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I don't know if this has ever been brought up before, but the thought just occured to me and wanted to post about it. Has it ever been considered to have a playable Undead race for GS? I was thinking that if we can fight them, than obviously they exist, so why can't we be one?
Mechanics wise I'm not sure how it would work, since being a ghost you probably cant wear items such as armor and things like that. Personally that wouldn't bother me, I just think it would be neet floating around town and getting people messy with spectrel goo. Any thoughts?
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
Undead gnome asks, "Can anyone bless vultite?"
You nod at the undead gnome.
You say, "Sure, but I'm a little low on favor. Wait a second."
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You nod at the undead gnome.
You say, "That should be good enough to gain the Gods' favor, let me see your short sword."
You nod at the undead gnome.
You say, "Sure, but I'm a little low on favor. Wait a second."
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You kill the undead gnome.
There is a white flash of something as the soul of the undead gnome is released.
The body of an undead gnome vanishes on the wind!
The undead gnome just arrived.
You nod at the undead gnome.
You say, "That should be good enough to gain the Gods' favor, let me see your short sword."
>>Ummm... I can't think of any idea that would contribute to more PvP. There is an entire Society dedicated to slaying undead - you're asking for genocide
Some people felt that way about the krolvin. I like Jim's reasoning much better.
~Uniana's Songbird~
Suffering is justified as soon as it becomes the raw material of beauty.
<< Technically undead are not a race. They are a un-natural creature that once was something else. So an undead race can't exist.>>
Just as Elanthian science isn't precisely up to genetic manipulation, but we've got a lot of halves out there. "Undead" has been a playable racial option in other games , so "it can't be done" doesn't fly. Of course it could be done, if management wanted to do it.
I agree though it'd be a huge cheat to the Volnies, and considerably more trouble than it's worth.
~ bob
Just as Elanthian science isn't precisely up to genetic manipulation, but we've got a lot of halves out there. "Undead" has been a playable racial option in other games , so "it can't be done" doesn't fly. Of course it could be done, if management wanted to do it.
I agree though it'd be a huge cheat to the Volnies, and considerably more trouble than it's worth.
~ bob
Want to play undead go play a vampire game. This is not one.
"Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." -http://stuck-on-stupid.blogspot.com/
"Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." -http://stuck-on-stupid.blogspot.com/
>Want to play undead go play a vampire game. This is not one.
I wasn't exactly saying that "I" wanted to play one, I was more wondering about if anyone had thought about it. I do agree that it would probably be more trouble than it's worth, just thought I'd like to hear everyone elses thoughts on the subject.
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
I wasn't exactly saying that "I" wanted to play one, I was more wondering about if anyone had thought about it. I do agree that it would probably be more trouble than it's worth, just thought I'd like to hear everyone elses thoughts on the subject.
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
My take on undead beings has always been, 1. They dont quite know they are undead, and 2. they know they are undead but its tormenting them. Hence the crying and such when you slay something undead. Why would anyone strive to be an undead being? How would you roleplay it? Heres some bad examples.
You see Thor the Empath. He appears to be a zombie.
you hear the faint thought of whosit echo in your mind: Any cleric come to TSC for a dead ghoul that needs a raise.
lamo bounces and giggles and licks people again and again and again.
You look at lamo
She appears to be a skeleton of the bones clan.
this is a BAD idea
WHOOOSH* I'm the wind!
You see Thor the Empath. He appears to be a zombie.
you hear the faint thought of whosit echo in your mind: Any cleric come to TSC for a dead ghoul that needs a raise.
lamo bounces and giggles and licks people again and again and again.
You look at lamo
She appears to be a skeleton of the bones clan.
this is a BAD idea
WHOOOSH* I'm the wind!
<<Why would anyone strive to be an undead being? How would you roleplay it?>>
Errrrr ... c'mon. One of the most popular roleplaying games in history, and the sparkplug of an entire genre of such games, revolves around playing undead. It isn't the case that anyone's genuinely bewildered someone might want to play such a role, is it?
