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The FLEE verb is now live in Plat.
The flee verb will allow a player to disengage and clear themselves from combat by exiting through an obvious path, portal, or direction. In some cases, where a path is not obvious or the room has special contests to see if you can leave (swimming for example) you will not leave the room but it will clear you from engagement to afford you the chance to exit as you normally would.
The ability contests and teaches escaping vs. attacker weapon skill. Success is automatic unless you find yourself incapacitated in anyway during the attempt to flee. Your escaping skill works to reduce the timer on flee thus increasing your odds of success. Therefore, any ability that bonuses escaping skill or adds a positive engagement modifier to your character will enhance your ability to flee.
Barbarians and Paladins will take a somewhat trivial hit to inner fire or soul if they flee.
Thieves who have sufficient escaping skill may find they have a special ability they can utilize.
Also, there are a number of silly messages for role-play purposes.
Questions, comments, bugs, rants, and raves should be directed to the Combat - Weapons and Armor -> Tactics folder.
Thank you.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Ssra, if my character has more brawling than the weapon I currently have in hand can it please contest the brawling skill instead of the held weapon? Just a perk to training brawling.
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<<Is this fleeing in a random direction Ssra or can you flee sw?>>
You can specify the direction or portal or you can let it randomly pick one.
Any room that has fog, is dark, or has a special contest to move (swimming) will keep you in the same room regardless but it will clear you out of combat so you can move as your normally would.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
You can specify the direction or portal or you can let it randomly pick one.
Any room that has fog, is dark, or has a special contest to move (swimming) will keep you in the same room regardless but it will clear you out of combat so you can move as your normally would.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
<<Wow, cool! So with about 30 ranks of escaping I could go down to something like cougars and train escaping by playing chicken little regardless of my other combat skills?>>
Yes.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Yes.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
<<Ssra, if my character has more brawling than the weapon I currently have in hand can it please contest the brawling skill instead of the held weapon? Just a perk to training brawling.>>
It does check brawling.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
It does check brawling.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Looking forward to trying this out when it comes to Prime. Your work is appreciated, Ssra.
Quick question - What can I expect in regard to success rate and training for a young character with single-digit escaping on something like, say, blood wolves? Total failure and poor training? If this is a PAFO deal no worries, I'll wait to use it. :)
-Nyseth
While I understand the idea of the soul hit, the fact that retreating doesn't hurt soul, and that paladins really have no means of training escaping aside from fleeing, I don't really see it as a viable option of training escaping for a paladin, because soul hits can build up.
Any word on this?
Lord Knight Calemnon, Jouster of Therengia
Any word on this?
Lord Knight Calemnon, Jouster of Therengia
<<What can I expect in regard to success rate and training for a young character with single-digit escaping on something like, say, blood wolves? Total failure and poor training? If this is a PAFO deal no worries, I'll wait to use it. :)>>
If you don't get stunned, knocked over, etc. while fleeing you can do it but it probably won't teach very well. It's a lot like skinning in terms of experience. You want to flee from things that have comparable attack skill vs. your escaping.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
If you don't get stunned, knocked over, etc. while fleeing you can do it but it probably won't teach very well. It's a lot like skinning in terms of experience. You want to flee from things that have comparable attack skill vs. your escaping.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
<<While I understand the idea of the soul hit, the fact that retreating doesn't hurt soul, and that paladins really have no means of training escaping aside from fleeing, I don't really see it as a viable option of training escaping for a paladin, because soul hits can build up. Any word on this?>>
Flee != Retreat
The penalty is pretty small.
If the small soul hit isn't worth the experience, then don't use flee to train escaping.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Flee != Retreat
The penalty is pretty small.
If the small soul hit isn't worth the experience, then don't use flee to train escaping.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
are there any combat penalties to fleeing? Evasion hit?
Da Madd Webba
How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sportin' with puppies?
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
Da Madd Webba
How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sportin' with puppies?
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
I've been testing this .. Hunting at level it seemed to give me a bit of an evasion hit when I failed to flee. I was holding my own fine against 3 Blight ogres and started getting creamated when my flee failed. Didn't seem to hurt me in the midst of the flee though, you can't do anything while fleeing .. can't check experience or retreat on your own. Hunting at level I failed once and succeeded once. I'm heading to a couple more hunting areas to play with it more extensively.
