get more CM ranks (even without learning the specific CMan), and also get more PF and Perception.
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Big problem with the 'short' version is that in Reim, at least, they actually use five (5) different maneuvers, so you need to learn Throat Chop and Shield Bash and Sweep and Feint and Tackle and Head Bash to be well-defended.
And--I'm approaching it from the Bard side--I think it was Tackle was something I was locked out of: Fighter-only.
The only effective tactic to stop getting hit so much is to learn shield bash ranks. (fighting from the ground used to work, but that tactic just got nerfed) Kill them first works for other critters, but bandits get first strikes and they can shield bash with them.
Padding or crush resistance on the head will save you from instant crit deaths, that clip would have been a crit death without your padding. If you've gone done the padding route just keep piling on the padding, but a helm fitted by an appropriately trained warrior will give quite a bit better protection than that padding, although it will halve the effectiveness of the main armor padding so you'd be more vulnerable to other damage types when wearing it. It might pay to get one just for bandits and locker it the rest of the time.
Race size seems quite important, but there's not a lot you can do about that (my dwarf gets slaughtered just like your clip, my giant sneers at triple open rolls and bashes them right back)
At cap, if you get shield points, training enough shield ranks to spend the points on bash is an extremely cost effective way to defend against it, even if you don't use a shield.
Padding or crush resistance on the head will save you from instant crit deaths, that clip would have been a crit death without your padding. If you've gone done the padding route just keep piling on the padding, but a helm fitted by an appropriately trained warrior will give quite a bit better protection than that padding, although it will halve the effectiveness of the main armor padding so you'd be more vulnerable to other damage types when wearing it. It might pay to get one just for bandits and locker it the rest of the time.
Race size seems quite important, but there's not a lot you can do about that (my dwarf gets slaughtered just like your clip, my giant sneers at triple open rolls and bashes them right back)
At cap, if you get shield points, training enough shield ranks to spend the points on bash is an extremely cost effective way to defend against it, even if you don't use a shield.
>Big problem with the 'short' version is that in Reim, at least, they actually use five (5) different maneuvers, so you need to learn Throat Chop and Shield Bash and Sweep and Feint and Tackle and Head Bash to be well-defended.
Hamstring and dirtkick too, shield charge as well as bash. Reim uses a very wide range of tricks. Plenty of stuff in there you'll barely if ever see in normal hunting.
There are more than enough pures and semis to annoy the squares, even if you blow them up too fast to notice and don't see the nasty tricks they have against weapon users because you are just using spells.
Hamstring and dirtkick too, shield charge as well as bash. Reim uses a very wide range of tricks. Plenty of stuff in there you'll barely if ever see in normal hunting.
There are more than enough pures and semis to annoy the squares, even if you blow them up too fast to notice and don't see the nasty tricks they have against weapon users because you are just using spells.
Probably anecdotal at best but...
One of the reasons that Faulkil (a wizard) wears doubles leathers vs. something lighter is because there was a period of time where things kept bashing his head in to the point of instant death (or where the ensuing 3 years of stun eventually resulted in death) and it was getting a bit old.
Advance forward many years - I really haven't had this issue since I made the conversion over to double leathers.
Yes, that means you will have a chance at casting spell failure as a result. A lot of people find this unacceptable! I'm very happy with the tradeoff.
-- Robert
Wex winks before saying, "Cravin' some winterberry ale? Head on over to White Haven!"
One of the reasons that Faulkil (a wizard) wears doubles leathers vs. something lighter is because there was a period of time where things kept bashing his head in to the point of instant death (or where the ensuing 3 years of stun eventually resulted in death) and it was getting a bit old.
Advance forward many years - I really haven't had this issue since I made the conversion over to double leathers.
Yes, that means you will have a chance at casting spell failure as a result. A lot of people find this unacceptable! I'm very happy with the tradeoff.
-- Robert
Wex winks before saying, "Cravin' some winterberry ale? Head on over to White Haven!"
Shield use itself will do virtually nothing if not absolutely nothing. You need ranks in shield bash, or crush resistance will turn the bash crit death into a bad stun. Get warrior fittings put in a helm.
Reim beasties, but not much else, use shield charge as well, so ranks in that too if you are doing a lot of Reim.
Reim beasties, but not much else, use shield charge as well, so ranks in that too if you are doing a lot of Reim.
