I think that's more an issue with the Paladin Guild. I'd hate for them to come up with a new guild just to mirror Paladins. It'd be nice if there was a sect for dark Paladins or something, similar to how Moonies have different sects and such.


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Barring a miracle that would drastically change the way the armor skillset functions, I don't expect to see another armor prime guild. It's the skillset which is the most limited in its scope, as the only function it serves is "lessen or avoid damage". But "lessen or avoid damage" is a function that can be performed by the weapon, magic, and survival skillsets as well, not to mention those skillsets serve a multitude of other purposes. Even lore has more varied utility ("appraise items", "create stuff", "teach people", etc), though obviously it has nothing to do with combat.

All this is to say.. if the GMs were to put all this work into creating a new guild, the would not make it armor prime, because of the obvious repellent effect it would have on potential new members. I think you might be better off going for a paladin sect.. maybe a secret guildhall of fallen paladins.

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Well, I don't see armor prime being undesirable in any respect what so ever.. I mean, just arm-worn tower shield and wearing platemail functionably without spells is enough to make me want it really bad. So I don't see how you can its limited. You learn armor faster, it's a very nice thing. You show me another guild that can wear HP and use tower shields and not find it a bother after awhile. Maybe it is just me, but that'd be like a dream, I'd be a Paladin in a heartbeat if not for the soul stuff.

You chopped that up a little there Acmegamer. The original post that you quoted said heavy armor and a tower shield without it getting anyoing. THat is not a WM. Or at least not most WMs


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<<I'd like to disagree and also say that we need another Armor prime guild and another Weapon prime guild. As it is now we have 3 Magic Prime guilds, 3 Lore Prime guilds, 2 Survival prime guilds 1 armor prime and 1 weapon prime. See the imbalance?>>

Not at all, and in fact the distribution confirms what I said about skillsets and their scope. Take magic for example... with the magic skillset the question is not "what does magic do" it's "what can magic NOT do". Magic has limitless possibilities because the idea is so broad. Magic can do things for weapons, armor, survivals, and lore...because it's "magic". Lore is a broad idea as well, and it covers things from music to trading to empathy etc. Lore is kind of a strange one, in that it has vast potential but seems underdeveloped at present. Survival is quite broad... but ask any ranger or thief and they'll likely tell you that ability sharing is getting a little close for comfort. Basically.. rangers get perks and focus on the skills involving the wilderness.. and thieves cities and stealth. But there's lots of overlap. With weapons and armor, you've got such a narrow definition for the skillsets that creating a new guild based on either skillset would almost necessarily be a copycat guild of barbs or paladins. That, or suddenly the new guild would be "better" with certain weapons and armor than the existing ones... essentially splitting the existing guild instead of creating an all-new unique one.

Now to be constructive... I've always been a proponent of broadening the weapon and armor skillsets. Weapon skillset could be called "offense" and the woefully narrow armor skillset could be renamed "battle maneuvers". If you expand the skillset to cover a broader range of activities, then you begin on the path toward being able to incorporate new guilds which are not merely clones with different ideologies.

~Caneghem Urathi

I simplified it because it's true, a warrior mage can and often do wear heavy armor well. They can also do a large shield though they don't quite get the protection from it that a Paladin can swing, which doesn't nulify my point. (shrugs)

Jim

>>As a warmie your relying on a spell with a limited duration in order to pull it off.

Actually I do keep YS maxed and use SF max cast as well, but other than that I don't cast a lot of spells and actually when I'm trying to learn evasion I tend to not even use SF and YS. :Shrugs:

Jim

LOL!

Jim, no comment. ;>



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