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When dual wielding eventually comes out everyone will be able to do it right? And just the size of the weapon you can use in the off hand will be decided by your skill sets? Going to start training a weapon now just so I can off hand it and I don't want to find out later its going to be a guild only skill.
Dual wield is possible now.
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Offhand_Weapon_skill
Formerly Known As Nitish
>Alisyn edges away from you.
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Offhand_Weapon_skill
Formerly Known As Nitish
>Alisyn edges away from you.
>No, he means real dual wield. Two weapons, one in each hand, attacking with both, that is not Barbarian-only. This was the entire "idea" behind introducing the offhand skill.
Though I was really just being snarky, can you explain to me the difference between 'real dual wield' and whirlwind?
Other than the expectation that you won't need 300+ ranks and 30+ agility to use 'real dual wield'?
Granted ww has random benefits like hitting things in hiding and removing webs, I don't really see much difference.
Though I was really just being snarky, can you explain to me the difference between 'real dual wield' and whirlwind?
Other than the expectation that you won't need 300+ ranks and 30+ agility to use 'real dual wield'?
Granted ww has random benefits like hitting things in hiding and removing webs, I don't really see much difference.
The last I remember hearing about 'real' dual wield, that had been put on a way-back burner because of the sheer complexity of coding.
Still, off-hand is trainable- and indeed, I've been having a blast with that with a baby char! I've found that LT hits harder with my off-hand than with the normal- and meanwhile the said char is working on gathering the coin for throwing blades, just cause!
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Still, off-hand is trainable- and indeed, I've been having a blast with that with a baby char! I've found that LT hits harder with my off-hand than with the normal- and meanwhile the said char is working on gathering the coin for throwing blades, just cause!
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
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>Still, off-hand is trainable- and indeed, I've been having a blast with that with a baby char! I've found that LT hits harder with my off-hand than with the normal- and meanwhile the said char is working on gathering the coin for throwing blades, just cause!
At least for me, this does not happen :-)
I train LT with both blades and a throwing mallet.
-pete
At least for me, this does not happen :-)
I train LT with both blades and a throwing mallet.
-pete
>I've found that LT hits harder with my off-hand than with the normal-
If this is true, then it's a bug. No matter what your level of Offhand skill, it will never factor in as higher than your weapon (i.e. if OH > weapon skill, then OH = weapon skill for attack purposes).
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If this is true, then it's a bug. No matter what your level of Offhand skill, it will never factor in as higher than your weapon (i.e. if OH > weapon skill, then OH = weapon skill for attack purposes).
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
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>No matter what your level of Offhand skill, it will never factor in as higher than your weapon (i.e. if OH > weapon skill, then OH = weapon skill for attack purposes).
Do you have a link for this GM post? I couldn't find it. I thought effective ranks from off-hand attack = .7 x Offhand + .3 x Weapon
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Do you have a link for this GM post? I couldn't find it. I thought effective ranks from off-hand attack = .7 x Offhand + .3 x Weapon
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>>Do you have a link for this GM post? I couldn't find it. I thought effective ranks from off-hand attack = .7 x Offhand + .3 x Weapon
It used to be and then it was changed.
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It used to be and then it was changed.
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>>That's too bad. Used to be the only good use for offhand while we were waiting for dual wield to be released.
Well, now it still allows you to use your offhand so it's not useless. It's nice to att with the right hand and then throw with the left etc. It definately was more useful before because you could use a lower weapon in the offhand (with higher offhand) and get better results hitting something you normally couldn't or had a hard time to.
I sort of agree with the change though, it doesn't make sense that someone could just train offhand skill and be proficient in every weapon in their offhand. Literally they could by-pass all the other weapon skills just by learning offhand. (except bows\2handers)
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Well, now it still allows you to use your offhand so it's not useless. It's nice to att with the right hand and then throw with the left etc. It definately was more useful before because you could use a lower weapon in the offhand (with higher offhand) and get better results hitting something you normally couldn't or had a hard time to.
I sort of agree with the change though, it doesn't make sense that someone could just train offhand skill and be proficient in every weapon in their offhand. Literally they could by-pass all the other weapon skills just by learning offhand. (except bows\2handers)
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>Well, now it still allows you to use your offhand so it's not useless. It's nice to att with the right hand and then throw with the left etc. It definately was more useful before because you could use a lower weapon in the offhand (with higher offhand) and get better results hitting something you normally couldn't or had a hard time to.
Right. The additionally training benefits basically were a good reason to keep offhand trained up in prep for the far-off someday of dual-wield.
The only reason I use it is a RP flair with LT from being able to chuck knives from both hands.
-pete
Right. The additionally training benefits basically were a good reason to keep offhand trained up in prep for the far-off someday of dual-wield.
The only reason I use it is a RP flair with LT from being able to chuck knives from both hands.
-pete
The difference between "Dual Wield" and "Whirlwind" to my knowledge is that Dual Wield may not give the functionality to attack everything at Melee and/or Pole weapon range, whereas Whirlwind does.
The scheme behind dual wielding weapons has changed so much that I honestly have no clue what the game plan is now. The idea has gone from introducing separate RT's for each Arm and then having a separate Body RT, to using the greater of RT's between weapons in your Left and Right Hand, to some other calculation TBD.
Personally I hope the system is fairly robust and has the typical "ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK" functionality for people who don't want to delve into the more intricate details. I also hope they give thrown weapons dual wield functionality.
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The scheme behind dual wielding weapons has changed so much that I honestly have no clue what the game plan is now. The idea has gone from introducing separate RT's for each Arm and then having a separate Body RT, to using the greater of RT's between weapons in your Left and Right Hand, to some other calculation TBD.
Personally I hope the system is fairly robust and has the typical "ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK" functionality for people who don't want to delve into the more intricate details. I also hope they give thrown weapons dual wield functionality.
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~Leilond
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GM Post:
http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Weak_Offhand_-_8/11/2009_-_23:32:00
>>1. A change was made in the offhand calcs a while back that caps the effective skill at or near to weapon ranks to prevent people with much higher offhand ranks than weapon ranks to bypass needing weapon ranks. Kinda like what you're trying to do.
This. Being good at using your off hand should not make you perform better with a weapon than when used in your main hand. Ever. As good as if you have the skill, sure. But not better off-handed than used normally.
GM Oolan Jeel
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http://elanthipedia.com/wiki/Post:Weak_Offhand_-_8/11/2009_-_23:32:00
>>1. A change was made in the offhand calcs a while back that caps the effective skill at or near to weapon ranks to prevent people with much higher offhand ranks than weapon ranks to bypass needing weapon ranks. Kinda like what you're trying to do.
This. Being good at using your off hand should not make you perform better with a weapon than when used in your main hand. Ever. As good as if you have the skill, sure. But not better off-handed than used normally.
GM Oolan Jeel
Magic's Death Caraamon Makdasi,
Gor'Tog Barbarian
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Thanks bud. Forgot about archived posts on the wiki.
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~Hunter Hanryu
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
http://tinyurl.com/HanryuTanning
That's what I remember.
It could be that I simply had a run of luck. I'll try normally later today: Right now, the off-hand skill of the character in question is slightly higher than her LT.
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
It could be that I simply had a run of luck. I'll try normally later today: Right now, the off-hand skill of the character in question is slightly higher than her LT.
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
