Quick Question for the number crunchers is there any significant advantage to double train in survival? If so what are the short and long term advantages?

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>Quick Question for the number crunchers is there any significant advantage to double train in survival? If so what are the short and long term advantages?

I can only speak for the higher levels, but 1x is absolutely sufficient. You last longer than anyone else in harsh weather (602 extends this duration significantly), you never fall on the way to Icemule, you get magnificent skins every time (604 assumed), you don't even need a positive roll to forage (603 assumed), and you get the minimum RT for any Survival related movements (walking through marshes and stuff like that).

I can't see any reason to double it as a ranger. Perhaps, as the other reply suggest, it's beneficial during lower levels, but you should be hard up for TPs at that point, so I would wager that it's not really worth it.

Also, you'll eventually pick up 650 which has the Yierka Aspect to assist you in foraging. Not only does it make you a better forager, it reduces the RT required to forage (to 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 secs per respective forage per room; if you get Haste as well, it's 1 sec across the board).

~Brian, Sepher's player

Long term, zero because of your spell bonuses. You probably don't even need to be fully 1x at cap to maximise the benefits.

Short term, better skins, and faster foraging. It takes a while to get enough training to cap out the benefits, and if you train 2x, you'll get there sooner rather than later.

>My guess would be to stop doubling once you hit 40 ranks.

I'd say this is the time to review the quality of skins you are getting. If they are all magnificent, you can stop and let it drop back to 1x, if they are mostly magnificent, keep adding a rank a level, and if you haven't got many magnificents, keep doubling. There are some pretty valuable skins at this level, and I suspect you'll find its actually worth doubling to level 30 rather than level 20.

>To me 120 is more important then 650.

I agree with this. 650 is awesome, but the TD bonus from 120 is far more functionally important. You can pick up 650 right after and look fabulous like the rest of us.

~Brian, Sepher's player

>>As for spells I had planned on getting 620 then 120 by 40th then back to Ranger spells until 650.

Just a thought, I've had more a need of 625 since you start having to hunt more and more indoors and the DS from 640 then I needed the TD from 120.

Did Brian say that because of 604 it's automatically a magnificent quality skin?
Depending it was killed properly, I assume?
Never heard that before.

I skipped dodge entirely and went to almost 2x spells for 120 and 640 early.

With mobility ( and regular wiz spellup w/ both blurs) and regular 6x brig I had zero DS and dodging issues and once I got my spells I dropped spell training and focused on bringing back dodge up to 1x. Now I'm almost up to 1x dodge and am considering going up the 600 circle simply for the spell rank bonuses (rather than any particular need for 650).

I did this with several different builds (2hd, Thrown/shield, OHE/Shield, OHE/TWC) with no complaints and no difficulties. I don't do archery, but I doubt that a bow user would suffer any either.

-farmer