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I would just like to take back everything bad I ever said about this spell. See WM crits folder for details.
Steel.
Please do not post messages or suggestions in the Guild Guru area here or anywhere else on the boards. - GM Dalzien
If this has been said before, then it needs to be said again, because it's still working strange.
Okay, just so I understand everything correctly(from spell descrips, asking NPCs, etc.), the only real way to totally avoid being hit by frostbite, was to have mantle of flame up and active... Unless you used a low powered cast, then an ethereal shield should be sufficient to protect. An ES will lower the effect from a massive frostbite if no mantle of flame is up.
Now es, with enough skill, can hit your group. This gives a warmage the ability to shield his group, and cast low powered frostbites on the critters, hopefully not hurting his friends. The mage could NEVER cast a 50 mana frostbite unless he was alone, or with another mage using mantle of flame, because ES just wouldn't be enough to protect that much....
....but now, the true way has been discovered to protect your friends (or even yourself) from that nasty frostbite!... Just hide!... That's right, hide!
All you need to do to completely and effectively shield yourself from the frostbite spell, is just to hide.
/sarcasm off..maybe
I was spending some time with my only acquaintance in the realms (he's a ranger) when I discovered this. Basicly I was going to mow down 5 mobs with frostbite, so I could train a lesser weapon (the best, and one of the few uses for this spell). I forget what happened, I think I told him to leave, but he said 'naah, just wait for me to stalk you, that'll keep me safe'.. I counterpointed that I can no longer keep large frostbites from hitting people in my group, and his ES wouldn't be enough. He insisted...
...fine, dumb lil thing, I'll cover him with ice just like the mobs, that'll learn him.
cast
*cambrinth goes snap* (40 mana in a cambrinth orb)
Ice crystals! Mob1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are coated in thick frost, and crumple to the ground.
I hear the voice of my ally say, "See? Missed by a mile"... That really confused me... So I immediately ordered a round of tests... Here are the results..
#1: Low mana frostbite, both ethereally shielded, unhidden, grouped.. crackling ethereal shields.
#2: Low mana, both shielded, unhidden, ungrouped. Looked very similiar to test #1, Generally protected us both, 1 cast did lightly brush him when I used an extra mana point.
#3: High mana, both shielded, unhidden, grouped, mantle on me. Mantle goes 'hissssss', I feel a cold breeze. Ranger goes '(teeth chattery noises)', and slumps to the ground covered in frost. His ethereal shield made its presence known, but this frostbite had a lot of mana in it.
#4: High mana, both shielded, ranger first hid and stalked me. Mantle hisses again, ranger's voice from shadows confirms the frostbite didn't hit him... Very strange...
#5: The ultimate test.. The most powerful frostbite available, not always useful in crowds(did i say crowds? i meant swarms), due to just how long it takes to set up and execute. Steps listed..
5a:Cast 'rising mists', considerable energy... Hear 'SKOOSH' noise as mantle is snuffed, and fog vanishes.
5b:Cast 'rising mists',...again... with gobs of mana... Moments later, the entire area is covered in a dense, unnatural fog, so much that all obvious exits are hidden. Translation: VERY FOGGY.
5c:Recast 'mantle of flame' since it is still all that can stop this much ice.
5d:Prep frostbite at massive mana, confirm readiness of ranger/guinea pig, thank him for bravery.
5e:Search and find ranger, disband stalkers. Theory being that if he was protected because he was in my group and hiding, that being disbanded wouldn't protect him. Also, I could understand maybe evading some frost by being in hiding (by a far stretch of the imagination) of an UN-misted frostbite, but since this fog permeates everything, even hiding places, there is no way to evade it.
5f: Cast!
Temperature drops suddenly, with a flash, all the fog turns into ice instantly, freezing everything and anything. Except me, who had the mantle of flame to protect me......... And the ranger... Who had NOTHING to protect him.. (Maybe the mossy log he was hiding behind?)
The conclusion of these tests? As said earlier, the one true way to receive complete and total protection from frostbite, is to hide(or use mantle, if you're elementally biased). This should obviously be a bug or a mistake, and should really get cleared up.
There is absolutely no way in creation to hide from fog swirling around you, and then magically being turned to ice. Basic options (should be) are to leave when you see the mist, or throw up mantle quick to protect... Ducking behind a tree should not be a viable option for escape.
