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Are there any plans for the return of the Spellbook Shop? Or will it be expected with Warmie enchanting? So far, it has been 2 years since we were told soon on the enchanting.
*grumpy Warmie*
>>Are there any plans for the return of the Spellbook Shop? Or will it be expected with Warmie enchanting? So far, it has been 2 years since we were told soon on the enchanting.
Warrior Mage enchanting and the Spellbook merchant have no relation to each other.
The spellbook merchant's return has been delayed by the departure of the original GM who was running him, and then the departure of the GM who took him over. If I remember correctly, the current GM who has this system is involved in a bunch of stuff, in part due to the Magic SGM having a bunch of real life stuff that made him limit his involvement, so that some problems/updates with the merchant may still need to be finished before he can visit again.
If yo are interested in the status of WM enchanting, there has been some discussion of it in the Enchanting folder in the Warrior Mage topic, but the long and short of it is that it has been approved, and is on Valdrik's plate to work on once a couple of other projects (including the spell review) have been completed.
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Warrior Mage enchanting and the Spellbook merchant have no relation to each other.
The spellbook merchant's return has been delayed by the departure of the original GM who was running him, and then the departure of the GM who took him over. If I remember correctly, the current GM who has this system is involved in a bunch of stuff, in part due to the Magic SGM having a bunch of real life stuff that made him limit his involvement, so that some problems/updates with the merchant may still need to be finished before he can visit again.
If yo are interested in the status of WM enchanting, there has been some discussion of it in the Enchanting folder in the Warrior Mage topic, but the long and short of it is that it has been approved, and is on Valdrik's plate to work on once a couple of other projects (including the spell review) have been completed.
~Kyn (Kynevon)
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Now would be a great time for that merchant. A lot of empaths are scratching their heads now that we have a hard scholarship requirement past 30th.
Also would be nice if we had:
Reduced reading RT's the more scholarship you have.
Spellbooks that pack more of a punch at higher scholarship levels.
Purehand is dead and in no condition to continue teaching you.
~Purehand
Also would be nice if we had:
Reduced reading RT's the more scholarship you have.
Spellbooks that pack more of a punch at higher scholarship levels.
Purehand is dead and in no condition to continue teaching you.
~Purehand
funny... aside from teaching, learning, and spellbooks... I don't know of ANY way to train it when you get above 100 lessons that's not moonie-specific... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though
Souv
Collecting commissions...
A sailor walks up to you and says, "Your commission as Captain of the Skirr'lolasu has run out."
A sailor walks up to you and says, "Your commission as Captain of the Lybadel has run out."
Souv
Collecting commissions...
A sailor walks up to you and says, "Your commission as Captain of the Skirr'lolasu has run out."
A sailor walks up to you and says, "Your commission as Captain of the Lybadel has run out."
>>funny... aside from teaching, learning, and spellbooks... I don't know of ANY way to train it when you get above 100 lessons that's not moonie-specific... feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though
Doesn't origami teach it above 100 ranks, if you use the right instructions? Depending on your Intelligence, it looks like either the flower or jackal instructions should teach around 100 ranks; and there are still something like 10-12 shapes harder still.
And the origami instructions should be readily available from any of the origami stores, which are in Leth Deriel, Ratha, Mer'Kresh and Aesry.
You can find out which shapes will teach you Scholarship and Mech lore at http://www.drveii.com/info.html
First fold (study instructions) will teach Scholarship, the other folds (fold paper) teach Mech.
If you want to, paper is also available both as individual sheets, and in 25, 50, 75 and 100 sheet envelopes. If you have 100 Scholarship already, and don't spend that much time "guild-sitting", I would think that you shouldn't have that much trouble affording even a bulk quantity of 100-sheet envelopes.
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Doesn't origami teach it above 100 ranks, if you use the right instructions? Depending on your Intelligence, it looks like either the flower or jackal instructions should teach around 100 ranks; and there are still something like 10-12 shapes harder still.
