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>>Incorrect. It's a consistency issue. AE is a TM hybrid spell. AC protects against all TM hybrid spells except AE, with no real explanation given.<<
I'll give you the explanation that it's an oversight. :)
Lainn
"An oversight that needs to be fixed, not blown off as "Ohh its only a PvP issue, who cares anyway"
Irrad "
It is either a coding error, or an design feature of AE. If it is a coding error with AC, then feel free to ask the WM team to devote all of their resources to fixing this error.
If it is a coding error with AE then it gets into the long list of things to be worked on by Skral, including death mechanics, resurrection and clerical spells scheduled to be released. Hopefully, this strictly PvP issue will be far down the list of Skral's priorities.
Or if it is a design feature, then tough. Meanwhile live in terror of the wrath of clerics! (that will be the day)
Flavius
Irrad "
It is either a coding error, or an design feature of AE. If it is a coding error with AC, then feel free to ask the WM team to devote all of their resources to fixing this error.
If it is a coding error with AE then it gets into the long list of things to be worked on by Skral, including death mechanics, resurrection and clerical spells scheduled to be released. Hopefully, this strictly PvP issue will be far down the list of Skral's priorities.
Or if it is a design feature, then tough. Meanwhile live in terror of the wrath of clerics! (that will be the day)
Flavius
<<I'll give you the explanation that it's an oversight. :)
Lainn>>
>>An oversight that needs to be fixed, not blown off as "Ohh its only a PvP issue, who cares anyway" - Irrad<<
I'm not blowing it off. I assume that wasn't aimed at me, but with my quote there it sounded like it.
If it's an oversight (which I strongly suspect) then by all means, fix it.
Lainn
Lainn>>
>>An oversight that needs to be fixed, not blown off as "Ohh its only a PvP issue, who cares anyway" - Irrad<<
I'm not blowing it off. I assume that wasn't aimed at me, but with my quote there it sounded like it.
If it's an oversight (which I strongly suspect) then by all means, fix it.
Lainn
>"If it is a coding error with AC, then feel free to ask the WM team to devote all of their resources to fixing this error."
Considering that the only member of the "WM team" is Valdrik, (maybe Rottcloar if you expand the defintion of what a guild dev team is), and Valdrik is devoting all his resources to recoding, monitoring, and editing spells...
-Roberth
Considering that the only member of the "WM team" is Valdrik, (maybe Rottcloar if you expand the defintion of what a guild dev team is), and Valdrik is devoting all his resources to recoding, monitoring, and editing spells...
-Roberth
You close your eyes, drawing your closed fist toward your chest.
Seconds later you swing your arm outward, pointing at a ship's rat as your eyes fix on it in a vehement stare.
Your spirit flows into waves of translucent energy that enwreathe a ship's rat, swarming around its malignantly.
>
Several bolts of flashing silver flame flare into view, churning around a ship's rat. With surprising speed, they swirl upward into the sky with a wailing shriek!
>
Bolts of flame begin to fall from the sky like fiery fists of Everild, punching savagely into the ground as collateral energy sprays outward!
A bolt of holy fire strikes a ship's rat in the neck, utterly immolating surrounding flesh and bone in a conflagration of roaring silver flame!
The ship's rat falls to the ground and lies still.
>
Your injuries feel a bit better.
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Bolts of roiling silver flame spiral downward from the heavens!
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Bolts of roiling silver flame spiral downward from the heavens!
Ye see from the messagin of the cast what i was referin to with the spirit wrapin around the target. the bolts seem to form around the target and then go up and when they come down again they hit. Call my opionion what ever ye wish and feel free to tear down what ye can it seems to me to be a feature of the spell. as far as where i a got the stupid opionion, I read the messagin from the cast.
Cadderrly
Seconds later you swing your arm outward, pointing at a ship's rat as your eyes fix on it in a vehement stare.
Your spirit flows into waves of translucent energy that enwreathe a ship's rat, swarming around its malignantly.
>
Several bolts of flashing silver flame flare into view, churning around a ship's rat. With surprising speed, they swirl upward into the sky with a wailing shriek!
>
Bolts of flame begin to fall from the sky like fiery fists of Everild, punching savagely into the ground as collateral energy sprays outward!
A bolt of holy fire strikes a ship's rat in the neck, utterly immolating surrounding flesh and bone in a conflagration of roaring silver flame!
The ship's rat falls to the ground and lies still.
>
Your injuries feel a bit better.
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Bolts of roiling silver flame spiral downward from the heavens!
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Torrents of silver flame continue to rain down on the corpse of a ship's rat.
>
Bolts of roiling silver flame spiral downward from the heavens!
Ye see from the messagin of the cast what i was referin to with the spirit wrapin around the target. the bolts seem to form around the target and then go up and when they come down again they hit. Call my opionion what ever ye wish and feel free to tear down what ye can it seems to me to be a feature of the spell. as far as where i a got the stupid opionion, I read the messagin from the cast.
