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Here's an example of some of the strangeness I'm running into...
You glance down to see a morning star in your right hand and a scimitar in your left hand.
< You bash a morning star at a rock troll. A rock troll fends off the star with a sharp pine sapling.
[You're winded, badly balanced with opponent in very strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>feint left
>
< You feint a scimitar at a rock troll. A rock troll barely fails to block with a sharp pine sapling. The scimitar lands a light hit to the troll's chest.
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]
You move a morning star to your left hand.
You move a scimitar to your right hand.
>chop left
< You bash a morning star at a rock troll. A rock troll badly fails to block with a sharp pine sapling. The star lands an extremely heavy hit that knocks the troll's breath away with a loud Whuff as the stomach takes full force of the blow as it staggers slightly.
[You're winded, nimbly balanced and in strong position.]
[Roundtime 6 sec.]
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>feint
< You feint a scimitar at a rock troll. A rock troll badly fails to parry with a sharp pine sapling. The scimitar lands a good strike to the troll's left leg.
[You're slightly off balance and opponent has slight advantage.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]
As you can see I return to solidly balanced between each test, but depending on whether I use my scimitar in my right hand, or my mace in my right hand, the balance modification changes. I have more than enough in both ME and HB for it not to be attributed to misses, plus I tested it a couple times.
I'm not sure what's going on.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
Chop - feint is not balance positive for ME combat routine.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Ambassador of the Ilithi Court, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, ... still a Ranger
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
Sword of House Calibanor, Ambassador of the Ilithi Court, Emerald Knight, Keeper of the CEC, ... still a Ranger
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
The weirdness is pretty self-explanatory.
As far as I know the game monitors your last combat maneuver but not the weapon type used. It is assumed the maneuver last used was used with the same weapon.
Testing all 30k+ combos isn't really necessary I think. You could just use your knowledge of particular weapons to create combos.
Example:
Sweep -> Slice is balance positive on all edged weapons.
So sweeping with any blunt weapon than slicing with a bladed weapon will always be balance-positive.
As for the brawling when you have a weapon in hand, that sounds like a bug.
*******
Prime: Malkien
Prime: (Necromancer Bob- coming to DR in '08!)
TF: Ganymede
As far as I know the game monitors your last combat maneuver but not the weapon type used. It is assumed the maneuver last used was used with the same weapon.
Testing all 30k+ combos isn't really necessary I think. You could just use your knowledge of particular weapons to create combos.
Example:
Sweep -> Slice is balance positive on all edged weapons.
So sweeping with any blunt weapon than slicing with a bladed weapon will always be balance-positive.
As for the brawling when you have a weapon in hand, that sounds like a bug.
*******
Prime: Malkien
Prime: (Necromancer Bob- coming to DR in '08!)
TF: Ganymede
Well its good to know that despite adding in a log, no one bothered to read it.
So lets try again.
When attacking with heavy blunt in right hand and a medium edge in the left, doing a chop/bash with the blunt and a feint with the edged = neutral.
When attacking with medium edge in right hand and a heavy blunt in the left, doing a chop/bash with the blunt and a feint with the edged = one step negative.
According to the charts I've put together, it should always be one step negative if it ends with ME or four steps negative if it ends with HB.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
So lets try again.
When attacking with heavy blunt in right hand and a medium edge in the left, doing a chop/bash with the blunt and a feint with the edged = neutral.
When attacking with medium edge in right hand and a heavy blunt in the left, doing a chop/bash with the blunt and a feint with the edged = one step negative.
According to the charts I've put together, it should always be one step negative if it ends with ME or four steps negative if it ends with HB.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>>Well its good to know that despite adding in a log, no one bothered to read it.
Force of habit. Logs can be doctored, you know. ;)
Anywho, I assume that switching hands is automatically a balance penalty. Right-only ATTACK will keep me up in the nimbly/incredible range for brawling, as will ATTACK LEFT. But switching hands each attack will just as quickly tank my balance and keep it as far down as it will go.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
Force of habit. Logs can be doctored, you know. ;)
Anywho, I assume that switching hands is automatically a balance penalty. Right-only ATTACK will keep me up in the nimbly/incredible range for brawling, as will ATTACK LEFT. But switching hands each attack will just as quickly tank my balance and keep it as far down as it will go.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
>>Anywho, I assume that switching hands is automatically a balance penalty. Right-only ATTACK will keep me up in the nimbly/incredible range for brawling, as will ATTACK LEFT. But switching hands each attack will just as quickly tank my balance and keep it as far down as it will go.
First off, the strange thing is the balance is actually better than it should be in one combination. Second, in both cases, I switched from right attack to left attack, it just depended on whether I went right left or left right.
>>That's because if you ATTACK and then ATTACK LEFT, the system will begin the combo over each time. You have to do it manually for it to work.
You mean like type feint left then bash or feint then bash left? Huh, according to the log I posted, I did.
Okay, I'm not sure whether I'm making myself clear or not. The issue is that using the same weapons, and the same combo (hand typed in), I'm getting different balance results based on which hand holds each weapon.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
First off, the strange thing is the balance is actually better than it should be in one combination. Second, in both cases, I switched from right attack to left attack, it just depended on whether I went right left or left right.
>>That's because if you ATTACK and then ATTACK LEFT, the system will begin the combo over each time. You have to do it manually for it to work.
You mean like type feint left then bash or feint then bash left? Huh, according to the log I posted, I did.
Okay, I'm not sure whether I'm making myself clear or not. The issue is that using the same weapons, and the same combo (hand typed in), I'm getting different balance results based on which hand holds each weapon.
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian Extrordi...Well somewhat average
Hunta Talna Kortok, built by Gor'Togs, for Gor'Togs
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/caraamon/home.html
>>RAIST
I understand completely--the system is just not being consistant. It's weird that one way would restore your balance, where-as one way would ruin it.
Sadly, this is the problem with these boards. People don't pay close enough attention, or just aren't observative enough. Myself included sometimes.
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~Leilond, the Crazy Anime Ninja 1000-Macro Non-Artificial Bard
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http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com/bard_planner_v2.xls
I understand completely--the system is just not being consistant. It's weird that one way would restore your balance, where-as one way would ruin it.
Sadly, this is the problem with these boards. People don't pay close enough attention, or just aren't observative enough. Myself included sometimes.
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~Leilond, the Crazy Anime Ninja 1000-Macro Non-Artificial Bard
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/ss1shadow/leicollagefinal.jpg
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com/bard_planner_v2.xls
