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I have a question about this because I've done some reading on the new combat system. With what I read about ranged attacks and defense, parry can be used as a percentage boost to avoid them along with shield and evasion skills. At least that's how I understood it. Anyway if I allots point to parry in my stance while using bows and crossbows I get the hell beat out of me. If I set parry to zero I only get the usual random hits that I would get anyway.
So my question is this. Does that fact that a ranged weapon is in your right had nullify your ability to parry altogether and become a penalty instead of a bonus?
I'll admit I'm not that deep into programming but I'm pretty good at math and have a decent understanding of numbers. So did some of the mechanics of the program itself escape me? I know the quick fix. Turn parry off so it's more of a need to understand than a problem. Thanks to anyone willing to waste your time on this for me.
The bypassed parry stance points are allocated to the shield skill. My goal is to avoid having Evasion become the GOD SKILL again.
Basically if you sword and board it up, you can do 100 evasion, 80 parry and it will auto-swap parry to shield for blocking ranged attacks.
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Basically if you sword and board it up, you can do 100 evasion, 80 parry and it will auto-swap parry to shield for blocking ranged attacks.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
<<Basically if you sword and board it up, you can do 100 evasion, 80 parry and it will auto-swap parry to shield for blocking ranged attacks.
I don't think he was asking about blocking ranged attacks, but rather blocking while using ranged attacks with bows/crossbows while in parry stance. The auto-swap from parry to shield doesn't apply to that, I think? I.e. If you're wielding a bow/crossbow you don't get any use out of any portion of your stance that is set to parry.
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I don't think he was asking about blocking ranged attacks, but rather blocking while using ranged attacks with bows/crossbows while in parry stance. The auto-swap from parry to shield doesn't apply to that, I think? I.e. If you're wielding a bow/crossbow you don't get any use out of any portion of your stance that is set to parry.
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The system goes...
Is parry defense ignored by this attack and are there parry points to re-assign?
Yes - Move them to shield up to 100%
Do we have points leftover?
Yes - Move them over to evasion until evasion is at 100%
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
Is parry defense ignored by this attack and are there parry points to re-assign?
Yes - Move them to shield up to 100%
Do we have points leftover?
Yes - Move them over to evasion until evasion is at 100%
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
The issue with with ranged and parry is that the system seems to go
Can attack be parried?
If yes, them Is person holding a weapon?
If yes, then use weapon to parry and neglect parry stick.
This results in a big whoops if the weapon you are holding cannot be used to parry and you are stanced to party.
<<The system goes...
<<Is parry defense ignored by this attack and are there parry points to re-assign?
I think you're still talking about something completely different than what the question in this thread was about. It is not talking about differences in the incoming attack, but rather differences in the weapon being used by the person doing the parrying.
The situation that was asked about was:
Is parry defense possible to use at all while simply holding this weapon?
No (i.e. missile weapon other than staff slings) - ignore parry skill and any equipped parry stick completely and do not swap any points into shield or evasion.
Yes (i.e. melee weapon + staff slings) - Continue with the usual parry defence calculations
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<<Is parry defense ignored by this attack and are there parry points to re-assign?
I think you're still talking about something completely different than what the question in this thread was about. It is not talking about differences in the incoming attack, but rather differences in the weapon being used by the person doing the parrying.
The situation that was asked about was:
Is parry defense possible to use at all while simply holding this weapon?
No (i.e. missile weapon other than staff slings) - ignore parry skill and any equipped parry stick completely and do not swap any points into shield or evasion.
Yes (i.e. melee weapon + staff slings) - Continue with the usual parry defence calculations
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You cannot (easily) crack open Goliath's skull with a pestle, like you can a sling stone. That may be why parry gets disabled when using ranged weapons.
I feel like some of these "quirks" of the system just happened when 3.0 went live. They weren't necessarily the result of a decision or for a reason. So we will review it and see what makes the most sense.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
I feel like some of these "quirks" of the system just happened when 3.0 went live. They weren't necessarily the result of a decision or for a reason. So we will review it and see what makes the most sense.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
It makes total sense to me that the arm holding your bow steady while you're drawing back an arrow in the string is not going to be waving madly around parrying things. In the case of a sling, a parrying with the arm holding the loaded weapon would certainly make the ammunition fall out. If it we possible, perhaps disable parry only while a ranged weapon was loaded. Otherwise I'm content with the status quo.
When using ranged, I change stance to evade and block (with my arm-worn shield on my off hand arm)... it's a penalty to load and aim, but at least I can use my stance points.
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When using ranged, I change stance to evade and block (with my arm-worn shield on my off hand arm)... it's a penalty to load and aim, but at least I can use my stance points.
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>>I feel like some of these "quirks" of the system just happened when 3.0 went live. They weren't necessarily the result of a decision or for a reason. So we will review it and see what makes the most sense.
While there has been some quirks introduced with 3.0 combat, no parry with ranged weapons in hand has always been a thing as long as I can remember.
While there has been some quirks introduced with 3.0 combat, no parry with ranged weapons in hand has always been a thing as long as I can remember.
>While there has been some quirks introduced with 3.0 combat, no parry with ranged weapons in hand has always been a thing as long as I can remember.
Yes, but parry sticks didn't used to work with anything in your right hand. Now I can hold a backpack in my hand and parry away. Which I'm fine with because of arm-worn shields, but it seems odd that the second you hold a weapon the parry stick doesn't work. I think it just devalues the parry skill, is all.