Learning wise, I went from clear to pondering with one flee, at 50 ranks in escaping -- using vines in Theren which are way below me combat-wise. I forgot to check my learning rate when I used it at level but I don't think it was any higher. There does appear to be a timer to learning from it, but its not a bad one.
I absolutely love it, the messaging is great!
Solstitia
Peperic says, "oddness follows you Sols."
Zadraes tucks his arms under his side, quickly waddles up to you and shouts, "BEGAWK"! Woa!
Learning wise, I went from clear to pondering with one flee, at 50 ranks in escaping -- using vines in Theren which are way below me combat-wise. I forgot to check my learning rate when I used it at level but I don't think it was any higher. There does appear to be a timer to learning from it, but its not a bad one.
I absolutely love it, the messaging is great!
Solstitia
Peperic says, "oddness follows you Sols."
Zadraes tucks his arms under his side, quickly waddles up to you and shouts, "BEGAWK"! Woa!
<<Hunting at level it seemed to give me a bit of an evasion hit when I failed to flee.>>
It doesn't directly reduce any skill but check your balance and fatigue afterwards - it does reduce those.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
It doesn't directly reduce any skill but check your balance and fatigue afterwards - it does reduce those.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
>>Indirect penalties yes ..
Balance Reduction
Fatigue Loss
Everything is at your back-Ssra<<
Nice a failed flee with 2 melee will be a nice way to get some multi go <snicker>
does the status of the critter affect fleeing? (webbed, stunned etc)
Da Madd Webba
How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sportin' with puppies?
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
Balance Reduction
Fatigue Loss
Everything is at your back-Ssra<<
Nice a failed flee with 2 melee will be a nice way to get some multi go <snicker>
does the status of the critter affect fleeing? (webbed, stunned etc)
Da Madd Webba
How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sportin' with puppies?
You might as well pay attention since your behind can't afford free speech
I'm like a pee stained mattress, don't sleep on me!
>>If it reduces their chance to attack or their attack skill, then it helps you.
Does it effect experience gain? Is gain based off of the base ranks of the creature, or their effective ranks?
What about boosting your escape through magical means? I know it helps your attempt, but will it decrease your experience?
Saying that it's "a lot like skinning" worries me. :)
-Teeklin
"Gown Removed Carelessly. Head, less so." - Joss Whedon
Does it effect experience gain? Is gain based off of the base ranks of the creature, or their effective ranks?
What about boosting your escape through magical means? I know it helps your attempt, but will it decrease your experience?
Saying that it's "a lot like skinning" worries me. :)
-Teeklin
"Gown Removed Carelessly. Head, less so." - Joss Whedon
<<New question, just for curiosity's sake. Was it hard to code? Seems like it factors in a fair amount of combat variables.>>
Flee was one of the first scripts I wrote back in 2003 as a new(er) GM. It got put on hold due to DR2 stuff. Glad to finally get it out.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Flee was one of the first scripts I wrote back in 2003 as a new(er) GM. It got put on hold due to DR2 stuff. Glad to finally get it out.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Quesiton. I understand this part:
>Any room that has fog, is dark, or has a special contest to move (swimming) will keep you in the same room regardless but it will clear you out of combat so you can move as your normally would.
However, with a certain ability, Pythea can see in the dark, and therefore, see available exits. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to matter with flee:
A pale Gnome runs through the area screaming, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! FLEEEEE!"
>
Soft plumes of golden light blossom deep within the imperial topaz on your forehead, playing off the skin around your eyes.
>blink
You blink.
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You knock aside the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're battered, off balance with opponent in strong position.]
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You beat off the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're battered, off balance with opponent in very strong position.]
>flee
For some inexplicable reason, you can't flee from this area. You frantically attempt to disengage from combat.
>flee
You are already attempting to flee!
>* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You slap away most of the fangs with a scimitar.
The fangs lands a good strike that barely punctures the skin on the upper chest causing a slight welt.
[You're winded, battered, somewhat off balance with opponent in excellent position.]
