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Maybe it's just me, and I have an isolated request on this but is there anyway that we could make it so empaths don't just auto-spam heal you when your dead or make it so that demeanor affects their ability to do so. I find it ridiculous that people can opt to unlink from a cleric if they so choose to get someone more aligned to their deity or RP choice but empaths can just sit there and do whatever without even asking if it's wanted or warranted. For some, you don't even get the option of saying yes or no and they essentially take your bodily autonomy away from you from an RP perspective.
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<they essentially take your bodily autonomy away from you from an RP perspective.>
<Not when you're dead which is plain stupid.>
You're dead. That you can perform any kind of actions at all in character is only possible because the spirits of adventurers (and no one else) are somehow substantial enough to make themselves heard. It's not like we can start telling the doctor to stop violating us IRL while laying on the autopsy table....
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
<Not when you're dead which is plain stupid.>
You're dead. That you can perform any kind of actions at all in character is only possible because the spirits of adventurers (and no one else) are somehow substantial enough to make themselves heard. It's not like we can start telling the doctor to stop violating us IRL while laying on the autopsy table....
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
>>You're dead. That you can perform any kind of actions at all in character is only possible because the spirits of adventurers (and no one else) are somehow substantial enough to make themselves heard. It's not like we can start telling the doctor to stop violating us IRL while laying on the autopsy table....
And yet, we can unlink from a cleric if we want to to keep that cleric from raising us. We can opt to depart instead. So why are we blocked from telling an empath to keep their hands off us when dead?
#bardlife
And yet, we can unlink from a cleric if we want to to keep that cleric from raising us. We can opt to depart instead. So why are we blocked from telling an empath to keep their hands off us when dead?
#bardlife
>>My guess would be that unlinking is a spiritual action not constrained by the physical limitations of corporeal bodies. If you say out loud, "Keep your hands off me you damn dirty ape." and the Empath ignores you and heals you regardless, then that is a different matter.
Agreed, but in this matter, I'm speaking specifically of bot empaths or basically the ones who sit in places like TSC only and do nothing but jump on bodies the minutes they're brought in without so much as a word. What can be done to prevent them from being, well, vultures? Maybe I don't like you because you're half-krol and I want an Elven healer. Nothing is stopping that empath, mechanically, from healing you and the "bots" will not acknowledge your refusal of their aid.
#bardlife
Agreed, but in this matter, I'm speaking specifically of bot empaths or basically the ones who sit in places like TSC only and do nothing but jump on bodies the minutes they're brought in without so much as a word. What can be done to prevent them from being, well, vultures? Maybe I don't like you because you're half-krol and I want an Elven healer. Nothing is stopping that empath, mechanically, from healing you and the "bots" will not acknowledge your refusal of their aid.
#bardlife
If they're afk bot healing, you could report them. If they're not afk but vulture healing, announce them to the room and hope they police themselves? I know it is lame but warn interact could also be used if they're overly persistent and you want zero to do with them I guess. It's definitely a crap situation.
>>If they're afk bot healing, you could report them. If they're not afk but vulture healing, announce them to the room and hope they police themselves? I know it is lame but warn interact could also be used if they're overly persistent and you want zero to do with them I guess. It's definitely a crap situation.
These are the more obvious solutions and have already been put in place, but that is a temporary fix for a longterm problem. I'm noticing more and more that, especially in higher populated areas, that the expectation for some empaths is to be "efficient" and when a character runs in, all injuries are taken so that character can run back out to fight. And I'm not even talking about the AFK scripters, I'm talking about seriously sitting in the room, at the keyboard, script healing but attentive. The insta-heal behavior continues to be encouraged and essentially destroys the option to even RP rejection. And it has happened in the past when called out in the central location, not only does the empath behave dismissively with a lacksidaisical attitude of indifference to their behavior, those who continue to encourage this type of healing further downplay any sort of RP interaction or choices. It's about 50/50 here in response.
Perhaps my expectations for people are too high and I would hope that there is a general sentiment that you would WANT to RP these situations, build a rapport with someone, whatever. Instead, it comes down to people wanting to get the EXP and screw the consequences.
So maybe it's time to cut them off from this ability. Demeanor isn't working unless you're living. Make demeanor work when dead or make it so that, like a cleric, when you're dead they have to lay hands on you or link or something, so you have the ability to say "No, don't touch me. I'd rather eat herbs" or whatever. Yes, I know it's an unpopular opinion, but we already have the mechanics in place for F2P.
#bardlife
These are the more obvious solutions and have already been put in place, but that is a temporary fix for a longterm problem. I'm noticing more and more that, especially in higher populated areas, that the expectation for some empaths is to be "efficient" and when a character runs in, all injuries are taken so that character can run back out to fight. And I'm not even talking about the AFK scripters, I'm talking about seriously sitting in the room, at the keyboard, script healing but attentive. The insta-heal behavior continues to be encouraged and essentially destroys the option to even RP rejection. And it has happened in the past when called out in the central location, not only does the empath behave dismissively with a lacksidaisical attitude of indifference to their behavior, those who continue to encourage this type of healing further downplay any sort of RP interaction or choices. It's about 50/50 here in response.
