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My guess is you dont. When you kill four critters over a period of time using a spell like fire ball you likely pulse away some of that target experience. With 40s in my mentals I drain target at a furious rate and rarely keep it locked. I dont see a big boost when killing two malchatas vs killing one malchata with CL. My guess is ancedotal and Im hoping someone with a more analytical mind, like Gizella chimes in on this. Is a good question and I hope a proficient tester gives us a definative answer.
Rys
That would be my suspicion as well, that you gain the same amount of absorbed experience, it only lloks like more because it is all going into your pool at once, instead of over multiple pulses.
The best way to test, for someone with CL, would be to empty your TM pool entirely, then mark down the exact complete experience level, XXX XX.XX%; then go get 4 creatures, kill them with CL, and let your pool drain completely, and mark the total gain down; then go and kill 4 of the same creatures with single-target TM spells, let your pool drain out again, and see if there is a difference in the actual skill gain.
Of course, this would be best if you didn't gain any TM ranks between tests; and running both tests multiple times to get an average to deal with the random differences in the health of the creatures generated...
~Kyn (Kynevon)
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The best way to test, for someone with CL, would be to empty your TM pool entirely, then mark down the exact complete experience level, XXX XX.XX%; then go get 4 creatures, kill them with CL, and let your pool drain completely, and mark the total gain down; then go and kill 4 of the same creatures with single-target TM spells, let your pool drain out again, and see if there is a difference in the actual skill gain.
Of course, this would be best if you didn't gain any TM ranks between tests; and running both tests multiple times to get an average to deal with the random differences in the health of the creatures generated...
~Kyn (Kynevon)
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"We're not lost. We're just geographically confused." Brian, KoDT
>My guess is you dont.
>Rys
>That would be my suspicion as well,
>Kyn
Kyn and Rys, why do you lack confidence in the great and powerful tessaa?
<sigh>
I'll post some logs here shortly for those people who assume I'm an idiot.
But yes, killing 4 creatures with CL teaches more than killing 4 with fire ball.
Player of Tessaa
>Rys
>That would be my suspicion as well,
>Kyn
Kyn and Rys, why do you lack confidence in the great and powerful tessaa?
<sigh>
I'll post some logs here shortly for those people who assume I'm an idiot.
But yes, killing 4 creatures with CL teaches more than killing 4 with fire ball.
Player of Tessaa
Kyn and Rys,
When I post and say something works the way it does...it's because I tested it.
Let's be clear...I enjoy your feedback. I want you to doubt me. I want you to prove me wrong.
However, please don't just toss out random comments trying to discredit me. Test it out yourself and prove me wrong. If I'm posting on it....I allready tested it.
So again, in the future, don't just say I'm wrong after I've tested it and you haven't. Test it out yourself, then post. Otherwise you're just wasting time and slowing down the process.
Now back to discussion at hand...
As for plinking away...
1. I just tested. You do NOT get a base amount of exp for each attack. EXP is based solely on damage dealt.
2. Plinking still does teach more.
I think plinking teaches more because let's say a creature has X hit points. Also, you can only do Y damage to it's chest before it dies from a chest crit. Y < X. Therefore, if you spread the damage out, you can do more damage to a creature than if you put it all in one place.
So we can go with GZ or FS. FS is the suck. GZ requires a free hand.
VALDRIK,
Any plans to give us a single target TM spell on par with FB (or even better, AlA) and teaches on par with CL? I feel like I'm wasting my time now when I kill creatures one at a time. It's like a waste of creatures. I guess I could stow my weapon and use GZ. Or will the splash damage change with FB maybe address this?
I guess I'm just saying that TM spells like aether lash and fire ball don't teach as well as FR and CL and I feel like I'm wasting creatures when I kill them with FB or AlA. Just tossing that out there so you GM folks know the situation.
Player of Tessaa
When I post and say something works the way it does...it's because I tested it.
Let's be clear...I enjoy your feedback. I want you to doubt me. I want you to prove me wrong.
However, please don't just toss out random comments trying to discredit me. Test it out yourself and prove me wrong. If I'm posting on it....I allready tested it.
So again, in the future, don't just say I'm wrong after I've tested it and you haven't. Test it out yourself, then post. Otherwise you're just wasting time and slowing down the process.
Now back to discussion at hand...
As for plinking away...
1. I just tested. You do NOT get a base amount of exp for each attack. EXP is based solely on damage dealt.
2. Plinking still does teach more.
I think plinking teaches more because let's say a creature has X hit points. Also, you can only do Y damage to it's chest before it dies from a chest crit. Y < X. Therefore, if you spread the damage out, you can do more damage to a creature than if you put it all in one place.
