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I love the idea of bloodworms in crocs, but I think there are a couple adjustments that might be worth making.
I think the rate at which worms are aquired may be a bit too high when there is only one person in the area. In under two or three minutes, I managed to get 3 worms when I was alone there this morning. This seems like too much to me. In contrast, I spent nearly an hour there when it was crowded the other day and only got one worm. I don't know if the number of hunters affects generation, but it sure seems like it.
With 71 first aid, and 50 some skinning, I can tend off a worm about once in six tries. This means that it will take me 3 minutes to get a worm off, usually. I guess this wouldn't be so bad, but with 3 on me right away, I am going to be occupied for almost 10 minutes, just with getting rid of the worms.
Unless I die. I have 24 stamina, which I don't think is low for the crocodile area, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna drop a few seconds after I can log on after work. The combination of the number of worms, the amount of time it takes me to remove them and the amount of vitality they are sapping makes this an untenable situation for me. I realize those two survival skills are a bit on the low side for someone at 35th circle, probably even for clerics, but I don't think 70 FA is too little to expect as a reasonable number to expect from general croc hunters.
-Father Gheist
PS I think it is kinda ironic that I'm kinda dying from the thing that's supposed to help eliminate pet bleeders, because I never kept pet bleeders. Har!
Good thoughts Gheist. Heres a couple of suggestions for those that really really really want to hunt crocs with lower survivals.
- As soon as you see the "tired" eat yelith/jadice, dont leave home without it.
- Wait for the worms to become engorged, they are so easy to take off at that point
- You can skin them off you, sortof. Not sure if its a puzzle/secret, but tending with a sharp object might make a difference.
- If you get infected, do not waste anytime getting to an empath
- Get a decent courage if you can before you go in
- Ask for help in rooms you pass through
I had a young guy come into my room yesterday with 4 of these worms on him, he asked if we would drag him because he couldnt tend and expected to die (he was 'very beat up' from a whisper), I guarded him, told him to lie down, 40 seconds and a nice courage later, he was on his way. I never saw him fall. Not quite ardent FA and skinning.
-Slaris
- As soon as you see the "tired" eat yelith/jadice, dont leave home without it.
- Wait for the worms to become engorged, they are so easy to take off at that point
- You can skin them off you, sortof. Not sure if its a puzzle/secret, but tending with a sharp object might make a difference.
- If you get infected, do not waste anytime getting to an empath
- Get a decent courage if you can before you go in
- Ask for help in rooms you pass through
I had a young guy come into my room yesterday with 4 of these worms on him, he asked if we would drag him because he couldnt tend and expected to die (he was 'very beat up' from a whisper), I guarded him, told him to lie down, 40 seconds and a nice courage later, he was on his way. I never saw him fall. Not quite ardent FA and skinning.
-Slaris
>>I think the rate at which worms are aquired may be a bit too high when there is only one person in the area. In under two or three minutes, I managed to get 3 worms when I was alone there this morning. This seems like too much to me. In contrast, I spent nearly an hour there when it was crowded the other day and only got one worm. I don't know if the number of hunters affects generation, but it sure seems like it.
It sounds to me more that there are a set number of bloodworms available, so with more people, each person is less likely to get infested.
>>With 71 first aid, and 50 some skinning, I can tend off a worm about once in six tries. This means that it will take me 3 minutes to get a worm off, usually. I guess this wouldn't be so bad, but with 3 on me right away, I am going to be occupied for almost 10 minutes, just with getting rid of the worms.
You might want to consider getting out of the swamps before tending, others have stated how much easier they are to get off when you aren't standing in water to your hips... And use a skinning knife as well, some claim that that really helps, too.
It sounds to me more that there are a set number of bloodworms available, so with more people, each person is less likely to get infested.
>>With 71 first aid, and 50 some skinning, I can tend off a worm about once in six tries. This means that it will take me 3 minutes to get a worm off, usually. I guess this wouldn't be so bad, but with 3 on me right away, I am going to be occupied for almost 10 minutes, just with getting rid of the worms.
You might want to consider getting out of the swamps before tending, others have stated how much easier they are to get off when you aren't standing in water to your hips... And use a skinning knife as well, some claim that that really helps, too.
