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Bison reaches out with his hand towards you and snaps it back quickly!
The piercing screech of tortured air assaults your ears, punctuated by a sharp CRACK!!
Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
Your armet helm is slightly damaged.
You flinch as a thin red welt appears on your neck.
You are dealt a vicious stun!
ya know what im a warmie and even i think that is overpowered big time..bison is 10 circles below me..and i dont think a damn flinch is going to viciously stun me
<<Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
Your armet helm is slightly damaged.
You flinch as a thin red welt appears on your neck.
You are dealt a vicious stun!>>
Just a guess ..... Perhaps the stun isn't reduced by the ethereal shield? It could be calculating the stun duration as if you had no external damage absorption (ethereal shield)? Without the ethereal shield that probably would have been a nasty hit.
Your armet helm is slightly damaged.
You flinch as a thin red welt appears on your neck.
You are dealt a vicious stun!>>
Just a guess ..... Perhaps the stun isn't reduced by the ethereal shield? It could be calculating the stun duration as if you had no external damage absorption (ethereal shield)? Without the ethereal shield that probably would have been a nasty hit.
for one altaire dont try to start a conflict take it to another folder. second i dont know whats going on because it seems fireshard which was awesome during the preview and aether noodle which didnt work well switched around or something..now fireshard is hardly doing any damage when i used to punch holes through people and aether lash is back to cutting things apart...yeah sounds good..i still think a vicious stun for a welt on the neck is overdoing it....and fyi for pureblade bison is under my skill level by a very large margin just so ya know
Please keep in mind that it is currently winter, with snow all over....fire shards power is highly related to weather conditions....ie.fire spells good in summer, bad in winter. You will probably also find various water and electricity spells to be more effective during the current season, and less effective on dry summer days.
Anfindel
Anfindel
Waldonr, rather than calling an upper-tiered spell overpowered perhaps you should look into training your defenses a bit higher. Remember, war mages are supposed to be offensive powerhouses, I have no problem with a mage 10 circles lower than you having primary skills sufficient to overcome your tert skills.
Gizella
Gizella
>>for one altaire dont try to start a conflict take it to another folder
If I wanted to start a conflict with you, trust me, I'd have plenty of better material. I was simply stating a fact. Neck hits often stun you unless your character is particularly resistant to stuns (through training the right stats).
If I wanted to start a conflict with you, trust me, I'd have plenty of better material. I was simply stating a fact. Neck hits often stun you unless your character is particularly resistant to stuns (through training the right stats).
> How hard is it to jot down the relative numbers of the target and caster? Are people lazy, or just stupid?
Either/or.
Or they are fixated on circle as the end-all of the situation, forgetting that stats, skill ranks (targetting vs evasion), armor, vitality, previous wounds, and a thousand other random factors all have far more relevance than circle.
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Either/or.
Or they are fixated on circle as the end-all of the situation, forgetting that stats, skill ranks (targetting vs evasion), armor, vitality, previous wounds, and a thousand other random factors all have far more relevance than circle.
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>>ya know what im a warmie and even i think that is overpowered big time..bison is 10 circles below me..and i dont think a damn flinch is going to viciously stun me
Frankly, unless you had posted that he separated your head from your shoulders, your post suggests that ALA remains woefully underpowered compared to FS and AEL. I don't care if I stun something, cuts and bruises is not "severing limbs... or heads".
Are ALA and FB worth getting? I still have open spell slots.
~Katrenos
Frankly, unless you had posted that he separated your head from your shoulders, your post suggests that ALA remains woefully underpowered compared to FS and AEL. I don't care if I stun something, cuts and bruises is not "severing limbs... or heads".
Are ALA and FB worth getting? I still have open spell slots.
~Katrenos
1. Neck and head hits are more likely to stun from hits that ordinarily you would not be concerned about.
2. What is your evasion, reflex, PM (ES)?
3. What is Bison's PM, TM, Agility?
4. What was your balance and burden at the time?
5. When you say Bison is 10 circles below you, does this mean that Bison's PM is below your evasion ranks? He could be 10 circles below you but still have more PM and TM than you have evasion
Post those things and people will consider this problem with constructive remarks. Otherwise, it looks like you are trying to get a spell 'nerfed', and no one likes that, thus the responses. :\
Eldrad
Bison reaches out with his hand towards you and snaps it back quickly!