And the origami instructions should be readily available from any of the origami stores, which are in Leth Deriel, Ratha, Mer'Kresh and Aesry.
You can find out which shapes will teach you Scholarship and Mech lore at http://www.drveii.com/info.html
First fold (study instructions) will teach Scholarship, the other folds (fold paper) teach Mech.
If you want to, paper is also available both as individual sheets, and in 25, 50, 75 and 100 sheet envelopes. If you have 100 Scholarship already, and don't spend that much time "guild-sitting", I would think that you shouldn't have that much trouble affording even a bulk quantity of 100-sheet envelopes.
~Kyn (Kynevon)
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personally, I don't subscribe to origami, it's an RP choice. And secondly, I don't have that much money at all and couldn't afford origami after the first month I did it, and it definately wouldn't be worth the money for learning scholarship
Souv
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A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
Origami is definitely the king of scholarship training but it costs money. Potentially lots of money. Does any other skill require regular and substantial influxes of money to train?
Sounds like there'll be plenty more lore-centric activities in the future (creation systems, careers, etc.), but that doesn't help you right now.
Arcelebor
"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."
Sounds like there'll be plenty more lore-centric activities in the future (creation systems, careers, etc.), but that doesn't help you right now.
Arcelebor
"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."
>>personally, I don't subscribe to origami, it's an RP choice. And secondly, I don't have that much money at all and couldn't afford origami after the first month I did it, and it definately wouldn't be worth the money for learning scholarship
Can't argue with the RP choice part, but you do know that origami doesn't cost anywhere near as much as a spellbook, do you?
The cheap non-customizable spellbooks are for RP only, and don't teach scholarship; and the customizable spellbooks run somewhere around 200 plats or more, since you will also need a spellbook case to keep it usable, and I would recommend getting the ES crystal, or you will be only limited to using it indoors.
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Can't argue with the RP choice part, but you do know that origami doesn't cost anywhere near as much as a spellbook, do you?
The cheap non-customizable spellbooks are for RP only, and don't teach scholarship; and the customizable spellbooks run somewhere around 200 plats or more, since you will also need a spellbook case to keep it usable, and I would recommend getting the ES crystal, or you will be only limited to using it indoors.
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>>personally, I don't subscribe to origami, it's an RP choice. And secondly, I don't have that much money at all and couldn't afford origami after the first month I did it, and it definately wouldn't be worth the money for learning scholarship
>Can't argue with the RP choice part, but you do know that origami doesn't cost anywhere near as much as a spellbook, do you?
>The cheap non-customizable spellbooks are for RP only, and don't teach scholarship; and the customizable spellbooks run somewhere around 200 plats or more, since you will also need a spellbook case to keep it usable, and I would recommend getting the ES crystal, or you will be only limited to using it indoors. ~Kyn (Kynevon)
Speaking as Lore Prime, same as Souv - Unless I have multiple spellbooks it's fairly useless. A 3% gain of Scholarship on average per hour for 10+ minutes of sitting there is a pretty small pay off.
On my Lore Secondary character, it's much more effective - by far.
player of Xochi
>Can't argue with the RP choice part, but you do know that origami doesn't cost anywhere near as much as a spellbook, do you?
>The cheap non-customizable spellbooks are for RP only, and don't teach scholarship; and the customizable spellbooks run somewhere around 200 plats or more, since you will also need a spellbook case to keep it usable, and I would recommend getting the ES crystal, or you will be only limited to using it indoors. ~Kyn (Kynevon)
Speaking as Lore Prime, same as Souv - Unless I have multiple spellbooks it's fairly useless. A 3% gain of Scholarship on average per hour for 10+ minutes of sitting there is a pretty small pay off.
