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Is a sestina a valid form of loresinging?
I have a very young bard and she hasn't tried any singing at all. What do I need to know to get started?
Magarven the Mad
The exact mechanisms of loresinging are considered a game secret. Gods alone know why; there's no secret about rogue or warrior guild skills, for example. Pretty dumb if you ask me, but then, no one did.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
As a bard, I always felt that loresinging was something that definitely should be taught in game and be an in game secret. It is an excellent opportunity to roleplay with other bards. When my bard was ready to loresing, really loresing, not any of that hand in land crap, she found an expert bard and had him teacher her the finer points of loresinging. It was a pretty neat experience and helped define her as a bard.
~ Valyrka ~
Ta'Illistim
Elves
Dark Elves
Sylvans
Half Elves
After 10+ years of trying to be creative and create a loresong each and every time I sung, I gave up. It nets you zero reward (with the rare chance another bard witnesses it that might garner you a NOD), takes a significant amount of extra time and often fails to gain you the information you are attempting to retrieve if you incorrectly use a single word. If I want to make some effort I will, but usually I switch to bard speak and use a script. Sorry, I should care, but so many other people use short cuts and still get kudos that I just stopped bothering.
~Galenok
~Galenok
>> After 10+ years of trying to be creative and create a loresong each and every time I sung, I gave up.
The approach I have taken with my bard (and have seen several other bards take as well) is to come up with interesting loresongs specific to my character. I reuse the same loresongs each and every time but they are somewhat entertaining, still work, don't require that I come up with something new and creative for each and every item I sing, but aren't the pasty, soul draining, unimaginative "hand in land" songs that seems to be used by a large portion of the bard singing population.
-- Robert
The approach I have taken with my bard (and have seen several other bards take as well) is to come up with interesting loresongs specific to my character. I reuse the same loresongs each and every time but they are somewhat entertaining, still work, don't require that I come up with something new and creative for each and every item I sing, but aren't the pasty, soul draining, unimaginative "hand in land" songs that seems to be used by a large portion of the bard singing population.
-- Robert
I have a few old standby verses that I adapt to most items. If I have time, I'll ask the client where they found the item and use that in the song to make it a little more interesting for them, but if they have a lot of items (and many folks do hoard all the $35k+ at the pawn items they find for several weeks), I too switch to guildspeak and use some truly terrible rhymes. I do not use hand/land out of abject shame, but I definitely make sure there are no bards around to hear the alternatives, lol.
/seo/
/seo/
While I agree that all of the most simplistic of loresongs are somewhat exasperating to this bard and other, one thing to keep in mind is the demands of the customers. There is a constant desire for speed now in the game. Customers do not want us to sit and sing to a single item over the course of minutes. They want it done and over with in a short time frame. This does not hold true in all instances but the shift has been going that direction as more people script and spend less time interacting. I'm not supporting that but I do support providing a service in a time frame that the customer seems to want. A good example of this overriding desire is evident with lockpicking now. Only a percentage has the desire or patience to wait to make more money.
I will attempt to write something generic yet appealing to my ears and the ears of others and save it as a macro so that I can provide something middle groundish.
~Galenok
I will attempt to write something generic yet appealing to my ears and the ears of others and save it as a macro so that I can provide something middle groundish.
~Galenok
In addition to my original post...
I do not do unique loresongs for each item. I have one that is nice, uses all the tricks, and does not use hand in land at all! I use it for all items except special ones.
I just personally feel that learning to loresing should be taught in-game by another bard. Learning to loresing from one of the masters of my pc days (Icewhite, to throw out a blast from the past) was one of the rp experiences that has stuck with me over the years.
~ Valyrka ~
Ta'Illistim
Elves
Dark Elves
Sylvans
Half Elves
I do not do unique loresongs for each item. I have one that is nice, uses all the tricks, and does not use hand in land at all! I use it for all items except special ones.
I just personally feel that learning to loresing should be taught in-game by another bard. Learning to loresing from one of the masters of my pc days (Icewhite, to throw out a blast from the past) was one of the rp experiences that has stuck with me over the years.
~ Valyrka ~
Ta'Illistim
Elves
Dark Elves
Sylvans
Half Elves
If someone is handing me an item to loresing, I'm bloody well going to sing it however I want. I'm a bard. I get to dilly dally around, be over the top, get distracted by shiny objects.. whatever. Then they can thank me when I tell them the details. Because they never tip(even if I do rush it).
Now, if someone says "hey, I've got 30 items here, give you 100k if you sing to them all", well, then, shinies! and wam bam, here's your loresong ma'am.
Now, if someone says "hey, I've got 30 items here, give you 100k if you sing to them all", well, then, shinies! and wam bam, here's your loresong ma'am.
My bardess has access to at least 50 loresongs I have written and used over the years that vary in style and length for all manner of specific and generic items, none of which use the words hand or land (I cringe everytime I hear/see it). If anyone would like help in putting together some verses, I will gladly help.
>>You slay me woman! ~ Wyrom
~*~ She conquers, who endures ~*~
http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Rohese
>>You slay me woman! ~ Wyrom
~*~ She conquers, who endures ~*~
http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Rohese
>My bardess has access to at least 50 loresongs I have written and used over the years that vary in style and length for all manner of specific and generic items, none of which use the words hand or land (I cringe everytime I hear/see it). If anyone would like help in putting together some verses, I will gladly help.
I attempted to email you, but I got a kickback from your email address saying it's undeliverable. :(
I attempted to email you, but I got a kickback from your email address saying it's undeliverable. :(
>>I attempted to email you, but I got a kickback from your email address saying it's undeliverable. :(
That's odd, I have it set up to forward to my regular email (chivers81 at hotmail dot com). Feel free to email me directly on that one.
Roh/Cappyn x
>>You slay me woman! ~ Wyrom
~*~ She conquers, who endures ~*~
http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Rohese
That's odd, I have it set up to forward to my regular email (chivers81 at hotmail dot com). Feel free to email me directly on that one.
Roh/Cappyn x
>>You slay me woman! ~ Wyrom
~*~ She conquers, who endures ~*~
http://gsguide.wikia.com/wiki/Rohese
>>What is this land/hand thing anyway? <<
It's part of a horribly trite rhyme used to determine the value of an object; considered to be the absolute nadir of loresinging, with no imagination or originality required.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
It's part of a horribly trite rhyme used to determine the value of an object; considered to be the absolute nadir of loresinging, with no imagination or originality required.
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
If I actually posted an example of it, the post would probably be pulled, since even horribly bad loresinging verses would be considered a "game secret". Doh!
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"
"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
I'll see about setting up another mentor event on bard loresongs, in the meantime, feel free to find Archales in game as he has a bard training guide he can let you borrow that goes over all the fundamentals of loresinging. He's usually around landing or Icemule, but the 'service show' command might be the easiest way to track me down.
Archales
Archales