And before anyone starts going 'But this should not be! Mages should not have a way to pull me from hiding like that!!!'... Fine, whatever, I don't care... Have it your way, being covered in frost and falling over from the sheer shock and exhaustion of it..... let's have it not pull you out of hiding....
But you should pretty damn well be ON THE GROUND AND EXHAUSTED after the spell hits you...
I personally think when this error is fixed, it should take people out of hiding, or refractive fields, or any guild-related vanishing act that by definition requires you to be focused and concentrating intently on it. If you're covered in ice, and every pore of your body is screaming "AAAHHHH!!!COLD!!AUGHNO!!COLD!!!ACK!!!GETITOFFOFFOFF!!!!AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!", I think your concentration and focus should likely be hindered, enough even to cancel those abilities.
Any magic-biased members of the GM team who wants to look at, test, or fix this problem (Or spark a hot debate with 'That's not a bug, it's an intended feature'), please do so at your earliest opportunity.
PS:Who had the briliant idea to make rising mists cancel mantle of flame? Was it to make difficult the setup combo of rising mists and frostbite if you already had a mantle up? I can wade through waist-high water, swim in chest-deep water, and the spell remains. It is only snuffed out by being submerged in water, yet some fog ruins it..
Okay, just so I understand everything correctly(from spell descrips, asking NPCs, etc.), the only real way to totally avoid being hit by frostbite, was to have mantle of flame up and active... Unless you used a low powered cast, then an ethereal shield should be sufficient to protect. An ES will lower the effect from a massive frostbite if no mantle of flame is up.
Now es, with enough skill, can hit your group. This gives a warmage the ability to shield his group, and cast low powered frostbites on the critters, hopefully not hurting his friends. The mage could NEVER cast a 50 mana frostbite unless he was alone, or with another mage using mantle of flame, because ES just wouldn't be enough to protect that much....
....but now, the true way has been discovered to protect your friends (or even yourself) from that nasty frostbite!... Just hide!... That's right, hide!
All you need to do to completely and effectively shield yourself from the frostbite spell, is just to hide.
/sarcasm off..maybe
I was spending some time with my only acquaintance in the realms (he's a ranger) when I discovered this. Basicly I was going to mow down 5 mobs with frostbite, so I could train a lesser weapon (the best, and one of the few uses for this spell). I forget what happened, I think I told him to leave, but he said 'naah, just wait for me to stalk you, that'll keep me safe'.. I counterpointed that I can no longer keep large frostbites from hitting people in my group, and his ES wouldn't be enough. He insisted...
...fine, dumb lil thing, I'll cover him with ice just like the mobs, that'll learn him.
cast
*cambrinth goes snap* (40 mana in a cambrinth orb)
Ice crystals! Mob1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are coated in thick frost, and crumple to the ground.
I hear the voice of my ally say, "See? Missed by a mile"... That really confused me... So I immediately ordered a round of tests... Here are the results..
#1: Low mana frostbite, both ethereally shielded, unhidden, grouped.. crackling ethereal shields.
#2: Low mana, both shielded, unhidden, ungrouped. Looked very similiar to test #1, Generally protected us both, 1 cast did lightly brush him when I used an extra mana point.
#3: High mana, both shielded, unhidden, grouped, mantle on me. Mantle goes 'hissssss', I feel a cold breeze. Ranger goes '(teeth chattery noises)', and slumps to the ground covered in frost. His ethereal shield made its presence known, but this frostbite had a lot of mana in it.
#4: High mana, both shielded, ranger first hid and stalked me. Mantle hisses again, ranger's voice from shadows confirms the frostbite didn't hit him... Very strange...
#5: The ultimate test.. The most powerful frostbite available, not always useful in crowds(did i say crowds? i meant swarms), due to just how long it takes to set up and execute. Steps listed..
5a:Cast 'rising mists', considerable energy... Hear 'SKOOSH' noise as mantle is snuffed, and fog vanishes.
5b:Cast 'rising mists',...again... with gobs of mana... Moments later, the entire area is covered in a dense, unnatural fog, so much that all obvious exits are hidden. Translation: VERY FOGGY.
5c:Recast 'mantle of flame' since it is still all that can stop this much ice.
5d:Prep frostbite at massive mana, confirm readiness of ranger/guinea pig, thank him for bravery.
5e:Search and find ranger, disband stalkers. Theory being that if he was protected because he was in my group and hiding, that being disbanded wouldn't protect him. Also, I could understand maybe evading some frost by being in hiding (by a far stretch of the imagination) of an UN-misted frostbite, but since this fog permeates everything, even hiding places, there is no way to evade it.
