>>Hey, just curious if folks have much experience with Outlander and how it compares to some of the other Front ends. I have a Mac and thinking out what my options are beyond the webclient. I previously was working on Avalon + YASSE but had some technical problems when transitioning to a newer MacBook.

I just wanted to mention that I am successfully using Avalon + YASSE on OSX El Capitan. If I recall, you have to be sure to use the older version of Avalon.

I don't have any experience with Outlander yet, though I would like to try it out soonish. It looks like it has a lot of promise, especially if it gets more development.


- Navesi

Thanks for the interest!

> I do wish there was better documentation to the features.

Which features would you like more documentation on?

> but it is a still a work in progress

This is quite true. I most recently did a big upgrade to Apple's most recent programming updates and have fixed several bugs, including several around the mapping features. I will be posting an updated version some time this weekend.

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New version published! https://github.com/joemcbride/outlander-osx/releases

> Trigger syntax and capability would be a big step.

I'll add something to the docs, though here's a little info right now:

The triggers use regex. It will attempt to match any text coming from the game. If it matches, it will execute the "Action" provided. Typically the action would be any command that you can type into the command prompt. One new feature with 0.8 is the ability to use capture groups in the action. I provided an example regex/action in the 0.8 release notes.

Here's a website that can help with building regex:

http://rubular.com/r/iiq2oJQVKA

> I know you can use arrays within scripts, but are you planning to implement them within the variables or highlights, like a list of names, for example.

I don't have plans for this exactly. Are you basically looking for an easier way to manage and create character name highlights? I know Genie provides a separate list for just names and I've considered adding that.

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>>One thing I should note ... the latest version requires at least OSX Yosemite (10.10).

I keep up to date, and it's free to upgrade so I think this is pretty reasonable. Sometimes people can't due to legacy software issues, but I feel like this problem is becoming more rare.


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> If I could put something like (blinding|blazing|glaring|flaring|brilliant) in a highlight line, I could reduce to just five highlights.

Ah, you can do that. Highlights support regex. To highlight a full line:

http://rubular.com/r/29rzcwwiqZ

> it would be really great if we could sort the highlights by color

I have thought this before myself. I'll add that to my list of features to add.


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Heyo,

So, after playing with Outlander for a bit longer, I’m liking it more. I really like the debugging options for script testing, but would still like to see more documentation or examples on the script commands. Being in a giving mood, I thought I’d share the buffs script I’ve put together this week.

This script was written to keep up my buffs without me having to constantly monitor and manage them. As presented here, it keeps up Swirling Winds, Y’ntrel Sechra, Manifest Force, Ethereal Shield, Ease Burden, and Substratum, although it could easily be expanded, shortened, or swapped around for your choice of buffs. Keep in mind, it isn’t meant to lock magic skills, although it does help keep them moving, it is only meant to keep the buffs up. The mana casting levels suit my skills (Elemental Magic and Attunement in the low 200’s) without depleting my mana too quickly, but your mileage my vary.

As a side note, this script can be run parallel with the hunt script available on the Outlander website.

The first thing I did was set up a group of triggers and variables to capture the up/down messaging from the buff spells. I won’t post them all, since it would be tedious, but here are my triggers for YS as an example...

^(The cushioning currents of wind about you rapidly disperse.)$ #VAR yntrel.sechra 0
^(A stiff breeze surrounds you, molding itself to your body and cushioning you against the weight of your armor.)$ #VAR yntrel.sechra 1

Then I divided up the power scale into a sort of bell curve and created triggers and a variable to grab that info, like so...

^(You reach out with your senses and see (blinding|blazing|glaring|flaring|brilliant).*)$ #VAR room.power 7
^(You reach out with your senses and see (fulgent|radiant|luminous).*)$ #VAR room.power 6
^(You reach out with your senses and see (shining|lambent).*)$ #VAR room.power 5
^(You reach out with your senses and see (glowing).*)$ #VAR room.power 4
^(You reach out with your senses and see (pulsating|shimmering).*)$ #VAR room.power 3
^(You reach out with your senses and see (flickering|pale|dusky).*)$ #VAR room.power 2
^(You reach out with your senses and see (muted|dull|hazy|dim|faint).*)$ #VAR room.power 1

With the triggers all in place, I wrote a script to keep six buffs up, and here it is...

#
# Script Variables
#

var cast_mana 10
var loop_count 7
var no_cast 0
var spell none

#
# Script Begins
#

main:

if %loop_count >= 7 then gosub powercheck
if $mana <= 25 {
gosub recover
}
gosub spellcheck
if %spell != none {
gosub prep
}
pause 15
math loop_count add 1
goto main

powercheck:

var loop_count 0
if $roundtime >= 1 {
pause $roundtime
}
matchre powercheck ^\.\.\.wait|^Sorry, you may only type
matchre powerrate ^You reach out with your senses and see
put power
matchwait
return

powerrate:

pause 1
if $room.power >= 6 {
var no_cast 0
var cast_mana 30
put #echo #3e8dff * * * Casting buffs at 30 mana * * *
return
}
if $room.power == 5 {
var no_cast 0
var cast_mana 25
put #echo #3e8dff * * * Casting buffs at 25 mana * * *
return
}
if $room.power == 4 {
var no_cast 0
var cast_mana 20
put #echo #3e8dff * * * Casting buffs at 20 mana * * *
return
}
if $room.power == 3 {
var no_cast 0
var cast_mana 15
put #echo #3e8dff * * * Casting buffs at 15 mana * * *
return
}
if $room.power <= 2 {
var no_cast 1
put #echo #ff7100 * * * Room power low, pausing buff casts, is Ethereal Fissure down? * * *
return
}
return

