Can the scholarship teaching from origami be up'ed just a little? Or atleast investigated in comparison to its mech teaching? There are few good, non guild ways, to learn scholarship. Rather than go through 10+ papers to lock scholarship (while only 2 lock my mech lore, which is 30 ranks higher) I was wondering if scholarship might be taught at more steps durring the process (so instead of on the first fold and last fold, the first fold, last fold, and at the 25/50/75 finished marks).
It may be an outlandish request, but I would appreciate its investigation.
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 07:22 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 07:50 PM CDT
Try this, Constatine.
Do the first folds on however many it takes to lock, or at least move, your scholarship, and as you do each one, put it in a seperate container, then once you get it up there, go back and do the remaining folds to move your mech.
Hell, for the relatively low cost of envelopes, it might be worth it just to do the first fold for scholarship, then the second fold for mech, and toss the paper away, just to get the skills moving.
It's going to be difficult to keep scholarship moving when it only takes one study to get the first fold, but it takes several folds to make the end item.
~Bre
Blood flows red. Without skin, we're all brothers.
Do the first folds on however many it takes to lock, or at least move, your scholarship, and as you do each one, put it in a seperate container, then once you get it up there, go back and do the remaining folds to move your mech.
Hell, for the relatively low cost of envelopes, it might be worth it just to do the first fold for scholarship, then the second fold for mech, and toss the paper away, just to get the skills moving.
It's going to be difficult to keep scholarship moving when it only takes one study to get the first fold, but it takes several folds to make the end item.
~Bre
Blood flows red. Without skin, we're all brothers.
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 08:45 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 09:35 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 11:41 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/14/2004 11:49 PM CDT
I realize the fire and forget method for learning scholarship, I just hope some investigation would make the teaching closer per paper though. Is that a bit too outlandish for a request though?
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 07:02 AM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 11:03 AM CDT
Yikes, my scholarship/mech are only 40 ranks off. Im just sad theres no other way to train it beyond sitting down at the library or going through 10+ papers rapidly.
200 rank difference..your on your own.
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
200 rank difference..your on your own.
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 01:36 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 01:53 PM CDT
im prety much in the same situation mags, try carving bows.
Celestica moves a stone mortar labeled "NotCelestiaa" to his right hand.
You tap a hollow ram's horn labeled "NotCelestica" that you are wearing.
* Celestiaa was just struck down!
* Celestica was just struck down!
* Celesi was just struck down!
Celestica moves a stone mortar labeled "NotCelestiaa" to his right hand.
You tap a hollow ram's horn labeled "NotCelestica" that you are wearing.
* Celestiaa was just struck down!
* Celestica was just struck down!
* Celesi was just struck down!
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 02:00 PM CDT
Bleh, looking for an anti social method of learning scholarship is all. *shakes his fist*. Patterns dont do much of anything, and im not of XYZ guilds with great guild only measures of learning scholarship either (despite sharing the same lore ranking as most of em).
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
~~From Hell
"Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I'll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way."- Alfred Noyes
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/15/2004 10:42 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/16/2004 12:46 AM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/17/2004 12:32 AM CDT
<<I have sub 100 shcolarship and 300+ mech. I would like the scholarship requirement removed so I can learn mech at the 300+ level from origami>>
If you want I will fold hundreds of papers for you at whatever pattern you want, Currently Im in Aesry if you wana contact me. Im not learning mech especially well from folding vultures so Im trying to concentrate on learning scholarship.
Madas, the gem shop Gnome
If you want I will fold hundreds of papers for you at whatever pattern you want, Currently Im in Aesry if you wana contact me. Im not learning mech especially well from folding vultures so Im trying to concentrate on learning scholarship.
Madas, the gem shop Gnome
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/17/2004 12:37 AM CDT
>If you want I will fold hundreds of papers for you at whatever pattern you want, Currently Im in Aesry if you wana contact me. Im not learning mech especially well from folding vultures so Im trying to concentrate on learning scholarship.
