If you are singing, then how can you hide? I just popped in to see what this discussion is about, but it seems to me that the HIDE verb should go with STOP SINGING automatically.
Re: Bards and Hiding on 12/24/2010 12:40 PM CST
Re: Bards and Hiding on 12/28/2010 07:50 PM CST
Re: Bards and Hiding on 01/07/2011 07:25 PM CST
I thought bard songs were only active while singing. So, you are saying the spell wears off after the bard has stopped singing. So, why would he sing his spells?
But, hiding during specific non-singing intervals is a stretch for me to comprehend in the world of gemstone. It's not like you have hush mode or breaths between verses.
Bards can drink while singing, don't think it doesn't happen! A singer pauses variously, anyway and you can do a lot with magic, here.
But, hiding during specific non-singing intervals is a stretch for me to comprehend in the world of gemstone. It's not like you have hush mode or breaths between verses.
Bards can drink while singing, don't think it doesn't happen! A singer pauses variously, anyway and you can do a lot with magic, here.
Re: Bards and Hiding on 01/08/2011 04:45 PM CST
Several things here..
The point I was making and has been brought up in the past is that a bard sings a verse and that gets his spellsongs active until the renewal interval thus he can do whatever in between.
The second thing however, is something that Tsoran brought up a long time ago, I think back in the switch to GS4. Realism has limits in games for the sake of enjoyment. He used pregnancy as a good example, but the basic point is, eventually you have to realize this is a game and that people play it for fun, and that bards being able to hide while singing does not provide them so much power as to unbalance the game in favor of them and still provides the opportunity for the players to enjoy the game and playing their character. If oyu want to go with realism, how can I hide when apparently my character is glowing with brilliant luminesce, or has blue glows giving him away, or bright white lights, or half a dozen other spell effects going on. The point is that one of two things happen, either there is more assumed to be happening in the world than we as players(Not characters) are aware of that allow for this, or realism is suspended for the fun of the player.
In as far as the actual mechanics, you actually can STOP SINGING just fine and your songs will continue to remain active, intentionally, until your renewal cycle(One slight exception is Song of Power, but even that is not a full exception due to fine print). At the renewal cycle you must either sing your song again or you lose all your spells. Actually there is a bit more to it than that as renewing has a different cost to singing it initially in most cases, and you have things like MSP, etc. to calculate, on top of your song renewal cycles, and how actually singing a song when others are already active fits into that. Another example is in as far as the group mechanics to bard songs, where people can go elsewhere out of the bard's group and still have all the effects until the next renewal cycle.
The main thing auto-renewing does, is provide a way so that every 6 minutes give or take depending on the bard, you are not manually typing RENEW ALL. Whether you are typing this manually, or depending on the auto-renew cycle, you will be pulled from hiding, this is no different from any other spell in any other profession. It does not however mean that a bard is constantly singing non-stop. There are many examples of mechanics I can provide to make that point.
The point I was making and has been brought up in the past is that a bard sings a verse and that gets his spellsongs active until the renewal interval thus he can do whatever in between.
The second thing however, is something that Tsoran brought up a long time ago, I think back in the switch to GS4. Realism has limits in games for the sake of enjoyment. He used pregnancy as a good example, but the basic point is, eventually you have to realize this is a game and that people play it for fun, and that bards being able to hide while singing does not provide them so much power as to unbalance the game in favor of them and still provides the opportunity for the players to enjoy the game and playing their character. If oyu want to go with realism, how can I hide when apparently my character is glowing with brilliant luminesce, or has blue glows giving him away, or bright white lights, or half a dozen other spell effects going on. The point is that one of two things happen, either there is more assumed to be happening in the world than we as players(Not characters) are aware of that allow for this, or realism is suspended for the fun of the player.
In as far as the actual mechanics, you actually can STOP SINGING just fine and your songs will continue to remain active, intentionally, until your renewal cycle(One slight exception is Song of Power, but even that is not a full exception due to fine print). At the renewal cycle you must either sing your song again or you lose all your spells. Actually there is a bit more to it than that as renewing has a different cost to singing it initially in most cases, and you have things like MSP, etc. to calculate, on top of your song renewal cycles, and how actually singing a song when others are already active fits into that. Another example is in as far as the group mechanics to bard songs, where people can go elsewhere out of the bard's group and still have all the effects until the next renewal cycle.
The main thing auto-renewing does, is provide a way so that every 6 minutes give or take depending on the bard, you are not manually typing RENEW ALL. Whether you are typing this manually, or depending on the auto-renew cycle, you will be pulled from hiding, this is no different from any other spell in any other profession. It does not however mean that a bard is constantly singing non-stop. There are many examples of mechanics I can provide to make that point.