Nor are NPC monsters, coded to attack PC on sight and provide little more RP interaction than repartee between attacks, a good guide as to how PCs act, any more than we expect that all half-krolvin or gnomes should be vicious, inarticulate predators that atttack on sight
~ bob
Errrrr ... c'mon. One of the most popular roleplaying games in history, and the sparkplug of an entire genre of such games, revolves around playing undead. It isn't the case that anyone's genuinely bewildered someone might want to play such a role, is it?
Nor are NPC monsters, coded to attack PC on sight and provide little more RP interaction than repartee between attacks, a good guide as to how PCs act, any more than we expect that all half-krolvin or gnomes should be vicious, inarticulate predators that atttack on sight
~ bob
Not to throw water on all this. Hope it is not holy water! But I digress.
Healing. In most RP games healing an Undead actually hurts them. How do you heal?
Raising- They are never alive how do you raise them? Could such a spell work? Why would me as a cleric of Cholen raise and Undead? I am also a member of Voln as was Cholen. He tells me to release undead (IE kill them). This would go against everything my cleric believes. Anyone who is aligned with a Voln Arkati would be against there own god to raise such a person.
I hope this is clear why I think it will not work.
"Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." -http://stuck-on-stupid.blogspot.com/
Healing. In most RP games healing an Undead actually hurts them. How do you heal?
Raising- They are never alive how do you raise them? Could such a spell work? Why would me as a cleric of Cholen raise and Undead? I am also a member of Voln as was Cholen. He tells me to release undead (IE kill them). This would go against everything my cleric believes. Anyone who is aligned with a Voln Arkati would be against there own god to raise such a person.
I hope this is clear why I think it will not work.
"Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." -http://stuck-on-stupid.blogspot.com/
Undead likely shouldn't be able to heal. They also shouldn't be able to bleed. They should, however, be able to swap out limbs with whatever suitable humanoid creature they come across. Perhaps a new verb, harvest, could be used to gather whatever appendages and organs they needed from a fresh corpse.
Evarin and his Mis'ri
Evarin and his Mis'ri
I'm not sure of the project's current status, but DragonRealms has a necromancer guild in the works. Part of what makes their idea for the necromancer's guild so cool is that necromancers will be, in some respects, "part undead".
You can read more about it under Dragonrealms/DragonRealms II/Necromancers.
~Jharra
You can read more about it under Dragonrealms/DragonRealms II/Necromancers.
~Jharra
Hillgren, speaking hypothetically -- I certainly don't think any such race is likely in Gemstone -- here's how it works.
Simply put, it's so often fiat anyway. Those RP games that don't allow the healing of undead don't because that's how the designers want it. Those that do -- and I've played in a MMORPG that did -- do because that's likewise how the designers want it. Even less so than most such games, Gemstone is desperately sparse in documentation over how things work. We don't in fact know that healing doesn't work on undead in Gemstone, because there aren't any (official, anyway) PC undead upon whom to try it. Maybe there'd be some event revolving around Luukos granting more volition to the hordes of undead, beats me.
How would mass bloodshed be avoided? Probably the same way that the predicted anti-krolvin pogroms were; it's a violation of Policy. I don't get to butcher your character just because I'm a Marluvian, your human just because I'm a dark elf rejectionist or your DA character just because I'm Resistance. Volnies would have to conform to Policy about PvP just like everyone else.
Now you wouldn't want your cleric to raise undead? Cool, that's a permissible RP decision, and there are actually players -- bless them -- who still do make such decisions, even if they have empty XP bars. I doubt undead PCs would have too many problems in that line, though.
~ bob
Simply put, it's so often fiat anyway. Those RP games that don't allow the healing of undead don't because that's how the designers want it. Those that do -- and I've played in a MMORPG that did -- do because that's likewise how the designers want it. Even less so than most such games, Gemstone is desperately sparse in documentation over how things work. We don't in fact know that healing doesn't work on undead in Gemstone, because there aren't any (official, anyway) PC undead upon whom to try it. Maybe there'd be some event revolving around Luukos granting more volition to the hordes of undead, beats me.
How would mass bloodshed be avoided? Probably the same way that the predicted anti-krolvin pogroms were; it's a violation of Policy. I don't get to butcher your character just because I'm a Marluvian, your human just because I'm a dark elf rejectionist or your DA character just because I'm Resistance. Volnies would have to conform to Policy about PvP just like everyone else.