On my Lore Secondary character, it's much more effective - by far.
player of Xochi
well for non-bards, non-moon mages, non-clerics theres embriodery and origami studying the patterns for both teach scholarship infact embriodery use to teach it a ton reason why they had to make a timer on the studying o.O
bards moonies and clerics all have guild specific things that teach em scholarship though.
bards moonies and clerics all have guild specific things that teach em scholarship though.
>>You can also learn schol from library books. It's tedious and time consuming, but free.<<
and also gives you so little yield that it's useless when you get past your first few circles of scholarship. The subject was a spellbook shop return, which I'm sure would have spellbooks cheaper than 300+ plat... that's trader inflation due to a rare item you can't aquire from a store anymore. However my point, was that there is no real way to train scholarship effectively. It seems based as a side effect to other skills like teaching, mech from origami, et al. Of the dedicated ways to train it, most are moonie specific, and those that aren't (spellbooks and reading books) don't train effectively
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
and also gives you so little yield that it's useless when you get past your first few circles of scholarship. The subject was a spellbook shop return, which I'm sure would have spellbooks cheaper than 300+ plat... that's trader inflation due to a rare item you can't aquire from a store anymore. However my point, was that there is no real way to train scholarship effectively. It seems based as a side effect to other skills like teaching, mech from origami, et al. Of the dedicated ways to train it, most are moonie specific, and those that aren't (spellbooks and reading books) don't train effectively
Souv
You sense (N, S) from your current position:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
<<The subject was a spellbook shop return, which I'm sure would have spellbooks cheaper than 300+ plat>>
If I recall correctly, my empaths spellbook was somewhere in the area of 150plat straight off of the shelf. (w/the needed case etc.) Thus far, I've used solely origami and teaching scholarship classes to learn scholarship, and at 100 ranks have spent far fewer than 100 plat. I'm not meaning to discount the fact that there needs to be more ways to learn scholarship. However, origami is far superior to any other method, both in time and cost, available at this time.
Hopefully, the promised anatomy charts will help to fill this gap in.
--D.K.
If I recall correctly, my empaths spellbook was somewhere in the area of 150plat straight off of the shelf. (w/the needed case etc.) Thus far, I've used solely origami and teaching scholarship classes to learn scholarship, and at 100 ranks have spent far fewer than 100 plat. I'm not meaning to discount the fact that there needs to be more ways to learn scholarship. However, origami is far superior to any other method, both in time and cost, available at this time.
Hopefully, the promised anatomy charts will help to fill this gap in.
--D.K.
>If I recall correctly, my empaths spellbook was somewhere in the area of 150plat straight off of the shelf. (w/the needed case etc.)
All the guild spellbooks were 49p (and change) "off the shelf", and then the costs of the spellbook case, which the basic ones (with just the single compartment) started at 2 or 3 plat.
It's when you started making changes...adding a velvet cover...vellum pages...locks...crystals...beads...:P
That's the stuff that added up.
However, I know I didn't spend more than 100p total on mine, I got a ton of the beads that I didn't really need to (so I could change them around as the years went by), but didn't invest in a bloodlock or the crystals (not that hard for me to just pop inside, and for that amount of money, no WAY I was ever going to drop it, so a bloodlock seemed useless).
I should have written it down, but I am pretty sure my spellbook when finished was in the 60-65p range, and then all the fluff bummped it up.
Kythryn
All the guild spellbooks were 49p (and change) "off the shelf", and then the costs of the spellbook case, which the basic ones (with just the single compartment) started at 2 or 3 plat.
It's when you started making changes...adding a velvet cover...vellum pages...locks...crystals...beads...:P
That's the stuff that added up.
However, I know I didn't spend more than 100p total on mine, I got a ton of the beads that I didn't really need to (so I could change them around as the years went by), but didn't invest in a bloodlock or the crystals (not that hard for me to just pop inside, and for that amount of money, no WAY I was ever going to drop it, so a bloodlock seemed useless).
I should have written it down, but I am pretty sure my spellbook when finished was in the 60-65p range, and then all the fluff bummped it up.