5f: Cast!
Temperature drops suddenly, with a flash, all the fog turns into ice instantly, freezing everything and anything. Except me, who had the mantle of flame to protect me......... And the ranger... Who had NOTHING to protect him.. (Maybe the mossy log he was hiding behind?)
The conclusion of these tests? As said earlier, the one true way to receive complete and total protection from frostbite, is to hide(or use mantle, if you're elementally biased). This should obviously be a bug or a mistake, and should really get cleared up.
There is absolutely no way in creation to hide from fog swirling around you, and then magically being turned to ice. Basic options (should be) are to leave when you see the mist, or throw up mantle quick to protect... Ducking behind a tree should not be a viable option for escape.
And before anyone starts going 'But this should not be! Mages should not have a way to pull me from hiding like that!!!'... Fine, whatever, I don't care... Have it your way, being covered in frost and falling over from the sheer shock and exhaustion of it..... let's have it not pull you out of hiding....
But you should pretty damn well be ON THE GROUND AND EXHAUSTED after the spell hits you...
I personally think when this error is fixed, it should take people out of hiding, or refractive fields, or any guild-related vanishing act that by definition requires you to be focused and concentrating intently on it. If you're covered in ice, and every pore of your body is screaming "AAAHHHH!!!COLD!!AUGHNO!!COLD!!!ACK!!!GETITOFFOFFOFF!!!!AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!", I think your concentration and focus should likely be hindered, enough even to cancel those abilities.
Any magic-biased members of the GM team who wants to look at, test, or fix this problem (Or spark a hot debate with 'That's not a bug, it's an intended feature'), please do so at your earliest opportunity.
PS:Who had the briliant idea to make rising mists cancel mantle of flame? Was it to make difficult the setup combo of rising mists and frostbite if you already had a mantle up? I can wade through waist-high water, swim in chest-deep water, and the spell remains. It is only snuffed out by being submerged in water, yet some fog ruins it..
>>The conclusion of these tests? As said earlier, the one true way to receive complete and total protection from frostbite, is to hide(or use mantle, if you're elementally biased). This should obviously be a bug or a mistake, and should really get cleared up.
It's an entirely different bug which is causing your problem.
-Frogspawn
Dragonrealms 2: Because even Simutronics deserves a second chance.
It's an entirely different bug which is causing your problem.
-Frogspawn
Dragonrealms 2: Because even Simutronics deserves a second chance.
>He doesn’t have ES, I do, he’s in hiding
You are preparing the Frostbite spell at ten mana.
Roundtime: 5 seconds
>cas
You gesture.
The mana you were holding contributes to the spell.
Your golden panther seems to make your Frostbite spell less straining.
Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
Fvfour gasps in shock as his body is coated with thick frost!
Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
You hear the voice of Fvfour say, "ow"
>40 prep FRB I’m in hiding
You sense the Ethereal Shield spell upon you, which should last for at least an anlas and seven roisaen.
Fvfour gestures.
Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
Fvfour's Mantle of Flame flares outward in a roaring hiss of steam!
No check at all on me, same thing happened when he hid with es and I cast.
>I’m in hiding, with ES
Fvfour gestures.
A great clap of thunder booms through the area, rattling the teeth in your jaw.
Fvfour's Mantle of Flame flares and sizzles brightly!
The noise rocks your body, shaking your chest and head with its force!
It looks like being in hiding is allowing the ES vs frostbite check to be bypassed completely. I think this fits with the results the original poster had, though I can't vouch for the presence of ES on the ranger, I'm tempted to believe it was there. Anyway, that's what I've got.
Spart
You are preparing the Frostbite spell at ten mana.
Roundtime: 5 seconds
>cas
You gesture.
The mana you were holding contributes to the spell.
Your golden panther seems to make your Frostbite spell less straining.
Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
Fvfour gasps in shock as his body is coated with thick frost!
Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
You hear the voice of Fvfour say, "ow"
>40 prep FRB I’m in hiding
You sense the Ethereal Shield spell upon you, which should last for at least an anlas and seven roisaen.
Fvfour gestures.
Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
Fvfour's Mantle of Flame flares outward in a roaring hiss of steam!
No check at all on me, same thing happened when he hid with es and I cast.
>I’m in hiding, with ES
Fvfour gestures.
A great clap of thunder booms through the area, rattling the teeth in your jaw.