Perhaps my expectations for people are too high and I would hope that there is a general sentiment that you would WANT to RP these situations, build a rapport with someone, whatever. Instead, it comes down to people wanting to get the EXP and screw the consequences.
So maybe it's time to cut them off from this ability. Demeanor isn't working unless you're living. Make demeanor work when dead or make it so that, like a cleric, when you're dead they have to lay hands on you or link or something, so you have the ability to say "No, don't touch me. I'd rather eat herbs" or whatever. Yes, I know it's an unpopular opinion, but we already have the mechanics in place for F2P.
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Interesting idea about requiring a link in order to heal a body. I always like things to make sense in the game world, and the healing spells of an empath are spiritual but...is the TRANSFER ability spiritual? Is it mental? If it's mental than how do you even take the wounds from a corpse?
Ages-old complaint that remains unresolved. Perhaps just institute a "flag refusehealing" and forgo the mangling of logic?
Naamit was healed while dead last night. As far as I can tell, she made a new adversary in the process. I don't think there will be any mending of the relationship due to the healer's insistence that she would continue the behavior.
I find it disappointing.
Naamit was healed while dead last night. As far as I can tell, she made a new adversary in the process. I don't think there will be any mending of the relationship due to the healer's insistence that she would continue the behavior.
I find it disappointing.
> Seems odd to me to request an OOC mechanic to control desired Roleplay. .. You're "dead." You have very little control over what happens. And that's okay! ~Avaia
The alternative is probably going to be a dead empath and a seriously angry player behind that PC. Desired roleplay? Questionable.
The alternative is probably going to be a dead empath and a seriously angry player behind that PC. Desired roleplay? Questionable.
I think telling an Empath that if they heal your corpse you'll kill them is fine, consent wise. They knowingly make the choice to heal you. You can also depart/Sign of Hopelessness if you wish to avoid being poked and prodded while dead.
!>tell child to be quiet
The child cries, "I don't wanna!"
!>tell child to be quiet
The child cries, "I don't wanna!"
> The alternative is probably going to be a dead empath and a seriously angry player behind that PC. Desired roleplay? Questionable.
By "desired roleplay" I meant on the part of the player who is thinking "I don't want anyone to heal me unless I say it's ok."
If a character does do it and you tell them that if they do it again you will kill them, then they do it again and you kill them... they have only themselves to blame, don't you think?
Avaia, player of
By "desired roleplay" I meant on the part of the player who is thinking "I don't want anyone to heal me unless I say it's ok."
If a character does do it and you tell them that if they do it again you will kill them, then they do it again and you kill them... they have only themselves to blame, don't you think?
Avaia, player of
>If a character does do it and you tell them that if they do it again you will kill them, then they do it again and you kill them... they have only themselves to blame, don't you think? ~Avaia
Yes. Given the current state of the mechanics, we'll just have to see if that's how it ends up playing out!
Yes. Given the current state of the mechanics, we'll just have to see if that's how it ends up playing out!
>> Setting your demeanor to cold prevents a number of character interactions. Does it also prevent healing?
It does. It may also work when you are dead (I don't recall).
-- Robert
You gesture at a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
The scream of tortured metal echoes around you as the lightning bolt strikes a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
It does. It may also work when you are dead (I don't recall).
-- Robert
You gesture at a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
The scream of tortured metal echoes around you as the lightning bolt strikes a colossal glaes-covered meteor.
> Interesting idea about requiring a link in order to heal a body. I always like things to make sense in the game world, and the healing spells of an empath are spiritual but...is the TRANSFER ability spiritual? Is it mental? If it's mental than how do you even take the wounds from a corpse?
The lore is... inconsistent at best, but overall "mental magic" refers to a source of magical power (self-discipline and personal charisma), not its effect. A mentalist asserts their own reality upon the world, in a similar way as the gods do but on a much smaller scale.
As far as the whole dispute about whether a flag is necessary, I feel that conflict is in-character and flags are out-of-character, and the presence of hostility is better than the absence of interaction.
The lore is... inconsistent at best, but overall "mental magic" refers to a source of magical power (self-discipline and personal charisma), not its effect. A mentalist asserts their own reality upon the world, in a similar way as the gods do but on a much smaller scale.
As far as the whole dispute about whether a flag is necessary, I feel that conflict is in-character and flags are out-of-character, and the presence of hostility is better than the absence of interaction.
The linking mechanic for healing is already in place with F2Ps. I thought I remembered hearing something about that coming in to play for all empaths at some point, but without the time delay.
I think it would be hilarious if we get some kind of confirmation that popped up asking if the healing was, for lack of a better word, consensual. If not, no xp for you, Botpath!
I think it would be hilarious if we get some kind of confirmation that popped up asking if the healing was, for lack of a better word, consensual. If not, no xp for you, Botpath!
Make linking a new requirement for all, but with a short 3 sec wait for regular accounts and 10 sec for F2P. The target PC can unlink at any time if they choose, which gives both the empath AND the target a 30 sec cooldown (no RT, just cooldown from linking again). If the target is dead, these numbers might be greater.