Heh, same here. If anyone wants to supply the envelopes, I'll do the first fold on hundreds of whatever you want. That's what I'm doing now anyways, except I'm throwing away all the papers after the first fold. The rest of the folds aren't even worth my time, they teach so little mech lore.
Apu
Heh, same here. If anyone wants to supply the envelopes, I'll do the first fold on hundreds of whatever you want. That's what I'm doing now anyways, except I'm throwing away all the papers after the first fold. The rest of the folds aren't even worth my time, they teach so little mech lore.
Apu
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/17/2004 05:45 AM CDT
SWEET! Thank you both. I am in crossings just now. Since I have not been able to learn mech through them, I am not sure what pattern is best. What teaches best at 316? Oh and I will pay a premium for first folded origami. 200 fist folds for 10 plats. That seem fair? If not name a price. And only 200 cause I have to keep below 500 items.
Master Weaponsmith Magdar Bluefletch of M'Riss.
Master Weaponsmith Magdar Bluefletch of M'Riss.
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/19/2004 03:17 PM CDT
Re: Origami-Scholarship on 05/22/2004 10:18 AM CDT
>>Bleh, looking for an anti social method of learning scholarship is all. *shakes his fist*. Patterns dont do much of anything,
Scholarship: 162 17% clear
Scholarship: 162 18% muddled
While I agree patterns don't teach anywhere near as well as origami teaches mech, Patterns are a much cheaper alternative to spellbooks and they do work fairly well. You may have much more scholarship then me so this may be pointless for you, but I usually keep my scholarship muddled or perplexed the entire time I hunt, just a sword in one hand, and a pattern in the other, I just study the pattern once every 65-70 seconds (the timer is 60 seconds for you to forget the first study). I don't use the method of repeatedly studying back to back 5 or 6 times until I've memorized the pattern, I don't find I learn well that way, just study once and wait until you forget it, then repeat. It's a slow process, but usually by the time I've mindlocked all my combats I'm at least perplexed in scholarship, and it's easy to maintain once it gets up there.
Also if you are just sitting around listening to a class, using a pattern at the same time you should see a noticable increase in how fast you fill your pool. This is usually the only way I can get to mind locked using patterns.
And as far as learning more scholarship from origami, how about limiting the number of folds you can do per study so you would have to study more then once per piece of paper:
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions and do your first fold
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You are unsure of where the next fold should be
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions working on the next folds
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You are unsure of where the next fold should be
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions working on the next folds
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You complete the final fold . . .
so instead of studying once and memorizing all the folds at once, you have to break it up to just memorizing a few folds at a time.
Scholarship: 162 17% clear
Scholarship: 162 18% muddled
While I agree patterns don't teach anywhere near as well as origami teaches mech, Patterns are a much cheaper alternative to spellbooks and they do work fairly well. You may have much more scholarship then me so this may be pointless for you, but I usually keep my scholarship muddled or perplexed the entire time I hunt, just a sword in one hand, and a pattern in the other, I just study the pattern once every 65-70 seconds (the timer is 60 seconds for you to forget the first study). I don't use the method of repeatedly studying back to back 5 or 6 times until I've memorized the pattern, I don't find I learn well that way, just study once and wait until you forget it, then repeat. It's a slow process, but usually by the time I've mindlocked all my combats I'm at least perplexed in scholarship, and it's easy to maintain once it gets up there.
Also if you are just sitting around listening to a class, using a pattern at the same time you should see a noticable increase in how fast you fill your pool. This is usually the only way I can get to mind locked using patterns.
And as far as learning more scholarship from origami, how about limiting the number of folds you can do per study so you would have to study more then once per piece of paper:
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions and do your first fold
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You are unsure of where the next fold should be
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions working on the next folds
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You are unsure of where the next fold should be
study my silverfish instructions -> You study the instructions working on the next folds
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You continue to fold . . .
fold my paper -> You complete the final fold . . .
so instead of studying once and memorizing all the folds at once, you have to break it up to just memorizing a few folds at a time.