Now you wouldn't want your cleric to raise undead? Cool, that's a permissible RP decision, and there are actually players -- bless them -- who still do make such decisions, even if they have empty XP bars. I doubt undead PCs would have too many problems in that line, though.
~ bob
I'm sure somehow an undead race would be possible. Healing yes wouldn't be an option, but I do like the idea of "harvesting" corpses for body parts. Even eating souls of corpses for "health".
Obviously live players wouldn't earn favor for killing "Undead" player characters, so I don't think that would be a problem.
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
Obviously live players wouldn't earn favor for killing "Undead" player characters, so I don't think that would be a problem.
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
I'm not sure of the project's current status, but DragonRealms has a necromancer guild in the works. Part of what makes their idea for the necromancer's guild so cool is that necromancers will be, in some respects, "part undead".
You can read more about it under Dragonrealms/DragonRealms II/Necromancers.
~Jharra <-
It's moving about as fast as breakage is in GS. How's that for an update. Personally it just sounds like black magic and what sorcerers do here who focus on Necromancy. :shrugs:
Jim
p.s:Unlike here (GS), DR is really short on GMs and you don't get the on going wonderful feedback from almost all aspects of the game. Like you do here...
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
You can read more about it under Dragonrealms/DragonRealms II/Necromancers.
~Jharra <-
It's moving about as fast as breakage is in GS. How's that for an update. Personally it just sounds like black magic and what sorcerers do here who focus on Necromancy. :shrugs:
Jim
p.s:Unlike here (GS), DR is really short on GMs and you don't get the on going wonderful feedback from almost all aspects of the game. Like you do here...
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
<<p.s:Unlike here (GS), DR is really short on GMs and you don't get the on going wonderful feedback from almost all aspects of the game. Like you do here...
Are you sure about that, Jim? I thought DR had a slightly larger population these days, and it wouldn't make too much sense for them to have less GMs. Obviously they took a hit (like GS did) with the GM shift towards HJ, but I find it odd to think that they're really short.
-Grendeg
Are you sure about that, Jim? I thought DR had a slightly larger population these days, and it wouldn't make too much sense for them to have less GMs. Obviously they took a hit (like GS did) with the GM shift towards HJ, but I find it odd to think that they're really short.
-Grendeg
Are you sure about that, Jim? I thought DR had a slightly larger population these days, and it wouldn't make too much sense for them to have less GMs. Obviously they took a hit (like GS did) with the GM shift towards HJ, but I find it odd to think that they're really short.
-Grendeg <--
Yeah, I'm almost positive that GS has more GM's by a decent amount. Population wise we're running about the same for players in any given time. A lot of players were surprised by GS's Table of Organization I posted over there to show an example as to what I was asking for. I've been trying to figure out who to direct questions to and who to seek to read when they post and you know me I read alot of topics, the difference is clear between what I'm seeing over there and here. Bubba ignored my post like he does as a side note, he doesn't care for my direct questions. ::chuckle:: Basically it looks like a majorty of work gets done by a a few very productive gms who end up burning out. They've had a large turn over since about 2001 I'd say.
Anyhow that's neither here nor now or on topic. Want more info on my speculation I'll gladly reply in email, I get enough immature and less then professional email/private messages from said PM over there as is over the silliest things to be bothered with more of it due to my posts here.
Jim
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
-Grendeg <--
Yeah, I'm almost positive that GS has more GM's by a decent amount. Population wise we're running about the same for players in any given time. A lot of players were surprised by GS's Table of Organization I posted over there to show an example as to what I was asking for. I've been trying to figure out who to direct questions to and who to seek to read when they post and you know me I read alot of topics, the difference is clear between what I'm seeing over there and here. Bubba ignored my post like he does as a side note, he doesn't care for my direct questions. ::chuckle:: Basically it looks like a majorty of work gets done by a a few very productive gms who end up burning out. They've had a large turn over since about 2001 I'd say.
