Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/30/2016 10:55 PM CDT
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At the recent enchant raffle, a winner found themselves in a situation that I could easily have be fallen victim to as well. I have some armor I want enchanted but have no elanthian clue how much it is going to cost. To find out I don't have enough silvers to cover the cost would be tragic. That was a class act to allow that person to sell their spot Jainna but if it was a strict "no passing/no selling" raffle, then the person would be out their ticket cost as well as any service.

In an effort to reduce confusion and streamline future raffles, can "ballpark" service prices be posted for adding enchants and padding to items? Please? Adding this information to the Wiki would be extremely helpful as well.


Weapon Enchant / Add +5 Service Fee / Armor Enchant / Add +5 Service Fee / Add Padding/Weighting Fee
0x ? / 0x ? / ?
1x ? / 1x ? / ?
2x ? / 2x ? / ?
3x ? / 3x ? / ?
4x *1.1 million? / 4x ? / ?
5x ? / 5x ? / ?
6x ? / 6x ? / ?
7x ? / 7x ? / ?

* inferred from the last raffle

It seems like there's always been a lead veil of secrecy on this kind of information. Can that veil be made a bit more translucent? A "prices are always subject to change" disclaimer could be easily stated to prevent (reduce) whining.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 02:39 AM CDT
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Even if it's hard (if not maybe impossible) to estimate a ballpark number because of all the variables, it would be nice to see a minimum per tier via raffle.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 11:11 AM CDT
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+1
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 03:18 PM CDT
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The cost for these services usually involves the difference between the current value of the item and the new value of the item. That means a price really can't be quoted until we've got the item in hand and can look at that specific item. Every single mechanical attribute of the item contributes to its overall valuation.

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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 04:58 PM CDT
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I understand that there will be surcharges for items, but still very helpful to know the ballpark that a vanilla 5x-6x (say) enchant costs from a merchant, which would be the price floor.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 05:36 PM CDT
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agree. at least post the base for simple enchants.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 06:52 PM CDT
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If it uses item value, it's not that simple.

> Every single mechanical attribute of the item contributes to its overall valuation.

This includes material (5x steel -> 6x steel will be cheaper than 5x golvern -> 6x golvern) and weapon base (a dagger is cheaper than a lance) or armor type (light leather is WAY cheaper than full plate).

You can try to suss part of it out by experimenting with loresinging. Find out what 4x and 5x vultite weapons of the same base sing for, for example.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 07:06 PM CDT
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>This includes material

so pick something like vultite for weapons and leather for armor, common weapons like falchions, armor like brig, and list them. Or make the system less complicated.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 07:32 PM CDT
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I sometimes wonder if the powers at be live in Colorado or Washington. They have to be high to charge that kind of price to pad a 6x plate. Just saying.

No offense meant, some people enjoy some recreational drugs every now and then.

I enjoy most things about this game, taking away haste changes and a few other things but the prices charged for simple services are freaking insane. Sure there is
part of the population that can afford it but i would say 75 percent has no way to come up with something like 22 million for a single service that is okay.


Just a dwarf running through and hiding

ps: yes it says there will be a charge but come on people!

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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 07:47 PM CDT
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>Sure there is part of the population that can afford it but i would say 75 percent has no way to come up with something like 22 million for a single service that is okay.

I too would have been totally unprepared had I won the raffle. I had no idea it was that much to pad plate. Which was why I asked well beforehand for some ballpark prices.


On the positive end, we now have two data points to work on.

4x axe to 5x = 1.1 million

6x plate to heavy padding = 22 million

GS players are pretty smart. We can make decent inferences from supplied data. But we need basic data to start from.

It would be a very Premium thing to share. ;-)
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 08:21 PM CDT
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>> I understand that there will be surcharges for items, but still very helpful to know the ballpark...

I'd have been the completely floored raffle winner who could not pay, too, if I'd won if the prices were very high. If that 1 million in the example above was just there to show what a price would look like, well, that's another thing.

I'd expect 1 million ... to the winner ... to be the cost for a 7x or 8x weapon!

Before I buy another enchanting raffle ticket, I will wait for this information. I'm very sure I could not have afforded to win for my good weapon. There's something wrong with that picture. :(

~L.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 08:45 PM CDT
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>If that 1 million in the example above was just there to show what a price would look like, well, that's another thing.

That 1.1 million is the price the winner was lamenting at the raffle.

New data points:

4x axe to 5x = 1.1 million

7x double to heavy padding = 2.2 million

7x max light hauberk to heavy padding = 2.7 million

6x lightened plate to heavy padding = 22 million


This small bit of data would have been enough to make a better decision. I realize there is some uber super-secret formula for figuring prices (I picture some rickety spinny wheel thingy), but can we at least get the very basic vanilla, off the shelf, standard weight, leather, steel, prices? Most raffles don't allow special stuff anyway.

Full
Double
Brigandine
Hauberk
Plate

Dagger
Falchion
Mace
Twohanded sword
Lance
Tigerclaw
Runestaff
Longbow
UAC Footwrap

Providing the starting points for this list and their respective enchants from 0x to 7x would be peachy keen.

Feel free to reinstate Ophion for a few seconds to reply to this and shut me up! (Heh. The GM who checks the characters on my account should get a laugh out of that last comment)
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 09:37 PM CDT
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>> That 1.1 million is the price the winner was lamenting at the raffle.

Well, rats. I look at raffles as a chance to get something nice I could not normally afford.

Count me out of these kind, then. I don't understand how people accumulate all this money.

On the other hand, everyone in the raffle barrel now has a better chance, right? :|

~L.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 09:46 PM CDT
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>Count me out of these kind, then. I don't understand how people accumulate all this money.

This is what keeps me out of the Grand Auctions. I play to have fun and never accumulated enough silvers to participate. That first time they had a "token" driven auction tent was pure heaven. I didn't win anything but at least I felt I had a chance. Still have my consolation cloak! Holds VLA!
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 10:32 PM CDT
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>7x max light hauberk to heavy padding = 2.7 million
>6x lightened plate to heavy padding = 22 million

What are the metals for each of these? Given that magic metal armors all appraise at having pretty high values compared with steel or the equivalent in leathers (and thus leading to a lot more extra bard singing at times, i.e. Duskruin), that seems like it is good to note.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 10:53 PM CDT
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>7x max light hauberk to heavy padding = 2.7 million
>6x lightened plate to heavy padding = 22 million

>What are the metals for each of these? Given that magic metal armors all appraise at having pretty high values compared with steel or the equivalent in leathers (and thus leading to a lot more extra bard singing at times, i.e. Duskruin), that seems like it is good to note.

I am pretty sure I saw the plate as steel. The hauberk might have been rolaren? I am sure someone can supply exact information...or I could not be lazy and did into my logs.
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 07/31/2016 11:54 PM CDT
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The 22 mil floored me, too! I've alerted a GM to this thread who may chime in!

~Just Jainna
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Re: Enchant and padding service fee table? on 08/02/2016 02:36 PM CDT
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>The 22 mil floored me, too! I've alerted a GM to this thread who may chime in! ~Just Jainna

*hangs up some wind chimes* ... *adds a plate of cookies underneath*

*waits for chiming*...

:-)
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