Kythryn
Agreed. The base price for the "teaching" spellbooks was not THAT expensive (I know a few who got them for under 100 pk). However, at the time - I was much younger and did not have the coin. We were told that the merchant would return - so I saved and saved and now I have the money with a merchant nowhere in site, despite being told that he'd come back after Droughtman's, and I don't think having a merchant come around once every 2 years is THAT unreasonable.
~Chris
~Chris
And both of those "excuses" are unacceptable to me. I understand that GMs leave - but I'd imagine that it would remain property of Simutronics or some such. Also - I find it upsetting that a GM or anyone would deem it "not worth their time" when there are so many players/customers who anxiously await the return.
~Chris
~Chris
>>And both of those "excuses" are unacceptable to me. I understand that GMs leave - but I'd imagine that it would remain property of Simutronics or some such. Also - I find it upsetting that a GM or anyone would deem it "not worth their time" when there are so many players/customers who anxiously await the return.
1) The spellbook merchant has undergone a change in ownership at least 4 times now, counting the change that occurred before his first actual appearance in-game.
I don't remember the first owner, but Skraelthaen (sp?), IIRC, took it over when he left before it was even fully coded. Then I believe that Talian took it over before he left. Now, it has gone to Valdrik, who is not only a guild GM, but the acting SGM for Magic in general, and involved in a major (and necessary, too!) re-write to how a whole class of spells (SvA) work in general. And the long overdue fix to TM spells to make them scale appropriately to tier and training.
2) Everyone has priorities. At this point, it makes perfect sense, to me at least, that the new owner still has several systems with a higher priority than having to go through yet another system that was fully coded by someone who is now gone, try to figure out what his (their) code did (anyone know how well Skraelthaen did his documentation, and for any changes made by Talian, his documentation as well?), and make sure that none of that code is going to break when brought over into DR2, nor break DR2 when it is brought over.
Remember that the spellbook merchant includes several special bits of code in his shop, including the portal system to enter and leave the shop, and the (extremely) non-standard "catalog" system the shop uses for the custom spellbooks.
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1) The spellbook merchant has undergone a change in ownership at least 4 times now, counting the change that occurred before his first actual appearance in-game.
I don't remember the first owner, but Skraelthaen (sp?), IIRC, took it over when he left before it was even fully coded. Then I believe that Talian took it over before he left. Now, it has gone to Valdrik, who is not only a guild GM, but the acting SGM for Magic in general, and involved in a major (and necessary, too!) re-write to how a whole class of spells (SvA) work in general. And the long overdue fix to TM spells to make them scale appropriately to tier and training.
2) Everyone has priorities. At this point, it makes perfect sense, to me at least, that the new owner still has several systems with a higher priority than having to go through yet another system that was fully coded by someone who is now gone, try to figure out what his (their) code did (anyone know how well Skraelthaen did his documentation, and for any changes made by Talian, his documentation as well?), and make sure that none of that code is going to break when brought over into DR2, nor break DR2 when it is brought over.
Remember that the spellbook merchant includes several special bits of code in his shop, including the portal system to enter and leave the shop, and the (extremely) non-standard "catalog" system the shop uses for the custom spellbooks.
~Kyn (Kynevon)
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Actually...I want a spellbook. Even just a fluff non-scholarship one. I think it would be fitting. My request is for the shop - not as another way to train scholarship - as I train that just fine - but because I would like a spellbook. The forum is here - doesn't hurt to post in it once in a while to remind the powers that be that the interest is still alive.
~Chris
~Chris
I for one would like to see the merchant come back. Nobody has spellbooks in Plat and it would be a bonus to my scholarship learning.
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Okay, so what is it? Did someone lock the keys inside of the GMNPC and now they can't get in? It can't be all that difficult to run the merchant...I could even think of a few roleplaying reasons why it would be wonderful to have the merchant back.