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You fend off the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're winded, battered, somewhat off balance with opponent in strong position.]
>laugh
It's all a blur!
>
You manage to free yourself from engagement and look to make an escape.
Your enhanced sight lets you see...
[Upper Caverns]
Passages lead out of the large chamber like spokes from the hub of a wagon wheel. Dust and rubble cover the floor in cluttered disarray. The ceiling is lost behind many layers of webbing, old and new, as if to hold back the falling stone of the roof. A small cairn stands in the center of the room. You also see a nightreaver unyn, a nightreaver unyn, and a nightreaver unyn that appears stunned.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
Any way you'd think about allowances for sight, perhaps?
-Pythea-
>focus spouse
You are a bit too busy performing to do that.
>Any room that has fog, is dark, or has a special contest to move (swimming) will keep you in the same room regardless but it will clear you out of combat so you can move as your normally would.
However, with a certain ability, Pythea can see in the dark, and therefore, see available exits. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to matter with flee:
A pale Gnome runs through the area screaming, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! FLEEEEE!"
>
Soft plumes of golden light blossom deep within the imperial topaz on your forehead, playing off the skin around your eyes.
>blink
You blink.
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You knock aside the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're battered, off balance with opponent in strong position.]
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You beat off the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're battered, off balance with opponent in very strong position.]
>flee
For some inexplicable reason, you can't flee from this area. You frantically attempt to disengage from combat.
>flee
You are already attempting to flee!
>* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You slap away most of the fangs with a scimitar.
The fangs lands a good strike that barely punctures the skin on the upper chest causing a slight welt.
[You're winded, battered, somewhat off balance with opponent in excellent position.]
>
* A nightreaver unyn lunges with venom-dripping mandibles at you. You fend off the fangs with a scimitar.
[You're winded, battered, somewhat off balance with opponent in strong position.]
>laugh
It's all a blur!
>
You manage to free yourself from engagement and look to make an escape.
Your enhanced sight lets you see...
[Upper Caverns]
Passages lead out of the large chamber like spokes from the hub of a wagon wheel. Dust and rubble cover the floor in cluttered disarray. The ceiling is lost behind many layers of webbing, old and new, as if to hold back the falling stone of the roof. A small cairn stands in the center of the room. You also see a nightreaver unyn, a nightreaver unyn, and a nightreaver unyn that appears stunned.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
Any way you'd think about allowances for sight, perhaps?
-Pythea-
>focus spouse
You are a bit too busy performing to do that.
>>However, with a certain ability, Pythea can see in the dark, and therefore, see available exits.
Don't forget DR, those moon mage things and mundane means of lighting (if these haven't been included already)
Strangeguard
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Don't forget DR, those moon mage things and mundane means of lighting (if these haven't been included already)
Strangeguard
http://www.vurtego.com/
<<Any way you'd think about allowances for sight, perhaps?>>
Those areas tend to check to see if the player can see before they move. Given I can't possibly add support for every possible room in the game at the initial release it will still let you flee, it just won't move you.
As I get time I'll add certain areas but I have to organize that with the province owner and such.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
Those areas tend to check to see if the player can see before they move. Given I can't possibly add support for every possible room in the game at the initial release it will still let you flee, it just won't move you.
As I get time I'll add certain areas but I have to organize that with the province owner and such.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
>Those areas tend to check to see if the player can see before they move. Given I can't possibly add support for every possible room in the game at the initial release it will still let you flee, it just won't move you.
You mean the default "It's pitch dark and you can't see a thing!" right? Whatever the room is set for without a character's boosts?
-Pythea-
>focus spouse
You are a bit too busy performing to do that.
You mean the default "It's pitch dark and you can't see a thing!" right? Whatever the room is set for without a character's boosts?
-Pythea-
>focus spouse
You are a bit too busy performing to do that.
Can't flee to another direction in geni or leucro even with enough scout/perc to never fail moving correctly. Ah, well. That maze area always seems to be problematic. On to peccs! Thanks for the work on this one. Nice to see escaping get some attention.
Jal
>You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
Jal
>You've gained a new rank in your ability to steal.