Fvfour's Mantle of Flame flares and sizzles brightly!
The noise rocks your body, shaking your chest and head with its force!
It looks like being in hiding is allowing the ES vs frostbite check to be bypassed completely. I think this fits with the results the original poster had, though I can't vouch for the presence of ES on the ranger, I'm tempted to believe it was there. Anyway, that's what I've got.
Spart
Allright, so I didn't wait for the ES to fade then try again. That must be the combination... You need ES AND to be in hiding to completely avoid frostbite.. Or have mantle on.
Oh, and spart....
Your golden panther seems to make your Frostbite spell less straining.
Can you explain that one to me? Seems I might have missed something else somewhere along the line.
Oh, and spart....
Your golden panther seems to make your Frostbite spell less straining.
Can you explain that one to me? Seems I might have missed something else somewhere along the line.
>Hiding does not make you invulnerable to frostbite.
When did they fix it? As of 2 days ago, during my test, it protected the ranger. Though someone might have accurately pointed out hiding only protects you if you have an ethereal shield also, which the ranger did. NO ES can save you from a high cast of frostbite unhidden, which is why I asked for this bug to be fixed.
Also, about the fir familiars, if there's no aether one, and you've listed all but 2 of them, what book does a lynx help you cast from, fire or electricity?
And whichever one it does, does anybody know which animal does the other one? These are some interesting things to take note of and remember. Could declare myself an earth mage if I ever get a bear, or a wind mage if I get an owl, or etc. :P
When did they fix it? As of 2 days ago, during my test, it protected the ranger. Though someone might have accurately pointed out hiding only protects you if you have an ethereal shield also, which the ranger did. NO ES can save you from a high cast of frostbite unhidden, which is why I asked for this bug to be fixed.
Also, about the fir familiars, if there's no aether one, and you've listed all but 2 of them, what book does a lynx help you cast from, fire or electricity?
And whichever one it does, does anybody know which animal does the other one? These are some interesting things to take note of and remember. Could declare myself an earth mage if I ever get a bear, or a wind mage if I get an owl, or etc. :P
>>>You need ES AND to be in hiding to completely avoid frostbite<<<
>>>Doesn't Frostbite still suffer from a bug that prevents it from affecting people who enter after you? Or who were there before? Or somethinG?<<<
I'll look into it, but thus far haven't been able to reproduce it. This only occurs with players, correct? Not creatures as well? If someone can pin down exactly what the criteria is, it'd help me (or Talian or Valdrik) squish this bug.
Rigby
>>>Doesn't Frostbite still suffer from a bug that prevents it from affecting people who enter after you? Or who were there before? Or somethinG?<<<
I'll look into it, but thus far haven't been able to reproduce it. This only occurs with players, correct? Not creatures as well? If someone can pin down exactly what the criteria is, it'd help me (or Talian or Valdrik) squish this bug.
Rigby
>>I'll look into it, but thus far haven't been able to reproduce it. This only occurs with players, correct? Not creatures as well? If someone can pin down exactly what the criteria is, it'd help me (or Talian or Valdrik) squish this bug.
The frostbite spell only affects players who enter the room after you, when you have ES up.
-Frogspawn
Dragonrealms 2: Because even Simutronics deserves a second chance.
The frostbite spell only affects players who enter the room after you, when you have ES up.
-Frogspawn
Dragonrealms 2: Because even Simutronics deserves a second chance.
I had the frostbite bug occur once against someone in hiding, first time I cast FRB I didn't have my ES up <g>:
>>You gesture.
>Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
>You involuntarily gasp as your body is coated with thick frost!
>XXXXXXXX gasps in shock as his body is coated with thick frost!
After ES:
>You gesture.
>Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
>Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
>Roundtime: 2 seconds
Both times the other person was in hiding, yet he wasn't hit on the second cast. While posting this I just noticed how I only got RT on second cast too. Thanks for looking into the bug Rigby.
Kelyan
>>You gesture.
>Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
>You involuntarily gasp as your body is coated with thick frost!
>XXXXXXXX gasps in shock as his body is coated with thick frost!
After ES:
>You gesture.
>Ice crystals begin to form in the air.
>Your ethereal shield crackles with energy!
>Roundtime: 2 seconds
Both times the other person was in hiding, yet he wasn't hit on the second cast. While posting this I just noticed how I only got RT on second cast too. Thanks for looking into the bug Rigby.
Kelyan