That one in six figure is on the stone road. It is also a slightly liberal estimate Teeklin, so I may be off a touch (I didn't want to overstate the difficulty and appear to be inflating my concerns). I haven't had any better luck with a knife. Agility is 20 and perception is 88, if they factor in.
It just seems to me the numbers I'm hearing from folks are kinda high for croc hunters. It is a teens circle hunting ground, right? I don't have much perspective on survival skills, but I am concerned that the bloodworms represent a challenge in excess of the hunting ground's intended audience. I may also just be a whiney survival tert, heh.
-Father Gheist
It just seems to me the numbers I'm hearing from folks are kinda high for croc hunters. It is a teens circle hunting ground, right? I don't have much perspective on survival skills, but I am concerned that the bloodworms represent a challenge in excess of the hunting ground's intended audience. I may also just be a whiney survival tert, heh.
-Father Gheist
> I don't have much perspective on survival skills, but I am concerned that the bloodworms represent a challenge in excess of the hunting ground's intended audience.
I think the challenge of beating on crocs and tending vit sucking wounds has raised the bar a little bit, The area is certainly survivable, and trains many skills very well, at the expense of not learning stalking anymore. The gains far outweigh the losses.
I would still like to see some crocs that teach a little higher than the blue-bellied ones, in an area close by, to raise the bar even further.
-Slaris
I think the challenge of beating on crocs and tending vit sucking wounds has raised the bar a little bit, The area is certainly survivable, and trains many skills very well, at the expense of not learning stalking anymore. The gains far outweigh the losses.
I would still like to see some crocs that teach a little higher than the blue-bellied ones, in an area close by, to raise the bar even further.
-Slaris
A couple comments.
-Find an empath and hunt with them. There tend to be a lot of them wandering around the marsh and/or up for a trip.
-I don't know if it's an empath only feature, but I don't need people to lie down in order to remove their bloodworms.
-I don't think there's a set number that are split up among people. However from my and other empaths experience the number of appearing bloodworms does vary greatly. Some people think it's on a day related schedule with more worms at dawn and dusk.
-Unless it's changed recently, you only get worms from moving from room to room, so sticking to one spot should be safer for those who want to hunt with lower first aid.
Ythik
-Find an empath and hunt with them. There tend to be a lot of them wandering around the marsh and/or up for a trip.
-I don't know if it's an empath only feature, but I don't need people to lie down in order to remove their bloodworms.
-I don't think there's a set number that are split up among people. However from my and other empaths experience the number of appearing bloodworms does vary greatly. Some people think it's on a day related schedule with more worms at dawn and dusk.
-Unless it's changed recently, you only get worms from moving from room to room, so sticking to one spot should be safer for those who want to hunt with lower first aid.
Ythik
>I would still like to see some crocs that teach a little higher than the blue-bellied ones, in an area close by, to raise the bar even further.
Towint (The GM in charge of bloodsuckers) has stated that there are plans to add additional bloodsuckers to various hunting areas across many skill levels. (And maybe even some to non-hunting areas)
Ythik
Towint (The GM in charge of bloodsuckers) has stated that there are plans to add additional bloodsuckers to various hunting areas across many skill levels. (And maybe even some to non-hunting areas)
Ythik
everything Ythik said...
...or, if you don't have an empath companion, make an effort to wear a gweth. I (and I am sure most other empaths...and hunters!) keep an eye on our thoughts, and if I hear someone in the marsh ask for help, I make every effort to find them. Just stay in one place (makes it easier to find you AND you will lower the chance of gathering more worms) and listen to your thoughts for a reply. Gweths are your friends...tee hee...
I know sometimes it seems deserted, but often I think people stop out on the road for a few moments in hiding to 'rest' but they are there...
And, on a side note, I am not sure if the other methods are any easier (I am able to tend worms off with sucess 19/20 times), but there are at least 3 different ways I have found to remove the worms, you might try the others to see if they are easier:
tend my right/left leg
remove worm
hold worm
And, although I have not tried it myself, I too have heard that tending WITH a blade makes it easier as well.
Kythryn, in training for the Ilithi Healing game tryouts
ps. almost forgot, Towint was in the marsh a few nights back, stopping and talking with people about the worms. I have a nice looong log of that if anyone wants to read it over. It's empath-centric, but most of the discussion was about blood critters, and would be intresting to all. Just drop me a note at my play.net address and I'll send along a copy.