The piercing screech of tortured air assaults your ears, punctuated by a sharp CRACK!!
Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
Your armet helm is slightly damaged.
You flinch as a thin red welt appears on your neck.
You are dealt a vicious stun!
ya know what im a warmie and even i think that is overpowered big time..bison is 10 circles below me..and i dont think a damn flinch is going to viciously stun me
2. What is your evasion, reflex, PM (ES)?
3. What is Bison's PM, TM, Agility?
4. What was your balance and burden at the time?
5. When you say Bison is 10 circles below you, does this mean that Bison's PM is below your evasion ranks? He could be 10 circles below you but still have more PM and TM than you have evasion
Post those things and people will consider this problem with constructive remarks. Otherwise, it looks like you are trying to get a spell 'nerfed', and no one likes that, thus the responses. :\
Eldrad
Bison reaches out with his hand towards you and snaps it back quickly!
The piercing screech of tortured air assaults your ears, punctuated by a sharp CRACK!!
Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
Your armet helm is slightly damaged.
You flinch as a thin red welt appears on your neck.
You are dealt a vicious stun!
ya know what im a warmie and even i think that is overpowered big time..bison is 10 circles below me..and i dont think a damn flinch is going to viciously stun me
Hm.
I have to agree with Gizella - WMs should be one hit offensive killing machines. I don't know about the too lazy to train defenses part, but I know this much:
1. I've been killed by a 33rd circle WMs fire shard. I have way more evasion, armor, stamina, agility, reflex, and am 20 circles higher. Still killed me. I said it was overpowered then, I don't think so now, but yeah, it still annoys me that I was killed in that scenario. As mentioned above, randomness factors in, as does the simple offensive potentcy of the WMs. A 35th barb with good Longbow skills could probably do the same thing.
2. In a rematch PvP, I scored the first hit, and absolutely destroyed that WM. WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up. So try not to let 'em hit you first, and you should be okay. :)
Heh.
-Statis
I have to agree with Gizella - WMs should be one hit offensive killing machines. I don't know about the too lazy to train defenses part, but I know this much:
1. I've been killed by a 33rd circle WMs fire shard. I have way more evasion, armor, stamina, agility, reflex, and am 20 circles higher. Still killed me. I said it was overpowered then, I don't think so now, but yeah, it still annoys me that I was killed in that scenario. As mentioned above, randomness factors in, as does the simple offensive potentcy of the WMs. A 35th barb with good Longbow skills could probably do the same thing.
2. In a rematch PvP, I scored the first hit, and absolutely destroyed that WM. WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up. So try not to let 'em hit you first, and you should be okay. :)
Heh.
-Statis
I realize that DR is not a game that is designed for players to fight each other. Generally, player vs player combat is frowned upon.
None the less, it WILL happen. That being that case, I believe that it should at least make sense when it does.
The whole philosophy below bewilders me. Statis, HOW can you be okay with 'whoever attacks first!' as the sole determiner in combat. If someone had the same skill levels as you, I would agree. But you said yourself that this person was 20 circles BELOW you, and that your skills were "way more" higher. Assuming that is the case, you SHOULD NOT be easily dispatched by someone that far 'below' you. I don't see how you are okay with that.
I'm not saying Fire Shard is the culprit (because I know of other spells taht would probably do the same thing), but this scenario isn't right.
Eldrad
1. I've been killed by a 33rd circle WMs fire shard. I have way more evasion, armor, stamina, agility, reflex, and am 20 circles higher. Still killed me. I said it was overpowered then, I don't think so now, but yeah, it still annoys me that I was killed in that scenario. As mentioned above, randomness factors in, as does the simple offensive potentcy of the WMs. A 35th barb with good Longbow skills could probably do the same thing.
2. In a rematch PvP, I scored the first hit, and absolutely destroyed that WM. WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up. So try not to let 'em hit you first, and you should be okay. :)
Heh.
-Statis
None the less, it WILL happen. That being that case, I believe that it should at least make sense when it does.
The whole philosophy below bewilders me. Statis, HOW can you be okay with 'whoever attacks first!' as the sole determiner in combat. If someone had the same skill levels as you, I would agree. But you said yourself that this person was 20 circles BELOW you, and that your skills were "way more" higher. Assuming that is the case, you SHOULD NOT be easily dispatched by someone that far 'below' you. I don't see how you are okay with that.
