>>So say you don't get to the infinite threshold and only get 4 casts of a spell. Is there a time duration in which you must cast that spell or you lose your 4 banked casts? Or could I set up Haste and save them for emergencies?

Once you've cast 1750, you have 10 minutes of duration regardless of success (the spell ends prematurely if you've met your total number of allowed casts, though). If you miss the infinite threshold, there's no increase in duration. If you make the infinite threshold, you get an extra 1 minute per surplus 10 success margin.

>>Will there be some messaging that lets you know what you can do and for how long or do I have to figure that out on the fly?

Once you prepare an unknown spell, the messaging reflects whether you made the infinite threshold, have more than one (finite) cast or just one cast.

>>Could the following spells please be added to scrolls: Weapon Fire (915), Energy Maelstrom (710), Torment (718), Dark Catalyst (719), Camoflauge (608), Call Swarm (615), Spike Thorn (616), Divine Vengeance (1613), Empathic Link (1117), Stunning Shout (1008), Song of Unravelling (1013), Song of Depression (1015), Song of Rage (1016), and Immolation (519)?

I'll bring it up amongst the profession teams, but no promises.

>>Being able to find Msytic Focus and Spirit Guard on scrolls that will be infusable is a nice addition for sure. I do wonder how rare they will make them drop though.

Yes, it's a big reason why I'm so glad Estild was able to release this circle. :)

Scrolls generate thematically. Meaning, a scroll will be a "Cleric" scroll or a "Wizard" scroll w/ spells that just that profession could cast. We will now have "Arcane" scrolls. Spells get more rare as you go up in level, but higher level spells are more likely to drop from higher level creatures.

>>I'm already drooling on his tome for sure...any hints Oscuro # of uses per day?

One.

>>It would be nice if 1750 had amazing unique effects, like being able to cast certain non-treasure dropped spells.

This was discussed at length during its design and we settled on the existing design to avoid profession-infringement. The best bet to adding spells to the list 1750 will cast is to lobby for more spells to get added to the scrolls distributed by the treasure system as SARDINUS did above.

>>It almost makes you wish there was an Arcane Lore that you could get via enhancive items which gives you more perks via the Arcane Circle.

Just as Fash'lo'nae's Gift's success is based off the activation roll, I think you'll find that Arcane Symbols and/or Magic Item Use will be the main skill factors in Arcane spells. So, it's sorta your Arcane Lore.

>>This opens 1750 up to semis, squares, half- or single-trained capped pures, and non-capped pures. Spells above 10 work as described.

The activation formula was designed to only reward characters with minimally 100 ranks of AS/MIU. The Arcane Circle is primarily meant to be a boon to people who focus heavily on those two skills. Lower level spells in the circle will not have as high a requirement for success as 1750, however.

>>Allow the spell to be found on magical items (If not available in that form already).

It can be.

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>>Just to clarify, for durations based on AS/MIU ranks, will this take BOTH into account? So if I had 202 ranks of each, that would count as 404 ranks for the duration?

It uses the method of activation. So if you INVOKE, it uses AS. If you use another activator, it uses MIU.

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<<Thanks for the info, Missoni. Did the Item/Scroll you found only have one invocation/use of the spell?>>

It's a scroll. A wave of odeir'cos showed very many charges.

>We'd love it, but, again, it doesn't make 1750 any more attractive vs. any other scroll.

We? We who? I think it's a pretty neat new spell and look forward to playing around with it.

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You know, I just thought of something.

Empaths, and especially clerics, really are blessed with armor. They pay less per rank, and also need fewer ranks to wear thicker armor for less hinderance.

Hahahaha, but that is going to bite them in the butt here.

If they're in brig, which many of them are, especially clerics, what happens when they're trained to wear brig for no hinderance for the 300s and they decide to use 1750 to cast 910, or even 410. Or heck, the rogue or semi with 506.

Now, considering that this negative affects clerics, empaths, and semis, I expect this "bug" to be fixed.


.... actually it appears they already fixed it. Sly one there Oscuro, didn't even make an announcement.

quack quack quack quack, there goes that duck again.

So ya... apparently you no longer get spell hinderance of the circle from which the spell is from when casting through a scroll.

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>We? We who? I think it's a pretty neat new spell and look forward to playing around with it.

Alexandrite daggers are fun to play with too.