Thank you Ssra, I'm sure I'm going to love this to death especially if it can give me some escaping ranks without me having to go to who knows where to get webbed to learn it.
Shadow Web... here I come!
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Something seems a bit off.
I can successfully flee from a polo, which I dont think I should. I only have around 100 escaping, yet I'm still able to flee from polo's whos weapon skill is a lot higher.
I dont seem to be learning it very well either. (Even though I am successful in fleeing.) I'm a bit confused as to how this is suppose to work. I thought you got fatigued and off balance on a failed flee.
Doesnt seem to take long too flee. Which is a good thing.
However, could we also get some messaging for fatigue/balance hits. I noticed my fatigue pulsed twice, before I fled. So did my balance.
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[Hara'jaal, Glaren Kweld]
Ropy grass presses in on every side, hiding all but the vaguest impression of pathways. The ground is covered with a dense loam which cushions footfalls. Rotting detritus fills the air with a heavy scent.
You also see a brown poloh'izh, an amber-scaled hide, and an amber-scaled hide.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
[P]>* Moving as one fluid extension of power, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You evade, barely twisting out of harm's reach.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
[P]>flee n
You suddenly realize that the hunter may be the hunted. After scanning the area for an escape route, you turn and start running north!
[P]>* Driving in like an unbeatable force, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You deflect the claw with a bastard sword.
[You're winded, off balance with opponent in strong position.]
[P]>* Moving with incredible power and control, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You fend off the claw with a bastard sword.
[You're tired, badly balanced with opponent in very strong position.]
[P]>
Deciding to scout out greener pastures, you flee like a whipped dog!
[Hara'jaal, Glaren Kweld]
Ropy grass presses in on every side, hiding all but the vaguest impression of pathways. The ground is covered with a dense loam which cushions footfalls. Rotting detritus fills the air with a heavy scent.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
[P]>
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Falker
I can successfully flee from a polo, which I dont think I should. I only have around 100 escaping, yet I'm still able to flee from polo's whos weapon skill is a lot higher.
I dont seem to be learning it very well either. (Even though I am successful in fleeing.) I'm a bit confused as to how this is suppose to work. I thought you got fatigued and off balance on a failed flee.
Doesnt seem to take long too flee. Which is a good thing.
However, could we also get some messaging for fatigue/balance hits. I noticed my fatigue pulsed twice, before I fled. So did my balance.
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[Hara'jaal, Glaren Kweld]
Ropy grass presses in on every side, hiding all but the vaguest impression of pathways. The ground is covered with a dense loam which cushions footfalls. Rotting detritus fills the air with a heavy scent.
You also see a brown poloh'izh, an amber-scaled hide, and an amber-scaled hide.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
[P]>* Moving as one fluid extension of power, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You evade, barely twisting out of harm's reach.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in better position.]
[P]>flee n
You suddenly realize that the hunter may be the hunted. After scanning the area for an escape route, you turn and start running north!
[P]>* Driving in like an unbeatable force, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You deflect the claw with a bastard sword.
[You're winded, off balance with opponent in strong position.]
[P]>* Moving with incredible power and control, a brown poloh'izh strikes out with its transluscent claws at you. You fend off the claw with a bastard sword.
[You're tired, badly balanced with opponent in very strong position.]
[P]>
Deciding to scout out greener pastures, you flee like a whipped dog!
[Hara'jaal, Glaren Kweld]
Ropy grass presses in on every side, hiding all but the vaguest impression of pathways. The ground is covered with a dense loam which cushions footfalls. Rotting detritus fills the air with a heavy scent.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
[P]>
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Falker
It's working as it should Falk.
If you had better escaping skill the balance and fatigue hit would be minimal. Your escaping skill works to minimize the balance/fatigue reduction. It doens't necessarily dictate if you pass or fail. The object is to not get stunned, webbed, fall prone, etc. while the timer is counting down.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
If you had better escaping skill the balance and fatigue hit would be minimal. Your escaping skill works to minimize the balance/fatigue reduction. It doens't necessarily dictate if you pass or fail. The object is to not get stunned, webbed, fall prone, etc. while the timer is counting down.
-Ssra
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Albert Einstein
