>>Yeah, I know, we have that whoosy child screaming in town, alerting everyone to our mistake and that's considered a population we could be endangering. But I think that's kind of a bogus reason why someone doesn't address the code and make it better for us locksmiths that fumble on occasion.

If you're worried about fumbling, take a box outside of the justice zone and do your work; it's not a code issue in the least. Getting past traps isn't meant to be a safe and happy danger-free thing. If you want that, learn 125 and exploit that 'feature' of the spell.

>>I so rarely blow a trap, I really have no clue.

Judging by this statement, it's really not that much of an issue in the grand scheme of things. Fumbles happen, but they're rare. Couple that with the fumble-recovery AND the collection of non-public-endangering traps, I'd wager it's even that much less of an issue.

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>>>If you're worried about fumbling, take a box outside of the justice zone and do your work; it's not a code issue in the least. Getting past traps isn't meant to be a safe and happy danger-free thing. If you want that, learn 125 and exploit that 'feature' of the spell. ~The L behind the Laphrael aka BOULEW

Thank you for your suggestions.

>>I so rarely blow a trap, I really have no clue. ~Mua

>>>Judging by this statement, it's really not that much of an issue in the grand scheme of things. Fumbles happen, but they're rare. Couple that with the fumble-recovery AND the collection of non-public-endangering traps, I'd wager it's even that much less of an issue.

Thank you for your comments.

>>>I don't really think it's a bogus reason. It's a town. Whether there's an explicit NPC around or not, there are people all over the town most of the time. ~Greminty

Thank you for your comments and viewpoint.

~Lori aka Horsefreak (One of the Many)

I'll note that I've seen a scales trap kill someone from up to 4 rooms away. So, the safety radius isn't always what you think it is.


- Metadi

You playfully inquire, "Why hae an edge, when ye can hae a sledge?"

>>>public endangerment cannot be dismissed, only injuries/deaths/lighter pockets that have been accused can be dismissed....in other words, the offense has to have been against a PC for that PC to dismiss it ~ROLFARD

Ok, gotcha. Thanks for the insight.

I think I'm gonna start beating up on snot-nosed whiney kids in Elanthia. I know, I'll run around "THUMP"ing them in their noggin.

Naw, I'm talkin'/typin' smack.

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>>>I'll note that I've seen a scales trap kill someone from up to 4 rooms away. So, the safety radius isn't always what you think it is. ~Metadi

Whoa, srsly?

So even in a private house, not the neighborhood ones, a scale could flare out past the arch?

Just wow.

If that's the case, a scale could flare back into a town gate, if you simply stepped outside of it and did not wander a few rooms away from it.

For that matter, a scale could flare into another table.

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>>>Is it illegal though? Is the assault treated as taking place at the location of the smith, or the location of the corpse? ~RATHBONER

Very good question. I think if you get public endangerment, it doesn't matter if you got a PC in the flub. I think the charge would stick, because the NPC crowd is the primary reason you got it.

~Lori aka Horsefreak (One of the Many)

>>>Very good question. I think if you get public endangerment, it doesn't matter if you got a PC in the flub. I think the charge would stick, because the NPC crowd is the primary reason you got it. ~Me

>>>There is actually a third location. The location of the box. Consider this one. Smith picks box for Customer in town, hands box to Customer and runs out of town. Customer opens box, which happens to have a scale trap that Smith didn't disarm on it. ~RATHBONER

>>>Flechettes fly out of town, killing Victim, Customer is injured but survives.

>>>Who, if anyone, gets an EPS charge automatically?
>>>Who, if anyone, gets a murder charge automatically?
>>>Who, if anyone, can be accused by whom of assault?

Oh right, they never really did answer us on that one years ago when we inquired did they?

I see the real problem with this discussion though.

They (offsite GMs) aren't really paid diddly (if anything at all) to do this for us. So as a result, they can't devote as much time as needed to really work the kinks out of things like your above.

I think the fact that they do this as a labor of love for us (and their love for the game, desire to improve it) is just so wonderful.

But the root of all this is how the head honcho runs it. I think it is VERY WRONG.

If all the offsite GMs stopped doing this for SIMU at once, then he'd have to rethink the process.

We all know the argument. We've all discussed this through the years.

So my thoughts are that things like the endangerment charge, who holds the box when it goes off can't really be addressed because they (offsite GMs) have a lot on their plate and do this on their own time. So that means, they can only devote so much to this game. And that means that they'll hit the primary problems first and the rest of everything else is back-burnered, possibly never seeing a solution.

Not that I think that this particular issue needs an absolute solution. It all works fine. I can go elsewhere with a really dangerous trap and if I goof up (forget that I just picked a scales and opened it without disarming it) well, I'll pay the piper for the mistake.

I'd like to shut the kid, crowd (NPCs) up, but meh, it's how the system works.

Deep down, I'd really rather see them receive a fair wage for their time and skills. If they did, then perhaps I'd be arguing more heavily against the NPC crowd and the charge of endangermenet.

~Lori aka Horsefreak (One of the Many)

>>>not sure if that was clear in the last response ~ROLFARD, the informed

Whoops, looks like I missed that part in your post. My bad.

So, I wonder if there is a timer on that sort of thing.

Locksmith get's whapped with a murder or endangering public safety charge six months after the fact .... lotsa fun!

There probably is a timer on it. They're usually fair about such things.

~Lori aka Horsefreak (One of the Many)

pretty sure that scales trapped boxes RELOCK if you don't disarm them succesfully or leave them alone long enough, but i'm not about to test this theory tonight...

Scales traps don't relock after you fail a disarm attempt. And I haven't heard of any relocking over a prolonged period of time but I don't think anyone has ever tried it either.

>When I returned my attention back to the screen, I noted that Horsefreak had sucessfully picked the box and whoops, between those moments, yup, I had totally forgotten that it needed disarming. <insert demented chuckle>

Several of the traps are designed to catch people out like this. The spheres are another one. Why have I got that lockpick in my hand? It must be because I was about to pick the lock ... BANG.

I love those traps too, even though I despise them. Sure, every now and then the oddball fumble happens on a trap close enough to the max to set it off, but that's rarer than when my brain just short circuits and I set off a scale or sphere trap.

Kudos to whichever rogue guru long gone (Stealth, me thinks) who devised them. They keep picking lively even ten years later.

The hysterical thing is I only bring in Koldeen to pick boxes for a friend these days, and when doing so, we BOTH check for scales.

If I detect a scales trap, I say "Sscales!". She says "Scales!", and then we both know about the trap, in case I forget. And even with two brains trying to not set off that bloody mess, we still manage to both forget about the box and perforate Tsoran's nicely decorated study.

Ildran and Talerand are separate people. Taelrand was an onsite GM. Ildran is offsite.

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>Ildran and Talerand are separate people. Taelrand was an onsite GM. Ildran is offsite.

Taelrand started as a regular offsite GM and then got hired, yep. I took over Rogues from him shortly after that, since he had a lot of stuff to do onsite. And yeah, we're different people :)

- Consigliere Ildran, Shizlock Holmesplice