So we can go with GZ or FS. FS is the suck. GZ requires a free hand.
VALDRIK,
Any plans to give us a single target TM spell on par with FB (or even better, AlA) and teaches on par with CL? I feel like I'm wasting my time now when I kill creatures one at a time. It's like a waste of creatures. I guess I could stow my weapon and use GZ. Or will the splash damage change with FB maybe address this?
I guess I'm just saying that TM spells like aether lash and fire ball don't teach as well as FR and CL and I feel like I'm wasting creatures when I kill them with FB or AlA. Just tossing that out there so you GM folks know the situation.
Player of Tessaa
>>Kyn and Rys, why do you lack confidence in the great and powerful tessaa?
Because you didn't post everything related.
You did not state that you were doing the "test from clear" for both types of spell, which therefore did not obviously eliminate the pulse in the middle of the multiple casts kills.
You didn't state that you were comparing FB and ALA, both known to be broken at present in the experience gain area, against CL. I therefore did a dumb thing and assumed that you were comparing CL against one of the properly working 1st tier TM spells.
TM experience, especially for the mid-tier spells , as stated by Valdrik,is not accruing properly, and that is at least part of what his stated overall TM spell fix, that is part of the current WMSR, will presumably be involved in fixing.
My apologies for assuming that your unsupported post was truly unsupported, and trying to give ideas on how to get true, non-emotional, results that would prove or disporve your point.
BTW, your posted results, in the following thread, are not of sufficient density to really prove or disprove your point. That is because your TM was not at clear for the start of either test, but somewhere inside a range of experience, so it isn't really clear if you didn't go from the top of thoughtful for the CL cast to the very bottom of perplexing, as compared to possibly going from the bottom of thoughtful for the 4 FB casts to the very top of muddled.
That could wind up as a minimal experience difference, that could be explained simply by the RNG giving the 4 that you CL'ed a slightly higher vitality average than the 4 you FBed.
Which is why I alsop recommended running the tests several times to try to get an average difference.
~Kyn (Kynevon)
Kynevon's DR Links Page: http://kynevon.info
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"We're not lost. We're just geographically confused." Brian, KoDT
Because you didn't post everything related.
You did not state that you were doing the "test from clear" for both types of spell, which therefore did not obviously eliminate the pulse in the middle of the multiple casts kills.
You didn't state that you were comparing FB and ALA, both known to be broken at present in the experience gain area, against CL. I therefore did a dumb thing and assumed that you were comparing CL against one of the properly working 1st tier TM spells.
TM experience, especially for the mid-tier spells , as stated by Valdrik,is not accruing properly, and that is at least part of what his stated overall TM spell fix, that is part of the current WMSR, will presumably be involved in fixing.
My apologies for assuming that your unsupported post was truly unsupported, and trying to give ideas on how to get true, non-emotional, results that would prove or disporve your point.
BTW, your posted results, in the following thread, are not of sufficient density to really prove or disprove your point. That is because your TM was not at clear for the start of either test, but somewhere inside a range of experience, so it isn't really clear if you didn't go from the top of thoughtful for the CL cast to the very bottom of perplexing, as compared to possibly going from the bottom of thoughtful for the 4 FB casts to the very top of muddled.
That could wind up as a minimal experience difference, that could be explained simply by the RNG giving the 4 that you CL'ed a slightly higher vitality average than the 4 you FBed.
Which is why I alsop recommended running the tests several times to try to get an average difference.
~Kyn (Kynevon)
Kynevon's DR Links Page: http://kynevon.info
Mac OS X FE: http://www.play.net/software/warlock-info.asp
Amagaim's What to Hunt list: http://kynevon.info/What2Hunt.xls
"We're not lost. We're just geographically confused." Brian, KoDT
My guess is that CL.. when it hits each time gives you exp. So to start with generally it hits with light hits giving you small amounts of exp. Each time it hits after that it's giving the critter a little bit of paralysis so hitting harder and harder on each bolt, giving you more and more exp per hit until it kills. I've noticed it teaches better than any of my other TM spells except maybe fire rain with mass critters. I'd guess it's the equivalent of casting a super low GZ 12 times on the same critter till death if you hit said critter with all 12 bolts for example. I'd guess there's a cap on the amount of exp you get at your TM rank against the critter your killing so one hit kills aren't the best for learning generally unless you had endless mana and endlsss critters. If I cast CL and kill on the first bolt I don't gain far more exp than I would otherwise. Anyway this proves nothing and is only my theory on it, I'm too lazy to do proper tests.
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Beliel