Anyhow that's neither here nor now or on topic. Want more info on my speculation I'll gladly reply in email, I get enough immature and less then professional email/private messages from said PM over there as is over the silliest things to be bothered with more of it due to my posts here.
Jim
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
<<Obviously live players wouldn't earn favor for killing "Undead" player characters, so I don't think that would be a problem.
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter>>
But why wouldn't they? To not gain favor for killing one would break an established reality of Elanthia.
It wouldn't be in the game's best interest to introduce a playable "race" that is either designed to create combat between players or that creates an enormous contradiction in an already established world. Note that krolvin weren't introduced as a playable race, but half-krolvin with their own separate history.
Undead in Elanthia are by definition intended to be hunted down and killed/released. There is an entire organization dedicated to this purpose. That doesn't make for a playable race.
Zyllah
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter>>
But why wouldn't they? To not gain favor for killing one would break an established reality of Elanthia.
It wouldn't be in the game's best interest to introduce a playable "race" that is either designed to create combat between players or that creates an enormous contradiction in an already established world. Note that krolvin weren't introduced as a playable race, but half-krolvin with their own separate history.
Undead in Elanthia are by definition intended to be hunted down and killed/released. There is an entire organization dedicated to this purpose. That doesn't make for a playable race.
Zyllah
>Undead in Elanthia are by definition intended to be hunted down and killed/released. There is an entire organization dedicated to this purpose. That doesn't make for a playable race.
>Zyllah
Well, it's not possible to argue with you on this point. I agree with you totally. I stand corrected again as always ::grumble::.
On a side note, have I ever said that I like you Zyllah? I'm very impressed with your wealth of knowledge. Between you and the cookie man I don't think there is anything you guys don't know. I always enjoy having both of you talking and joining in on all these threads that we (players) come up with. Thanks
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
>Zyllah
Well, it's not possible to argue with you on this point. I agree with you totally. I stand corrected again as always ::grumble::.
On a side note, have I ever said that I like you Zyllah? I'm very impressed with your wealth of knowledge. Between you and the cookie man I don't think there is anything you guys don't know. I always enjoy having both of you talking and joining in on all these threads that we (players) come up with. Thanks
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter
Eagles soar high, but Weasles don't get sucked into jet engines.
Now, I'm not in favor of an undead race, actually... but just to play devil's advocate. Though it doesn't CURRENTLY fit into Elanthian history, a story can certainly be made within the guidelines of Elanthian mythology.
Luukos's figured out how to infuse his undead with the living souls of his worshippers, though it's not certain where he found the knowledge. Rumors suggest he may have cut a deal with the Grandfather, though what Fash'lo'nae received is still unknown.
Luukos' chosen are technically undead, but still retain a living soul. Because the soul is not bound against it's will, killing one of the Chosen does not release undead. In addition, Luukos has granted Clerics the means to resurrect his Chosen, though many priests of Liabo are unwilling to wield Luukos' dark magics.
There are three factions of the Chosen. The first is simply known as The Fangs, and are greatly feared, even among the Chosen, for their love of Necromancy. Though not all of them are Sorcerers, every member of the Serpent's Fangs relishes in their Lord's creation of the undead, particularly intelligent ones. The second faction, known as the Forked Tongue, chooses to focus its abilities on their Lord's reputation for guile and deception - noone who values their life or sanity trusts a member of Luukos' Forked Tongue.
The third faction is different from the others, as it is formed of those who were sacrificed to Luukos unwillingly. Though they bemoan their undead state, they cling to the only life currently offered them. The Ouroboros, as they've come to be known, despise Luukos and all he stands for. However, they have also been shunned by many of the other Arkati, particularly Lorminstra, because of their undead state.
~DD
Luukos's figured out how to infuse his undead with the living souls of his worshippers, though it's not certain where he found the knowledge. Rumors suggest he may have cut a deal with the Grandfather, though what Fash'lo'nae received is still unknown.
Luukos' chosen are technically undead, but still retain a living soul. Because the soul is not bound against it's will, killing one of the Chosen does not release undead. In addition, Luukos has granted Clerics the means to resurrect his Chosen, though many priests of Liabo are unwilling to wield Luukos' dark magics.