Pretty please? :grin:
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
Pretty please? :grin:
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
I read something fairly recently in the War Mage folder that made it sound awfully like there aren't any plans to bring back the spellbook merchant. Let me see if I can find the post and, if I can, I'll put up a link to it.
~Dulcinia
[Dimitrus] "Im a man and Im thinking. that's a tough combination to find"
Pilot Bunni yells, "By order of Captain Dulcinia our new ship's Master is Bates!"
~Dulcinia
[Dimitrus] "Im a man and Im thinking. that's a tough combination to find"
Pilot Bunni yells, "By order of Captain Dulcinia our new ship's Master is Bates!"
Found it. And it doesn't sound good.
https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=23&topic=14&message=262
~Dulcinia
[Dimitrus] "Im a man and Im thinking. that's a tough combination to find"
Pilot Bunni yells, "By order of Captain Dulcinia our new ship's Master is Bates!"
https://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=23&topic=14&message=262
~Dulcinia
[Dimitrus] "Im a man and Im thinking. that's a tough combination to find"
Pilot Bunni yells, "By order of Captain Dulcinia our new ship's Master is Bates!"
Woo Hoo...:twirls index finger in the air:
Grreat, so that means I just need to crack the whip behind my trader until he coughs up the Kronars for a spellbook...I'm seeing them more frequently in game and on various other boards, so hopefully shouldn't be too hard to locate one when I finally get the plats. Le sigh.
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
Grreat, so that means I just need to crack the whip behind my trader until he coughs up the Kronars for a spellbook...I'm seeing them more frequently in game and on various other boards, so hopefully shouldn't be too hard to locate one when I finally get the plats. Le sigh.
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
<<I read something fairly recently in the War Mage folder that made it sound awfully like there aren't any plans to bring back the spellbook merchant. Let me see if I can find the post and, if I can, I'll put up a link to it.>>
I wouldn't say that the merchant wont ever come back. Its just that it has to compete with everything else on my priority list for attention. There are some issues with it that need addressed. So until my plate gets a bit cleaner, or until someone takes it over .... its unlikely. It isn't an impossibility, just unlikely.
~V
<--- Warrior Mage Haiku --->
My pants are aflame
I did not learn water spells
so now I must ARGGHHHH
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I wouldn't say that the merchant wont ever come back. Its just that it has to compete with everything else on my priority list for attention. There are some issues with it that need addressed. So until my plate gets a bit cleaner, or until someone takes it over .... its unlikely. It isn't an impossibility, just unlikely.
~V
<--- Warrior Mage Haiku --->
My pants are aflame
I did not learn water spells
so now I must ARGGHHHH
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I also think it'd be a cool creation system for you guys...I don't know much about Warrior Mages, but do you have a creation system at all that you can make stuff for others? Other than fams, and stuff...
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
~Brady, player of I'm a Lover Not a Fighter Elavin Rismel.
Your mind hears Taygar thinking, "(I)"
>get my amar
You get a burnt orange amaryllis.
>wear my amar
But you don't have any hair! Where are you going to put it? Don't answer that!
<< I don't know much about Warrior Mages, but do you have a creation system at all that you can make stuff for others >>
Weapon Enchanting is the creation system WM will be getting. Currently the proposal is through QC, awaiting coding and implementation by Valdrik. My best guess is 2006 ifn we are lucky enough to have Valdrik working on it (After the current spell review of course), until then we are waiting and drooling over what could be.
Rehlyn
Some thoughtful soul has marked the surface of the lock with a drawing of several very happy looking stick figures.
You guzzle down the Justice.
Weapon Enchanting is the creation system WM will be getting. Currently the proposal is through QC, awaiting coding and implementation by Valdrik. My best guess is 2006 ifn we are lucky enough to have Valdrik working on it (After the current spell review of course), until then we are waiting and drooling over what could be.
Rehlyn
Some thoughtful soul has marked the surface of the lock with a drawing of several very happy looking stick figures.
You guzzle down the Justice.