Cadderrly
<<And you are using TM as part of the formula to enwrap the rat in your spirit, so AC should be able to block that from happening.>>
If there was a chance of failin to wrap the target with the spirit i would agree the TM comes in once the bolts go up and then start to fall back down. Maybe this spell does need a will vs will check something to see if ye can overcome the targetes Aether cloak thus wrappin the target with your spirit. But I think ye can also understand why I consider it a feature of the spell to overcome AE. If it was not for the spirit hit we take from castin it i would not mind so much but this spell comes at a high cost to us. it should be as effective as it is.
Cadderrly
If there was a chance of failin to wrap the target with the spirit i would agree the TM comes in once the bolts go up and then start to fall back down. Maybe this spell does need a will vs will check something to see if ye can overcome the targetes Aether cloak thus wrappin the target with your spirit. But I think ye can also understand why I consider it a feature of the spell to overcome AE. If it was not for the spirit hit we take from castin it i would not mind so much but this spell comes at a high cost to us. it should be as effective as it is.
Cadderrly
<<If there was a chance of failin to wrap the target with the spirit i would agree the TM comes in once the bolts go up and then start to fall back down.>>
It doesn't matter when you use your TM to guide the bolts. If they're used to guide the bolts at all, then AC should affect their accuracy.
I really fail to see how this generated so many posts. It's pitifully cut-and-dry.
It doesn't matter when you use your TM to guide the bolts. If they're used to guide the bolts at all, then AC should affect their accuracy.
I really fail to see how this generated so many posts. It's pitifully cut-and-dry.
<<If there was a chance of failin to wrap the target with the spirit i would agree the TM comes in once the bolts go up and then start to fall back down.>>
Ok, you do know that... AE will miss if you have no TM right?
Therefor, its a logical step to follow that TM helps the spell aim, and its not just all about the itty-bitty peice of spirit you wrap around a target.
Therefor, if you didnt need TM, you would never miss which just isnt the case.
Recheck your logic please. AC would make it so that you woudnt have any TM component and the spell would miss, just like it does every other spell.
Irrad
Ok, you do know that... AE will miss if you have no TM right?
Therefor, its a logical step to follow that TM helps the spell aim, and its not just all about the itty-bitty peice of spirit you wrap around a target.
Therefor, if you didnt need TM, you would never miss which just isnt the case.
Recheck your logic please. AC would make it so that you woudnt have any TM component and the spell would miss, just like it does every other spell.
Irrad
>>Maybe this spell does need a will vs will check something to see if ye can overcome the targetes Aether cloak thus wrappin the target with your spirit.
I like waffles. Maple syrup can go on waffles. I like maple syrup.
But if I try to put maple syrup on pancakes, my head explodes.
Makes sense to me.
-Frogspawn
I like waffles. Maple syrup can go on waffles. I like maple syrup.
But if I try to put maple syrup on pancakes, my head explodes.
Makes sense to me.
-Frogspawn
<<Therefor, its a logical step to follow that TM helps the spell aim, and its not just all about the itty-bitty peice of spirit you wrap around a target.
Therefor, if you didnt need TM, you would never miss which just isnt the case.>>
I agree TM does help the spell to aim. it is a part of the spell for sure. about the min prep for me and the spell to be useful is about 45 mana. with TM a good bit up in the expert ranks. The spirit that ye pour into the spell to wrap someone is NOT itty-bitty I have seen clerics around my circle die from 3 cast of this spell without givin there spirit a chance to heal. The point i was tryin to make is the spirit wrapin around them seems to negate the effects of AC thus it could possible be considered a feature not a bug.
I really would rather see the spell get a will vs will or some kind of check. maybe check it against the strength of AC. If the check finds that AE is stronger the AC fails good luck dancin with them. If the check passes let the AC absorb or through off the beacon of spirit that is wraped around the caster and let the bolts fall at Random in the room.
Cadderrly
Therefor, if you didnt need TM, you would never miss which just isnt the case.>>
I agree TM does help the spell to aim. it is a part of the spell for sure. about the min prep for me and the spell to be useful is about 45 mana. with TM a good bit up in the expert ranks. The spirit that ye pour into the spell to wrap someone is NOT itty-bitty I have seen clerics around my circle die from 3 cast of this spell without givin there spirit a chance to heal. The point i was tryin to make is the spirit wrapin around them seems to negate the effects of AC thus it could possible be considered a feature not a bug.
I really would rather see the spell get a will vs will or some kind of check. maybe check it against the strength of AC. If the check finds that AE is stronger the AC fails good luck dancin with them. If the check passes let the AC absorb or through off the beacon of spirit that is wraped around the caster and let the bolts fall at Random in the room.
Cadderrly
Recheck your logic please. AC would make it so that you woudnt have any TM component and the spell would miss, just like it does every other spell.
Irrad
Doesn't matter what you think, or I think, or Cadderly thinks- we are all argueing about spells that we have incomplete knowledge of. It can, and has been effectively argued each way based upon the information we know. Either AC is broken and needs rework, or its working as planned and so is AE. And it doesn't matter much to me, since I have never cast it upon a Warmie.
Flavius
Irrad
Doesn't matter what you think, or I think, or Cadderly thinks- we are all argueing about spells that we have incomplete knowledge of. It can, and has been effectively argued each way based upon the information we know. Either AC is broken and needs rework, or its working as planned and so is AE. And it doesn't matter much to me, since I have never cast it upon a Warmie.
Flavius