...or, if you don't have an empath companion, make an effort to wear a gweth. I (and I am sure most other empaths...and hunters!) keep an eye on our thoughts, and if I hear someone in the marsh ask for help, I make every effort to find them. Just stay in one place (makes it easier to find you AND you will lower the chance of gathering more worms) and listen to your thoughts for a reply. Gweths are your friends...tee hee...
I know sometimes it seems deserted, but often I think people stop out on the road for a few moments in hiding to 'rest' but they are there...
And, on a side note, I am not sure if the other methods are any easier (I am able to tend worms off with sucess 19/20 times), but there are at least 3 different ways I have found to remove the worms, you might try the others to see if they are easier:
tend my right/left leg
remove worm
hold worm
And, although I have not tried it myself, I too have heard that tending WITH a blade makes it easier as well.
Kythryn, in training for the Ilithi Healing game tryouts
ps. almost forgot, Towint was in the marsh a few nights back, stopping and talking with people about the worms. I have a nice looong log of that if anyone wants to read it over. It's empath-centric, but most of the discussion was about blood critters, and would be intresting to all. Just drop me a note at my play.net address and I'll send along a copy.
I think the blood worms are great for those that have lower first aid. Anyone with higher first aid they are just about useless. I spent about an hour there the other night and decided it was not worth it. By the time I got 4 or 5 blood worms on me then tended then went to get more, my first aid was clear, and never got above muddled.
I do suggest more in higher area hunting areas such as Geni that teach from about the 200 to 300 range more efficiently. Maybe even the 150 to 300 range.
Arctuniol
I do suggest more in higher area hunting areas such as Geni that teach from about the 200 to 300 range more efficiently. Maybe even the 150 to 300 range.
Arctuniol
>I do suggest more in higher area hunting areas such as Geni that teach from about the 200 to 300 range more efficiently. Maybe even the 150 to 300 range.
So I am curious then, when the worms top off with FA...right now, I am beginning adept in FA and it stays locked. Albiet I am hunting them for the TF, and all FA is gravy, I just assumed that I would be learning FA well into expert level with them at the rate I am currently learning...
Kythryn, waterlogged
So I am curious then, when the worms top off with FA...right now, I am beginning adept in FA and it stays locked. Albiet I am hunting them for the TF, and all FA is gravy, I just assumed that I would be learning FA well into expert level with them at the rate I am currently learning...
Kythryn, waterlogged
I have to say I found the blood worms pretty difficult to deal with. I tried to remove them with 60's in skinning and FA and when they were engourged and using a knife and I had no luck. Maybe they could make a third easier way to remove them.
Something like if you just use your hands its the hardest and most exp gain, use a knife a little easier and little less exp, and maybe use fire it would be even easier and again little less exp.
As it stands I couldn't hunt effectively in crocs with them anymore, glad I've moved on to Marauders and creepers....
Kahel
Something like if you just use your hands its the hardest and most exp gain, use a knife a little easier and little less exp, and maybe use fire it would be even easier and again little less exp.
As it stands I couldn't hunt effectively in crocs with them anymore, glad I've moved on to Marauders and creepers....
Kahel
The time it takes to learn to at higher levels is not worth the time you have to spend in there trying to learn. In the same amount of time I can lock 3 or 4 other skills. To me it doesn't balance out. Now if they were in an area like Geni's where I can learn weapons and survival skills it would make more sense.
Since I get no benefit from the swamps except first aid, and it is not a whole lot of benefit, there is no real reason to go up there.
Arctuniol
Since I get no benefit from the swamps except first aid, and it is not a whole lot of benefit, there is no real reason to go up there.
Arctuniol
>Since I get no benefit from the swamps except first aid, and it is not a whole lot of benefit, there is no real reason to go up there.
While I agree it's not an ideal place, I also locked skinning at 250 ranks and learned mech at nearly 200 ranks.
For quick runs through on the way to other stuff, it's pretty amazing.
Xavier
While I agree it's not an ideal place, I also locked skinning at 250 ranks and learned mech at nearly 200 ranks.
For quick runs through on the way to other stuff, it's pretty amazing.
Xavier
