Neat, where was the property located?


Olivier/Chivalrous

---Proud inventor of the causality destroying Droit ballista---

A lucky person found the item today and noticed what it was... so... consider the property redeemed!

I'm thrilled to hear it -- I've been wondering whether one of the plated boxes I've thrown in a locker recently might have had the deed in it. Very low probability, of course, but the thought would have kept nagging at me until the deed was found.

Gratz to whomever has it!

According to the person who found it, who chatted on ;lnet soon after, it was some sort of coin. I don't remember exactly--"wide gold coin" I think. And it had the information of how to redeem written on it.

Ug. I hope it wasn't actually a "wide gold coin", because that's very similar to a "dull gold coin", which is a common treasure system drop which most people consider to be useless and merely pawnshop fodder.

No wonder the first guy who found it just tried to pawn it.

You see a gold coin ingame and you're going to think it is trash? Only other mass gold coin out there are the arcane decoy ones.


The Nalfein Kitten

>Only other mass gold coin out there are the arcane decoy ones.

Which are mostly pawnshop fodder.

>That depends on what you hunt. Hunt something that dispells (or bandits), and arcane decoy is quite nice

Hence, I call them "mostly pawnshop fodder".

I would bet money that more of those things are trashed or pawned than are kept and used.

That is my primary reasoning for thinking they should not have made such a rare and valuable item so similar.

>My primary thinking is that people should look at things before throwing them away. But hey, maybe that's just me... <WELCHA>

Agreed, to an extent. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that someone is going to actually type >LOOK [item] for every item they pick up or find in a box, if that item is highly similar to a common junk item.

If you saw "a crooked nail" in a box, would you LOOK at it, or register it as junk? The common junk item is "a bent nail".

How about "a cracked brick", very similar to "a chipped brick"?

And so on.

Is it a horrible transgression that the item was made so similar to another common, low-value item? No, it isn't. But I don't think anyone should be surprised that it slipped through the cracks a few times, and since that is generally considered A Bad Thing(tm), I think it'd be a good idea to make such items stand out a little more in the future. They don't have to be big and flashy in an in-game sense, but it'd be nice if some meta-knowledge of the game environment were applied when choosing the descriptions for such things.

I'm frankly surprised that it wasn't flagged as either too valuable to sell, or too valuable to drop. If I found an item that was either of those things, I'd sure as heck inspect it quite carefully to figure out why.

>You're comparing true junk of no value to something that has a use and value at he pawnshop. There is a difference.

Not always. Dull gold coins, blue crystals, heavy quartz orbs, most wands...all pawnshop fodder to me, and many others. The point is, it resembled a known item that is often sold without a second thought, regardless of whether or not it's literally junk or just pawnshop fodder.

If it had been "a wide gold doubloon", that would have stood out more. Or, y'know, something a little more logical as the deed to a property.

Even if it resembled a scroll, at least people read those before deciding to toss them.

Contrarian thinking ahead.

And thus, the mystery of the lands deteriorates a bit more.

I really cannot find it in me to agree with the position that gold+coin has already been used and therefore shouldn't ever be used again.

What ever happened to the general curious nature of us all?

Doug

The coin was "a large copper coin" for reference.

I realize that the private properties will always stir debate, regardless of release method.

As for the choice of the item type -- I announced pretty clearly, in the main announcements folder even, that the items would be in the feeders. I never said what they would look like. Part of the treasure system when it comes to the unique items is that you do need to look at your items from time to time. I'm not saying that all of the items you see are going to be awesome spectacular... but when it's been clearly announced, and you know there's something big hanging around in the feeders... you should look at what you take out of your boxes!

(That's also why I was keeping you guys up to date with whether or not the property items were found -- so that you weren't left hanging.)

As I mentioned to a player who emailed -- there will be more properties released this year. Some will be through the regular methods of auction &/or raffle. Some will be released in less seasoned methods. Either which way, it always behooves you to pay at least a modicum of attention (I'm not talking about crazy detail... I'm just talking about paying attention when it's been clearly stated that something's up!) to your surroundings and the items your characters interact with because... you just never know.

~Kaikala

Yeah, the discussion sort of hinged on it being made of gold and then possibly being ignored. Since I've never seen a copper coin before, in game, I would've at least been curious about the item enough to look at it.

~Galenok

"The coin was "a large copper coin" for reference." -- Kaikala

The only reason it had this description was because when it went through the treasure feeder, the GMs got an alert message that the penny had dropped.

Ba-dum-bump.

<< I really cannot find it in me to agree with the position that gold+coin has already been used and therefore shouldn't ever be used again. >>

<< What ever happened to the general curious nature of us all? - Doug >>

We started playing a game where every table leg is trash. To create a table leg that is in actuality a 10x runestaff with +25 ranks of harness power and spell aim is just insulting. When people look in the box, they're just going to see trash and no one is going to think "Hmm. This might be the one in a million table leg of power."

When the game is designed for certain things to be junk, nothing special should look like that junk or even very similar to that junk. Now, if they create an automated system by which junk items can often be special, THEN you will have a good point.

Josh

So where was the property? If it was the Illistim apt I'm going to be so sad.

PHEW. Thanks for the reply.

I hear ya, Josh. But then I return with the question -- how many of those table legs may actually have been a table leg of phenomenal cosmic power? I know none of the ones I find are. ;(

However, your point is accurate only if there is a change to this style. But I'm driven by a single post, probably made sometime in the late 90's, that from time to time gets referenced.

It has to do with a GM bemoaning the fact that so many wonderful items are left undiscovered, on the ground, laying around, trashed with boxes, etc.

This was a manifestation of that in my personal view. And yes -- I'm still curious after all these years. Still haven't found that table leg of power just yet -- but I will always look.


Doug

The property that was picked up here was the "Garden Cottage", located in the Landing. The other property that was picked up way early in the feeder rush was the "Talon Redoubt" property, located up by Pinefar.

I'll get a list up someday... just not today, sorry ;)

~Kaikala

Are both properties still in the feeder in Plat or have either of them been found?

I know our treasure doesn't move as quickly, so I'm hoping they're still waiting for someone to find them.

~~k

<<Both of the properties in Plat are still in the feeders -- your feeder rates weren't turned up while Prime's were, so I definitely did not and do not expect to see those found until the summer. I will definitely keep the Plat folks updated (probably via the Plat boards) when the rates are turned up once we hit June.>>

I love posts like these that give little tidbits.


You don't expect it to hit until summer... Does that mean there is some sort of "countdown" to pop special items?

Yeah right now in Platinum the chance the deeds will drop is exceedingly small (along with any other items put in the manual feeder by GM's). The Frenzy levels mean that chance has greatly increased in Prime and Platinum's turn will come soon.