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Ok, so the way I go about training TM isn't working anymore. This method includes performing Damaris' Lullaby(knocking everything unconscious) and spam snap casting Strange Arrows at minimum prep.
My question is, what is the most effective way to train this skill now?
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~Leilond
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Hmm, sweet, thank you for the info--I'm gonna try madmen and see how that works. Or maybe Abandoned Heart...
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~Leilond
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>>Some things don't affect exp, some do.
Exp Reducers:
Immobilized
Unconscious
Webbed
Stat debuffs like Tezirah's Veil or Malediction.
Nonreducers:
Stunned (IMO the best strategy for training)
Prone <<
I could be wrong but I think severe paralysis of the entire body also falls into the nonreducers and is a very nice way to bring a critter down a few ranks.
Damian, a voice from the distant and long-forgotten past.
Exp Reducers:
Immobilized
Unconscious
Webbed
Stat debuffs like Tezirah's Veil or Malediction.
Nonreducers:
Stunned (IMO the best strategy for training)
Prone <<
I could be wrong but I think severe paralysis of the entire body also falls into the nonreducers and is a very nice way to bring a critter down a few ranks.
Damian, a voice from the distant and long-forgotten past.
Chorus of Madmen and snap casting didn't work because of lack of serious damage. Desert's Maelstrom and snap casting didn't work for the same reason. Performing Phoenix's Pyre with four of them engaged at melee didn't work as it couldn't even hit them with 434 TM.
I will try Demrris' Resolve to see if that fixes things; however this is fairly disheartening that I can't just prepare TM spells like normal and cast them to learn well.
That is unless someone has any other learning techniques that they would like to share.
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~Leilond
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I will try Demrris' Resolve to see if that fixes things; however this is fairly disheartening that I can't just prepare TM spells like normal and cast them to learn well.
That is unless someone has any other learning techniques that they would like to share.
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~Leilond
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>> It really depends on the situation. If you can't land snap casts, you're going to need some aim time.
It sounds like he is hitting them, but not doing any damage. Have you tried putting more mana into the spell? It won't be a true snap, but something like prep, target, harness 8, cast. This might work wonders for your damage. Especially with strange arrow.
It sounds like he is hitting them, but not doing any damage. Have you tried putting more mana into the spell? It won't be a true snap, but something like prep, target, harness 8, cast. This might work wonders for your damage. Especially with strange arrow.
>> Well yes, I was assuming we were talking about a hit here. Which more mana won't help with if we're not I believe.
Yea, I wasn't referring to the additional target time. That was just a side bonus. I mostly mentioned harness because I really really doubt he can snap cast min+8 mana for very long. The harness would give him a few seconds of mana regen.
Yea, I wasn't referring to the additional target time. That was just a side bonus. I mostly mentioned harness because I really really doubt he can snap cast min+8 mana for very long. The harness would give him a few seconds of mana regen.
Mana can help accuracy if the cause of the innacuracy is at least in part MR. If the target is resisting the spell and that is the reason you can't hit then more mana can help to overcome this. Mana will also increase damage if you are hitting as will targeting for most spells. Increased damage will still increase experience so both are valid potential solutions.
GM Oolan Jeel
"The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice."
- Richard Moore
GM Oolan Jeel
"The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice."
- Richard Moore
I may be wrong but just typing target <whatever> is going to drastically improve your accuracy at the cost of no wait time.
If youre still not hitting them after that I would move down to something you can hit without targetting.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if this changes when new combat is complete; but I've not messed with TM much in the past few years aside from backtraining a paladin.
~Maryhana
If youre still not hitting them after that I would move down to something you can hit without targetting.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if this changes when new combat is complete; but I've not messed with TM much in the past few years aside from backtraining a paladin.
~Maryhana
Right now I'm at prep stra, target, feint, draw, harness 8, slice, cast.
At least I'm able to get to 2/34 now.
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~Leilond
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At least I'm able to get to 2/34 now.
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~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
With 383 TM
I do
CAST:
put prep STRA 12
wait 1 sec
put target peccary
wait 1 sec
put cast
wait 1 sec
GOTO CAST
The prep amount should be the least amount of prep you can hit the creature everytime on the snap cast.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
I do
CAST:
put prep STRA 12
wait 1 sec
put target peccary
wait 1 sec
put cast
wait 1 sec
GOTO CAST
The prep amount should be the least amount of prep you can hit the creature everytime on the snap cast.
Crusader Taghz
DFA = DISC + AGIL + TM > Evasion + Reflex
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother...", William Shakespeare.
>The prep amount should be the least amount of prep you can hit the creature everytime on the snap cast.
I would say the prep amount should be the most you can cast at without draining attunement.
I'm a big fan of prep/target/harness/harness/cast at low levels. The RT is exactly equal to the time required for full target (6 seconds).
I would say the prep amount should be the most you can cast at without draining attunement.
I'm a big fan of prep/target/harness/harness/cast at low levels. The RT is exactly equal to the time required for full target (6 seconds).
>>he RT is exactly equal to the time required for full target (6 seconds).
But more than the time it takes to prep/target/cast. In the time you can do that, I can cast 6 times. With the current way EXP is calculated, it seems it's better to hit (even if you do ZERO damage) and hit 6-7 times in a second, than it is to kill something in 1-2 hits of full target. I know it's planning on being changed, but right now....
TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.
But more than the time it takes to prep/target/cast. In the time you can do that, I can cast 6 times. With the current way EXP is calculated, it seems it's better to hit (even if you do ZERO damage) and hit 6-7 times in a second, than it is to kill something in 1-2 hits of full target. I know it's planning on being changed, but right now....
TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.
>But more than the time it takes to prep/target/cast. In the time you can do that, I can cast 6 times. With the current way EXP is calculated, it seems it's better to hit (even if you do ZERO damage) and hit 6-7 times in a second, than it is to kill something in 1-2 hits of full target. I know it's planning on being changed, but right now....
Right, obviously it depends on your circumstances. I use different methods depending on what I'm hunting. Generally, if there's heavy armor or a shield involved, snap casts are going to be weak for damage (although possibly ok for exp).
Right, obviously it depends on your circumstances. I use different methods depending on what I'm hunting. Generally, if there's heavy armor or a shield involved, snap casts are going to be weak for damage (although possibly ok for exp).
>I'm a big fan of prep/target/harness/harness/cast at low levels. The RT is exactly equal to the time required for full target (6 seconds).
This is pretty much what I'm doing in celpeze with my relatively low TM ranks (369). Prep stra 5, harness 5 three times, cast. And that's after I've immobilized them with Demrris' Resolve; hopefully I can cut out that last part soon so I can stop paying the exp taxman.
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This is pretty much what I'm doing in celpeze with my relatively low TM ranks (369). Prep stra 5, harness 5 three times, cast. And that's after I've immobilized them with Demrris' Resolve; hopefully I can cut out that last part soon so I can stop paying the exp taxman.
Aveda's Field Guide- http://dr.aveda.googlepages.com
>This is pretty much what I'm doing in celpeze with my relatively low TM ranks (369). Prep stra 5, harness 5 three times, cast. And that's after I've immobilized them with Demrris' Resolve; hopefully I can cut out that last part soon so I can stop paying the exp taxman.
I'll have to give this approach a try. This could come in handy when trying to bridge a skill gap.
-pete
I'll have to give this approach a try. This could come in handy when trying to bridge a skill gap.
-pete