I'm not saying Fire Shard is the culprit (because I know of other spells taht would probably do the same thing), but this scenario isn't right.
Eldrad
1. I've been killed by a 33rd circle WMs fire shard. I have way more evasion, armor, stamina, agility, reflex, and am 20 circles higher. Still killed me. I said it was overpowered then, I don't think so now, but yeah, it still annoys me that I was killed in that scenario. As mentioned above, randomness factors in, as does the simple offensive potentcy of the WMs. A 35th barb with good Longbow skills could probably do the same thing.
2. In a rematch PvP, I scored the first hit, and absolutely destroyed that WM. WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up. So try not to let 'em hit you first, and you should be okay. :)
Heh.
-Statis
<<The whole philosophy below bewilders me. Statis, HOW can you be okay with 'whoever attacks first!' as the sole determiner in combat. If someone had the same skill levels as you, I would agree. But you said yourself that this person was 20 circles BELOW you, and that your skills were "way more" higher. Assuming that is the case, you SHOULD NOT be easily dispatched by someone that far 'below' you. I don't see how you are okay with that>>
1. First significant, damaging hit generally wins the PvP - has always been that way.
2. How am I okay with it? I'm not, really. I learned from it, and I keep it in mind for future PvPs.
3. In 6 other tests, he was not able to deal significant damage with FS 4 times. In the other 2 scenarios, I was once stunned and the other time, killed.
4. With CoE and MaPP up, I was untouchable. Once I used the tools at my disposial, I became virtually unbeatable by him.
5. Again, I have no issues with a guild working in the paramaters of its design. A 40th barb could make short work of me, as could a well trained WM, should I allow them to hit me.
1. First significant, damaging hit generally wins the PvP - has always been that way.
2. How am I okay with it? I'm not, really. I learned from it, and I keep it in mind for future PvPs.
3. In 6 other tests, he was not able to deal significant damage with FS 4 times. In the other 2 scenarios, I was once stunned and the other time, killed.
4. With CoE and MaPP up, I was untouchable. Once I used the tools at my disposial, I became virtually unbeatable by him.
5. Again, I have no issues with a guild working in the paramaters of its design. A 40th barb could make short work of me, as could a well trained WM, should I allow them to hit me.
<<Puts the Spell Slinger (which should be Spellslinger, if you ask me) title into perspective, doesn't it?>>
Furthermore, DR is a mainly offensive game, where defense plays an "If, Then" role. If you dodge/block/parry said first attack, then you'll probably win provided you attack back. That's why Barbs have such an immense advantage in having weapons primary. Look at Paladins, armor primary - no one lives in fear of their incredible defense. :P
PvP is all in the hands of the attacker. Always has been, more than likely always will be.
-Statis
Furthermore, DR is a mainly offensive game, where defense plays an "If, Then" role. If you dodge/block/parry said first attack, then you'll probably win provided you attack back. That's why Barbs have such an immense advantage in having weapons primary. Look at Paladins, armor primary - no one lives in fear of their incredible defense. :P
PvP is all in the hands of the attacker. Always has been, more than likely always will be.
-Statis
Alot of the problem is the perception people view skills in are mostly false. IE, if somebody has 250 evasion, and his opponent has 200 target, he's most likely going to get hit, and hurt. 50 ranks is nothing in today's game. Heck, 200 ranks is nearly nothing now. Skills are so closely combined by characters in today's game that there isn't much of a descrepency. Stats are the same way, even more so, since TDP gain is pretty much halted once you reach 99th. Person with 250 evasion might have 25 reflex while opponent has 20 agility. Not much of a distance there. 3 to 5 years down the road there will be a bigger gap in the skills and stat's, then when something comes up like "So and so hit me with this spell and I have 400 more ranks and 20 more stat points than him" will be able to be looked at with more merit.
Sabashtin..
Sabashtin..
Statis, You know nothing about sparing.
<<First significant, damaging hit generally wins the PvP - has always been that way
Not really. With the right stats its easy to bounce back from any hit.
<<WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up.
SW is awesome. Bet you couldn't hit me and you're higher circle.
<<Look at Paladins, armor primary - no one lives in fear of their incredible defense. :P
Shield kicks ass. I fear paladins with expert shield.
<<PvP is all in the hands of the attacker.
Wrong again, A spar is often times all strategy and not too much skill. It might be true that if you hit me first you'll stun and i might be dead meat but in order for that to happen you must first point me out of hiding which gives me a couple seconds to dismantle you.