We are sorcerers. Yes, I was speaking for my profession.


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An empath with 35 ranks in armor training can cast major elemental spells at 7% hinderance.

A wizard trying to do the same thing would be off the chart with hinderance.


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Why wouldn't armor hindrance apply like usual? If you wear brigandine and cast Haste (506) through the use of 1750, you still use the 500s circle hindrance. These conspiracy theories are really getting old.


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I admit it, I messed up, it was cuiriboulli not brig. I made a mistake.

>Why wouldn't armor hindrance apply like usual? If you wear brigandine and cast Haste (506) through the use of 1750, you still use the 500s circle hindrance.

I'm glad to see you feel that way Oscuro.


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One thing about the hindrance, however, is that no matter how poorly trained you are, the hindrance will not exceed the maximum hindrance for that armor.

For brig, that's 28%. Yeah, that's a lot, but I have tried hunting with 14% as a spell caster, and that was annoying but not impossible. 28% would probably be beyond my personal tolerance level for hindrance, and even more so for something with limited casting ability such as 1750.

But it's not as if being undertrained would send your hindrance into the 90% range.

Speaking of which, what are the armor hindrance values for each armor AsG, and what is the max hindrance?

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Of course it's going to stick; do you honestly think that anyone actually wants to fiddle around typing all those damn apostrophes? Remember whether it's "AE" or "EA"? <snort>

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Now, about that whole "1008/Banshee's Wail" situation....

<<Of course it's going to stick; do you honestly think that anyone actually wants to fiddle around typing all those damn apostrophes? Remember whether it's "AE" or "EA"? <snort>

Macros for the win! hehe


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So what?

The system isn't meant for them.

Ya have to watch out for us wizards that like brig, as well!

Wait. . . what's that spell that negates hindrance again?!

Doug, liking what he sees.

Assuming this spell can be found on a scroll. And assuming that I'd have the ability to invoke such a spell.
Would this mean that I could prep and cast any spell? (I.E. Fire Spirit, Major Fire, etc) for that ten minutes, as a warrior? (who incidentally is heavily trained in Magic Item Use as well as Arcane Symbols.) Is there a mana cost involved in this process?

A square could get close ("if they wanted to"), I think.

With enhancives, s/he would have 151 ranks. Add in a workshop bonus (there was one, right?), and... roll high?


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Going by Fleurs numbers, a capped square with 101 ranks in AS (still cheaper than 10 spells!) and good stats would just barely be able to hit unlimited casts of level 5 spells, with a heckuva roll. Toss some enhancives (a lot of them) on, and you could get to about a 40% chance for unlimited level 6.

It's just enough to offer a tantalizing chance for amusement.

-Keleborrn.

You can cast anything normally found on a scroll, ScrollWarrior, but it also takes mana PER CAST.

Good change, Oscuro. This gives the spell atleast a minor amount of use for spelling up. Could the ability to cast more than 1 different kind of spell PLEASE be looked at as well? The ability to cast a number of spells within the confines of 1750's limitations would bring the spell at right about "worthwhile" status, while not coming anywhere NEAR overpowered.

>Good change, Oscuro. This gives the spell atleast a minor amount of use for spelling up. Could the ability to cast more than 1 different kind of spell PLEASE be looked at as well? The ability to cast a number of spells within the confines of 1750's limitations would bring the spell at right about "worthwhile" status, while not coming anywhere NEAR overpowered.

Perhaps, Evarin, a reasonable compromise (assuming we're not going to get access to restricted spells)

Is have 1750 allow you to access a single circle. You can cast any spell from that circle during the 10 minute duration.

This would, of course, change everything, down to the activation formula. Obviously they couldn't allow you to cast your first spell as 901 to establish the 10 minutes, then cast 910, 913, etc all you want. Unless what they did was define it as, cast any spell from the circle at the level of the spell you used for activation or LOWER. That would work fine I think. So if you cast for 913 originally, you could cast 910 as well.

But it is an idea, somewhere between using it to cast 1 spell, and using it to cast all spells once, you would have to choose a circle.

And it makes sense from an IC perspective too, one spell allowing you access to multiple spell circles would seem... difficult. For one spell to simultaneously access disparate circles... that'd seem drastically powerful from an IC perspective. But a spell that can pierce the knowledge from one circle at a time, a little easier to understand from within our magical system.




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