Yes, but parry sticks didn't used to work with anything in your right hand. Now I can hold a backpack in my hand and parry away. Which I'm fine with because of arm-worn shields, but it seems odd that the second you hold a weapon the parry stick doesn't work. I think it just devalues the parry skill, is all.
>>Yes, but parry sticks didn't used to work with anything in your right hand. Now I can hold a backpack in my hand and parry away. Which I'm fine with because of arm-worn shields, but it seems odd that the second you hold a weapon the parry stick doesn't work. I think it just devalues the parry skill, is all.
I agree. Parry as a skill has little value, but Kodius has been slowly changing that. I'm not really for or against any change here, I was just adding a comment to what he said, but I may of misunderstood what quirks he was talking about.
I agree. Parry as a skill has little value, but Kodius has been slowly changing that. I'm not really for or against any change here, I was just adding a comment to what he said, but I may of misunderstood what quirks he was talking about.
Well I thought the complaint was in 3.x parry sticks no longer worked with bows. 2.0 was a long time ago and so my memory of all that it entailed grows fuzzier every day :P
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
Also on the subject of parry, what happened to the weapon exp? It's so much less than it used to be.
As it is right now, I just stance to parry briefly to lock it and then back to shield for 95% of the time (tert skillset). If parry had more advantages I'd be more likely to switch it up.
It doesn't really matter to me, my defenses are pretty equal - 309 parry, 313 shield, 401 evasion.
As it is right now, I just stance to parry briefly to lock it and then back to shield for 95% of the time (tert skillset). If parry had more advantages I'd be more likely to switch it up.
It doesn't really matter to me, my defenses are pretty equal - 309 parry, 313 shield, 401 evasion.
<<Yes, but parry sticks didn't used to work with anything in your right hand. >>
What was the timeline on this? I returned to the game in June 2013 and from Day 1 parry sticks worked with a non-weapon in the right hand. I learned this while mining in Warklins with a shovel in the right hand.
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What was the timeline on this? I returned to the game in June 2013 and from Day 1 parry sticks worked with a non-weapon in the right hand. I learned this while mining in Warklins with a shovel in the right hand.
--Just a Squire
>What was the timeline on this? I returned to the game in June 2013 and from Day 1 parry sticks worked with a non-weapon in the right hand. I learned this while mining in Warklins with a shovel in the right hand.
I'm talking about back in 2009, although it is possible that my memory is wrong.
I'm talking about back in 2009, although it is possible that my memory is wrong.
I know parry sticks have never worked when holding a bow in the right hand, for as long as I can remember.
My memory is not so clear on non-weapons. I remember knowing that holding non-weapons in your right hand still allows you to parry, but I can also remember other times where I purposely held a non-weapon in my left hand so that I could parry.
Someone mentioned mining and holding a shovel in their right hand and being able to parry. I have always held my shovel in my left hand so I could parry while mining. I am sure that I remember at one point holding it in my right hand and realizing I couldn't parry..but now I'm not so sure.
I'm not sure if that logic changed at some point in the last several years, or if I just have made up memories that are confusing me.
At one point I also thought I remembered the ability to parry while holding a non-weapon in your right hand was based on the size or weight of the object. Too big or heavy and you can't parry. I am probably making that up too.
I have always been okay with not being able to parry while holding a bow. I do have a question about the recent auto-stance change that was made where part of your parry stance will move to shield when a ranged attack is encountered. Does the auto-stance also come into effect when encountering an attack where one of the types of defenses are not available, like parrying with a bow?
I have switched between bow and melee for long enough that I am usually pretty good about changing stances first, but every once in a while lag or a slip of the fingers causes my switch to shield stance to fail and my fingers were already on to wielding my bow before my brain noticed the mistake. At least after 3.0 this isn't always an instant death sentence, but it has still killed me a few times.
I know I have slipped at least twice since the auto-stance adjustment change was released and didn't notice any change as far as how beaten up I was in the few seconds I was in parry stance while holding a bow, so I'm thinking it currently doesn't apply in that scenario. If that is the case, could it be added?
My memory is not so clear on non-weapons. I remember knowing that holding non-weapons in your right hand still allows you to parry, but I can also remember other times where I purposely held a non-weapon in my left hand so that I could parry.
Someone mentioned mining and holding a shovel in their right hand and being able to parry. I have always held my shovel in my left hand so I could parry while mining. I am sure that I remember at one point holding it in my right hand and realizing I couldn't parry..but now I'm not so sure.
I'm not sure if that logic changed at some point in the last several years, or if I just have made up memories that are confusing me.
At one point I also thought I remembered the ability to parry while holding a non-weapon in your right hand was based on the size or weight of the object. Too big or heavy and you can't parry. I am probably making that up too.
I have always been okay with not being able to parry while holding a bow. I do have a question about the recent auto-stance change that was made where part of your parry stance will move to shield when a ranged attack is encountered. Does the auto-stance also come into effect when encountering an attack where one of the types of defenses are not available, like parrying with a bow?
I have switched between bow and melee for long enough that I am usually pretty good about changing stances first, but every once in a while lag or a slip of the fingers causes my switch to shield stance to fail and my fingers were already on to wielding my bow before my brain noticed the mistake. At least after 3.0 this isn't always an instant death sentence, but it has still killed me a few times.
I know I have slipped at least twice since the auto-stance adjustment change was released and didn't notice any change as far as how beaten up I was in the few seconds I was in parry stance while holding a bow, so I'm thinking it currently doesn't apply in that scenario. If that is the case, could it be added?