Mord
<<First significant, damaging hit generally wins the PvP - has always been that way
Not really. With the right stats its easy to bounce back from any hit.
<<WMs are about as hard to hit as the broad-side of a barn, even with the defensive spells up.
SW is awesome. Bet you couldn't hit me and you're higher circle.
<<Look at Paladins, armor primary - no one lives in fear of their incredible defense. :P
Shield kicks ass. I fear paladins with expert shield.
<<PvP is all in the hands of the attacker.
Wrong again, A spar is often times all strategy and not too much skill. It might be true that if you hit me first you'll stun and i might be dead meat but in order for that to happen you must first point me out of hiding which gives me a couple seconds to dismantle you.
Mord
<<Not really. With the right stats its easy to bounce back from any hit>>
Uh huh...did you miss the "generally" in my post?
<<SW is awesome. Bet you couldn't hit me and you're higher circle.>>
You're welcome to try and dodge ChS, though I will admit it is possible for you to do so. I'd suggest AC over SW for magical combat. But do you think you're going to dodge a barb with good longbow skills and an old capped ebony? More than likely not. You can still be hit with SW up, and furthermore, no one said the spell was bad. Secondly, in an ambush scenario (rare in prime) putting up the buffers generally doesn't happen. Many WMs go straight for Fire Shard. I'm sorry, but offense/hiding rules in DR. That's why MMs are the ultimate assassins, save for the tender machinations of a roar to pull them out of RF.
I was not trying to "dis" your guild with the broad side of the barn statement. In fact, I think WMs are very strong and are to be feared and respected. It's just that I am subject to the same evasion tert limitations and I know the horror of them.
<<Shield kicks ass. I fear paladins with expert shield.>>
As Pureblade said, why?
<<Wrong again, A spar is often times all strategy and not too much skill. It might be true that if you hit me first you'll stun and i might be dead meat but in order for that to happen you must first point me out of hiding which gives me a couple seconds to dismantle you.>>
And how are you not the attacker in that scenario and I not the defender? And how are you not relying on the one-hit stun or kill tactic in that scenario? Never once did I say more ranks/circle/stats = victory. In fact, I was saying that without proper buffing time, a lower WM/MM/Barb could quite concievably defeat me with the correct tactics - e.g. hide, cast.
I maintain my previous statements.
-Statis
Uh huh...did you miss the "generally" in my post?
<<SW is awesome. Bet you couldn't hit me and you're higher circle.>>
You're welcome to try and dodge ChS, though I will admit it is possible for you to do so. I'd suggest AC over SW for magical combat. But do you think you're going to dodge a barb with good longbow skills and an old capped ebony? More than likely not. You can still be hit with SW up, and furthermore, no one said the spell was bad. Secondly, in an ambush scenario (rare in prime) putting up the buffers generally doesn't happen. Many WMs go straight for Fire Shard. I'm sorry, but offense/hiding rules in DR. That's why MMs are the ultimate assassins, save for the tender machinations of a roar to pull them out of RF.
I was not trying to "dis" your guild with the broad side of the barn statement. In fact, I think WMs are very strong and are to be feared and respected. It's just that I am subject to the same evasion tert limitations and I know the horror of them.
<<Shield kicks ass. I fear paladins with expert shield.>>
As Pureblade said, why?
<<Wrong again, A spar is often times all strategy and not too much skill. It might be true that if you hit me first you'll stun and i might be dead meat but in order for that to happen you must first point me out of hiding which gives me a couple seconds to dismantle you.>>
And how are you not the attacker in that scenario and I not the defender? And how are you not relying on the one-hit stun or kill tactic in that scenario? Never once did I say more ranks/circle/stats = victory. In fact, I was saying that without proper buffing time, a lower WM/MM/Barb could quite concievably defeat me with the correct tactics - e.g. hide, cast.
I maintain my previous statements.
-Statis
>>Aether Lash, Lighting Bolt, Fire Ball, Fire Shard, Fire Rain, Static Discharge, Fist of Stone, Frost Sycthe are allllll over powered. Please downtweak. We should not be able to damage critters with these spells, only scratch.
While you're at it please downtweak sure footing, frost bite, earthsense, vertigo, and the cantrips.
Thank you
While you're at it please downtweak sure footing, frost bite, earthsense, vertigo, and the cantrips.
Thank you
