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The spell seems a little too hard to cast quickly. Is this intended.
I'm talking from a low level characters view point. My 8th circle WM, who has 65 PM, can't cast it nearly as fast as before Magic 2. I mananged to give my self twitching twice with preps of 3 mana.
This wouldn't be an issue if the spell didn't seem designed especially for the purpose of casting quickly to remove attackers when you are in danger. (since it's not really meant to kill, so much as blow things back)
Just curious.
Get more PM or prep earlier.
-Frogspawn
LOL You utterly missed the point Frogspawn.
Obviously more Primary Magic is going to help. I was saying that PW seemed a little hard to cast rapidly considering that it is a 1st tier spell, and designed to remove attackers from melee range in combat.
Compared to the other offensive 1st tier spells, it is really hard to cast fast, which doesn't make sense they are meant to do damage and kill, and PW isn't.
-Frogspawn
LOL You utterly missed the point Frogspawn.
Obviously more Primary Magic is going to help. I was saying that PW seemed a little hard to cast rapidly considering that it is a 1st tier spell, and designed to remove attackers from melee range in combat.
Compared to the other offensive 1st tier spells, it is really hard to cast fast, which doesn't make sense they are meant to do damage and kill, and PW isn't.
>>I was saying that PW seemed a little hard to cast rapidly considering that it is a 1st tier spell, and designed to remove attackers from melee range in combat.
PW seems incredibly easy to cast considering it's amazing affectiveness at low skill levels.
Like I said, get more PM if you want to cast faster.
-Frogspawn
PW seems incredibly easy to cast considering it's amazing affectiveness at low skill levels.
Like I said, get more PM if you want to cast faster.
-Frogspawn
PW seems incredibly easy to cast considering it's amazing affectiveness at low skill levels.
What do you mean by that? I could easily cast it before, and just as easily blow things back to missile range. The only thing different for me now with the Magic 2 version, at my ranks, is how easily I can snap cast it.
What do you mean by that? I could easily cast it before, and just as easily blow things back to missile range. The only thing different for me now with the Magic 2 version, at my ranks, is how easily I can snap cast it.
PW seems incredibly easy to cast considering it's amazing affectiveness at low skill levels.
<<What do you mean by that? I could easily cast it before, and just as easily blow things back to missile range. The only thing different for me now with the Magic 2 version, at my ranks, is how easily I can snap cast it. >>
I don't know about everyone but for me the new PW seems to push very hard at low mana. Before the change a 10 mana cast at a Swamp troll would generally push him to pole range, now it pushes his to missle and quite possibly on his back. I used to take me about 20 man to push him down before so for me it is more useful. I can push a Leucro back with 5 mana and they are right at my hunting level if not a bit on the high side.
However, I do agree with you that since it's an emergency spell I would like it to be a bit more snap cast friendly. Unfortunatly a lot of our spells are less snapable than they once were. ALA, PW, AL all seem to take a bit longer than they once did. SD and GZ might have changed as well but since I generally prep them and then cast after I parry I'm not aware if their minimum prep time has changed or not. I see the reason for ALA's change but not the others.
Thoraxia
<<What do you mean by that? I could easily cast it before, and just as easily blow things back to missile range. The only thing different for me now with the Magic 2 version, at my ranks, is how easily I can snap cast it. >>
I don't know about everyone but for me the new PW seems to push very hard at low mana. Before the change a 10 mana cast at a Swamp troll would generally push him to pole range, now it pushes his to missle and quite possibly on his back. I used to take me about 20 man to push him down before so for me it is more useful. I can push a Leucro back with 5 mana and they are right at my hunting level if not a bit on the high side.
However, I do agree with you that since it's an emergency spell I would like it to be a bit more snap cast friendly. Unfortunatly a lot of our spells are less snapable than they once were. ALA, PW, AL all seem to take a bit longer than they once did. SD and GZ might have changed as well but since I generally prep them and then cast after I parry I'm not aware if their minimum prep time has changed or not. I see the reason for ALA's change but not the others.
Thoraxia
I dont see the problem people are having, hunting at my level I can knock the things back to missle with 1-2 mana generally wich I can cast as fast as I can type
What circle are you though? My concern is from the view point of a YOUNG War Mage (8th circle). I have 65 PM which is pretty high for 8th, but if I try and snap cast this 1st tier spell at the same speed I can snap something like Aether Lance, I backfire and get nerve damage.
The spell seems a little hard to snap cast for young characters, for what it does. See what I'm saying?
What circle are you though? My concern is from the view point of a YOUNG War Mage (8th circle). I have 65 PM which is pretty high for 8th, but if I try and snap cast this 1st tier spell at the same speed I can snap something like Aether Lance, I backfire and get nerve damage.
The spell seems a little hard to snap cast for young characters, for what it does. See what I'm saying?
Mazrian,
All over 30 except Charisma which is rather dismal. I'll be raiseing it alot hopefull once our new req's go in and i'm able to circle about 5 times. Would Charisma really affect my backfireing that much? I know it plays alot more in magic now but I don't know how much.
Right now I can literally go...Prep fs 9 tar cast no pause at all and I'll never backfire. With Pw which I expected it to still be a clutch spell, being one you can use in an emergancy, I figured I would be able to do the same as I can do with Fireshard.
On a side note I just went out to ogres and did about 10 casts. 5 counting to 5 1000'ths and 5 counting to 6 1000'ths. I backfired every time at 5, and succedded every time at 6, I guess I found my limit,
Kitain
All over 30 except Charisma which is rather dismal. I'll be raiseing it alot hopefull once our new req's go in and i'm able to circle about 5 times. Would Charisma really affect my backfireing that much? I know it plays alot more in magic now but I don't know how much.
Right now I can literally go...Prep fs 9 tar cast no pause at all and I'll never backfire. With Pw which I expected it to still be a clutch spell, being one you can use in an emergancy, I figured I would be able to do the same as I can do with Fireshard.
On a side note I just went out to ogres and did about 10 casts. 5 counting to 5 1000'ths and 5 counting to 6 1000'ths. I backfired every time at 5, and succedded every time at 6, I guess I found my limit,
Kitain
I believe if a spell takes longer time to be fully prepared, then it is harder to snap cast (proportionally?). Preparation level is another factor of course. Compared to two other popular first tier spells, fs and ael, PW has a much longer full preparation time (about 16~18 seconds compared to the other two around 2~4 seconds when I am testing it), so I think it is designed to be harder to snap cast, especially when one casts at higher preparation level in hope of both pushing critters away and doing some damage at the same time.
Still at lower preparation level, it appears to be very snap castable and effective though, in terms of pushing critters away to avoid that nasty multi penalty. For any direct damage instead of tactic advantages, one has to prepare higher and wait longer, which I wonder if it is a design on purpose for a first tier spell.
Just my two coppers :).
Jutus the Pushing
Still at lower preparation level, it appears to be very snap castable and effective though, in terms of pushing critters away to avoid that nasty multi penalty. For any direct damage instead of tactic advantages, one has to prepare higher and wait longer, which I wonder if it is a design on purpose for a first tier spell.
Just my two coppers :).
Jutus the Pushing