There are three factions of the Chosen. The first is simply known as The Fangs, and are greatly feared, even among the Chosen, for their love of Necromancy. Though not all of them are Sorcerers, every member of the Serpent's Fangs relishes in their Lord's creation of the undead, particularly intelligent ones. The second faction, known as the Forked Tongue, chooses to focus its abilities on their Lord's reputation for guile and deception - noone who values their life or sanity trusts a member of Luukos' Forked Tongue.
The third faction is different from the others, as it is formed of those who were sacrificed to Luukos unwillingly. Though they bemoan their undead state, they cling to the only life currently offered them. The Ouroboros, as they've come to be known, despise Luukos and all he stands for. However, they have also been shunned by many of the other Arkati, particularly Lorminstra, because of their undead state.
~DD
On a side note, have I ever said that I like you Zyllah? I'm very impressed with your wealth of knowledge. Between you and the cookie man ZEPHORE<--
That's cause Zyllah and Khalaloon are addicted to the bbs. :grin:
Jim, call me Kettle.
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
That's cause Zyllah and Khalaloon are addicted to the bbs. :grin:
Jim, call me Kettle.
"The screen door slams
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays
Roy Orbison singing for the lonely
Hey that's me and I want you only"
<<On a side note, have I ever said that I like you Zyllah? I'm very impressed with your wealth of knowledge. Between you and the cookie man I don't think there is anything you guys don't know. I always enjoy having both of you talking and joining in on all these threads that we (players) come up with. Thanks
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter>>
Heh, thanks! Though there's plenty I don't know! I even had to correct a post I made recently. <blush> And yeah...pretty much what Jim said. <grin>
Zyllah
Zephore O'Dane, the BattleChanter>>
Heh, thanks! Though there's plenty I don't know! I even had to correct a post I made recently. <blush> And yeah...pretty much what Jim said. <grin>
Zyllah
Instead of a undead race. Why not a Half-Undead race. I mean say the half-undead would have been born by undead parents but were saved as soon as they came out by a race.That were useing them to help rebuild their homes and in return treated them as semi equals sorta like half-elfs in some culture.To be a half-undead you were to be born soon but your mother was killed before birthing you and you still grew inside her theirfore getting traits of undead but the abilities of the living. Clan would be of each race. I do think if they decide to put an undead race. ITt would be more viable to implement du to healing and raises. They would still be considered living but a much less tolerance with spirital magic and in return can not be paladins and clerics for that reason.
Ps. sorry for the attachment dont know much about posting
Ps. sorry for the attachment dont know much about posting
Not sure if this has already been touched on, but wouldn't the type of undead I assume most people would want to play (vampires, liches, death knights etc..)be unbalancing for a level 1 character? In nearly every RP genre even the lesser of these kinds of undead are quite powerful, since it usually required great personal power in life or from an outside agent in order to join the ranks of the intelligent and more or less free willed of the unliving.
Now maybe there could be away after reaching a very high level for said player to exchange his life and become undead there by acquiring new powers while having to give up a hefty amount of something in return.
When it comes to societies Voln wouldn't have undead members, and you'd probably be missing a vital ingredient the other society requires from you upon mastering it (assuming there is such a society).
Now maybe there could be away after reaching a very high level for said player to exchange his life and become undead there by acquiring new powers while having to give up a hefty amount of something in return.
When it comes to societies Voln wouldn't have undead members, and you'd probably be missing a vital ingredient the other society requires from you upon mastering it (assuming there is such a society).
In nearly every RPG that allows for PC undead, beginning characters are at the bottom of the totem pole like everyone else. The presumption that undead = powerful is just that: a fiat presumption that fits our understanding of the world, especially our understanding of NPC = foe.
That being said, it's a presumption that doesn't fit Gemstone. There's plenty of low-level undead out there. Of course people might want to roleplay vampire lords or liches or death knights ... but in like fashion, Gemstone players want to roleplay archmages and knight commanders and powerful prelates, but like everyone else, their characters come out of the Mangler as 0th level newbies with reinforced shields and basic gear.
~ bob
Bevan says, "A good thing I am moral and kind and decent, or I would track down the Guildmasters, kill them slowly, and drink their blood."
