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Recently, TSA agents have done some stupid things. To be fair, it MIGHT have been according to their rules.
What I'd like to discuss is the necessity of invasive searches. Now I can see the use of metal detectors. We don't want guns on a plane illegally.
I don't know how they check for explosive chemicals now, but in 2002, they were taking swabs of luggage.
With cockpits armored and locked now, why do we need to be checking adult diapers?
>With cockpits armored and locked now, why do we need to be checking adult diapers?
That's two things we agree on today! All we needed to do in response to 9/11 was to hard-lock the cockpits. Nothing else really matters. Frankly, I can't believe terrorists are still trying to bomb planes . . . Any other form of mass transit would be far easier, and probably more disruptive.
It's all a bunch of security theater, and covering their butts. No one's willing to stop it because then if/when something did happen, they'd be held responsible (in what would certainly be a vastly over-exaggerated reaction to it).
I have to wonder what the TSA reaction would be though if a terrorist managed to set of a bomb in an over-crowded security line.
- Greminty
That's two things we agree on today! All we needed to do in response to 9/11 was to hard-lock the cockpits. Nothing else really matters. Frankly, I can't believe terrorists are still trying to bomb planes . . . Any other form of mass transit would be far easier, and probably more disruptive.
It's all a bunch of security theater, and covering their butts. No one's willing to stop it because then if/when something did happen, they'd be held responsible (in what would certainly be a vastly over-exaggerated reaction to it).
I have to wonder what the TSA reaction would be though if a terrorist managed to set of a bomb in an over-crowded security line.
- Greminty
We don't need those searches. Nor do we need the body scans that they subject us to. Terrorists have been trying to kill us for coming up on 40 years and so far they've been woefully pathetic at it. Over those 40 years, they have killed something on the order of 10% of the number killed just last year in car accidents. 40 years of effort and they have managed to kill 10% of ONE way that we accidently kill ourselves over the course of ONE year. They simply aren't anything to be feared. We don't fear our cars, so why should we fear these terrorists.
A few new measures were warranted. No box cutters. Even the small bottle requirement. But the scans, invasive pat downs, searches of false breasts of cancer victims and the like are simply not necessary. The government (Republicans AND Democrats) is using the fear that they intentionally build up over incompetent terrorists to get us used to being violated. It makes us easier to handle.
Josh
A few new measures were warranted. No box cutters. Even the small bottle requirement. But the scans, invasive pat downs, searches of false breasts of cancer victims and the like are simply not necessary. The government (Republicans AND Democrats) is using the fear that they intentionally build up over incompetent terrorists to get us used to being violated. It makes us easier to handle.
Josh
One of the issues with security is that it's more a feeling than anything. There's risk involved in whatever you do, and some of it can be calculated..but security is this feeling.. You feel secure while driving because you're in control vs feeling less secure in a plane because you're a bystander.. Even though the risk of injury is greater in a car than in a plane. Most of the new TSA measures are designed to make people feel more secure, not decrease any real risk. If people don't feel secure they won't want to fly. The extra security seems mostly designed to make the general public feel more secure by reducing perceived risk and not actual risk. Plus hey, creating jobs is good right?
<<I have to wonder what the TSA reaction would be though if a terrorist managed to set of a bomb in an over-crowded security line. - Greminty>>
It's a wonder this hasn't been a goal yet. Why bother getting on the plane to detonate when they can do it in a packed crowd waiting BEFORE the security checkpoint. All they have to do is just make a carry on sized bomb wrapped in ball bearings and detonate it in the line and it'd be horrible carnage.
Kerl
It's a wonder this hasn't been a goal yet. Why bother getting on the plane to detonate when they can do it in a packed crowd waiting BEFORE the security checkpoint. All they have to do is just make a carry on sized bomb wrapped in ball bearings and detonate it in the line and it'd be horrible carnage.
Kerl
<< One of the issues with security is that it's more a feeling than anything. There's risk involved in whatever you do, and some of it can be calculated..but security is this feeling.. You feel secure while driving because you're in control vs feeling less secure in a plane because you're a bystander.. Even though the risk of injury is greater in a car than in a plane. Most of the new TSA measures are designed to make people feel more secure, not decrease any real risk. If people don't feel secure they won't want to fly. The extra security seems mostly designed to make the general public feel more secure by reducing perceived risk and not actual risk. Plus hey, creating jobs is good right? >>
If this is their goal, then they are failing miserably. Nobody I know feels safer due to a ton of security procedures. All the procedures have the effect of making them feel unsafe, because it presents a front of, "We have to do this because the danger is so great." It's a lie. The danger is not great. They can take their genital groping, body scanning, lavendar terror alert stating selves and shove it. I'm tired of Americans being violated over a lie.
Josh
If this is their goal, then they are failing miserably. Nobody I know feels safer due to a ton of security procedures. All the procedures have the effect of making them feel unsafe, because it presents a front of, "We have to do this because the danger is so great." It's a lie. The danger is not great. They can take their genital groping, body scanning, lavendar terror alert stating selves and shove it. I'm tired of Americans being violated over a lie.
Josh
In the news:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/airport-body-scanners-were-improperly-adopted-by-u-s-appeals-court-rules.html
Too bad it won't stop them though.
- Greminty
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/airport-body-scanners-were-improperly-adopted-by-u-s-appeals-court-rules.html
Too bad it won't stop them though.
- Greminty