Visit Ravenswing Imports, 2nd block of the Spiral in Solhaven! http://www.playershops.com/RavenswingImports
That being said, it's a presumption that doesn't fit Gemstone. There's plenty of low-level undead out there. Of course people might want to roleplay vampire lords or liches or death knights ... but in like fashion, Gemstone players want to roleplay archmages and knight commanders and powerful prelates, but like everyone else, their characters come out of the Mangler as 0th level newbies with reinforced shields and basic gear.
~ bob
Bevan says, "A good thing I am moral and kind and decent, or I would track down the Guildmasters, kill them slowly, and drink their blood."
Visit Ravenswing Imports, 2nd block of the Spiral in Solhaven! http://www.playershops.com/RavenswingImports
Undead = a soul bound to service by the will of a greater power. I don't see exactly how any such thing could be controlled by anyone BUT the power. They are mindless things, roam about and kill...I don't see how anyone could PLAY such things as they by definition cannot be controlled autonomously.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
<<Undead = a soul bound to service by the will of a greater power. I don't see exactly how any such thing could be controlled by anyone BUT the power. They are mindless things, roam about and kill...I don't see how anyone could PLAY such things as they by definition cannot be controlled autonomously.>>
You mean by the definitions you choose to employ.
But heck ... there are entire RPGs set up around them, and arguably the most popular RPG of all time next to D&D is based around nothing but undead PCs. Why not look up a bunch of Vampire players and get their POV?
~ bob
You mean by the definitions you choose to employ.
But heck ... there are entire RPGs set up around them, and arguably the most popular RPG of all time next to D&D is based around nothing but undead PCs. Why not look up a bunch of Vampire players and get their POV?
~ bob
However we aren't playing the other games, it is this one we play. And that is the definition this game chooses to employ. According to the game souls are enslaved to create the undead as per Voln.
The creation of the undead "race" would invariably cause RP inconsistancies with the Voln society. Therefore such a race can never be created imho. Further such a creation, even if they were allowed and some how rped as ok, would cause untold ic conflict where any self respecting member of voln would slay them on sight. Since this game is not exactly for PvP it would further cause problems vs game policy.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
The creation of the undead "race" would invariably cause RP inconsistancies with the Voln society. Therefore such a race can never be created imho. Further such a creation, even if they were allowed and some how rped as ok, would cause untold ic conflict where any self respecting member of voln would slay them on sight. Since this game is not exactly for PvP it would further cause problems vs game policy.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
One idea, would be that when you cap as a mortal race - you could then be "gifted" with immortality of various guises - and then gain levels in that, as a new race.
Thus, you could be that 100th level rogue, then become a 1st level undead with some, but not all of your original skills. Of course, this immortality should/would remain a secret.
I've seen it done with other rpg's, for undead, lycanthropy, demon, angelic, shapeshifter, etc. Unfortunately, I do not think the time, nor effort remains in Gemstone to develop such things.
~G
Thus, you could be that 100th level rogue, then become a 1st level undead with some, but not all of your original skills. Of course, this immortality should/would remain a secret.
I've seen it done with other rpg's, for undead, lycanthropy, demon, angelic, shapeshifter, etc. Unfortunately, I do not think the time, nor effort remains in Gemstone to develop such things.
~G
The problem still remains however, that it would be in direct conflict with the Voln society, and immenently discoverable via Symbol of Recognition. Since it discovers ALL undead, regardless of power. Further the problems with the in game definition of undead as in conflict with an RPable undead character still exist.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
Thats not to say i don't find the idea of an immortal identity intriguing. I very much do, but perhaps it could personify a person's origional class?
You're right in that such idea's are probobly never goin to happen.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
You're right in that such idea's are probobly never goin to happen.
Nick
"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."
- Indian Proverb
There are many sources of the curses that cause a being to become undead. Some are wretched servants of Chaos in their quest to dominate and destroy Elanthia. Others may have fallen under the influence of demonic powers from other planes of existence. In some cases, local gods or evil spirits may be the source of the curse. Regardless of the cause though, in each case the unfortunate victim can be released from their curse to find Lorminstra's mercy."
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