spellcheck:

if $swirling.winds == 0 {
var spell sw
return
}
if $yntrel.sechra == 0 {
var spell ys
return
}
if $manifest.force == 0 {
var spell maf
return
}
if $ethereal.shield == 0 {
var spell es
return
}
if $ease.burden == 0 {
var spell ease
return
}
if $substratum == 0 {
var spell substratum
return
}
var spell none
return

prep:

if %no_cast == 1 {
return
}
if $mana <= 30 {
put #echo #ff7100 * * * Mana low! Aborting spell prep! * * *
return
}
if $roundtime >= 1 {
pause $roundtime
}
matchre prep ^\.\.\.wait|^Sorry, you may only type
matchre main ^You are already preparing
matchre main ^You have already fully prepared
matchre clean ^You trace a careful sigil in the air
put prepare %spell %cast_mana
matchwait
return

clean:

var spell none
pause 10
return

recover:

put #echo #3e8dff * * * Pausing to recover mana... * * *
pause 20
return

The astute reader will note that the script doesn’t actually cast anything. I handle that seperately with this trigger...

^You feel fully prepared to cast your spell. .cast

Which fires this short script…

main:

if $roundtime >= 1 {
pause $roundtime
}
matchre main ^\.\.\.wait|^Sorry, you may only type
matchre done ^You gesture.$
matchre aether ^You must specify an element in order to cast this spell.$
put cast
matchwait
exit

aether:

if $roundtime >= 1 {
pause $roundtime
}
matchre aether ^\.\.\.wait|^Sorry, you may only type
matchre done ^You roll your hands in an elliptical pattern in front of you.$
put cast aether
matchwait

done:

exit


Enjoy,

Anabasis

Have you checked out http://rubular.com/ Brennarose?

And a guide for Ruby regex programming http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/#UJ

Atom is a useful text editor for your scripts https://atom.io/

(full disclosure I don't use outlander)

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Thanks Skaen! Got my highlights working. Anyone help out with the automapper. It appears there is a more current update that doesn't work. Not sure what changes were made but would be nice to have the 2015 maps versus the 2012 maps. Let me know if I am doing something wrong, but I just can seem to get the files showing in the dropdown for the automapper.

Brenna

Yes, I was able to go back and download the older set and they worked. I then installed the update over the older set and they worked as well.

Maybe you can answer my next question, I can navigate within a single map with the #goto<roomID> command, however, how would I go between say the Crossing Bank and the Riverhaven Bank? Can you possibly post the command here so I have a valid working example? I have tried the #goto<roomid> , #goto<zoneid> with what I think is correct but keep coming up with errors, I am sure it's just me not understanding the specific numbers to put in, like the hexidecimal color code thing. Thank you.

Brenna

If it's anything like Genie then you can script moving from map to map in blocks based on map connections since the automapper parses a command to genie to let it know when it has either completed successfully ("send #parse YOU HAVE ARRIVED") or has failed ("send #parse YOU HAVE FAILED"). It doesn't echo to the game window but other scripts or global triggers can match off of whatever was parsed just as if it had been sent by the game. I'm not sure if outlander does parsing like that or not. If not, then that would be a good suggestion for it to have.

Here's a simple example taken from my climbing script that lets me start my Crossing climbing script from (mostly) anywhere around the Crossing without having to worry about being in a specific room or small set of rooms.

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action goto done when eval $Athletics.LearningRate = 34
send #mapper reset
if "$zoneid" = "1" then goto Move_Climb
if "$zoneid" = "7" then goto Move_Crossing
if "$zoneid" = "4" then goto Move_Crossing
if "$zoneid" = "8" then goto Move_Crossing
if "$zoneid" = "6" then goto Move_Crossing
if "$zoneid" = "2a" then goto Move_Crossing
exit

Move_Crossing:
matchre Move_Climb ^YOU HAVE ARRIVED
matchre Move_Crossing ^MOVE FAILED
send #goto crossing
matchwait

Move_Climb:
matchre CLIMB_START ^YOU HAVE ARRIVED
matchre Move_Climb ^MOVE FAILED
send #goto 390
matchwait

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Pushed out a new version with a bunch of updates, including handling all window streams (woohoo for the percWindow/Active Spells window now!), and the automapper is a little smarter and won't get stuck on those "rt north" commands any longer. The automapper script needs more updates to handle all of the scenarios, though the script engine now has a better ability to handle it.

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> Thank you for all the work you're doing on this!

Welcome! I also just added support for gags and substitutes. I had been missing both of those! A few more automapper bugs to squash and I think I can finally never fire up Genie again ...

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>I'm really looking forward to when I can feel replace Avalon/Yasse with it.

Just out of curiosity, what does it still need for you to switch over?

Anabasis

I am also very excited to be able to switch to outlander. I agree with Illiena that the scripting language is a barrier since, last time I check a few months ago, I was unable to convert a few of my scripts from YASSE (some crucial functions were missing). I also found it to be very sluggish but then figured out that 5000 lines of highlights (I am not joking, I was shocked when I did a line count) was the cause. Strangely enough if you just make one huge highlight for each colour things seem to work better.

But that I mean I converted:

highlight A
highlight B
highlight C
...
highlight ZZZ

to

highlight (A|B|C...ZZZ).

After all that, I do have a question. Do the substitutes work? I can't find a tab to enter them and I have no idea what the format is to enter them manually in the file. Could someone fill me in?

> The big thing for me is the bugs in the scripting language. I've got a bunch of examples where if statements don't act as they're supposed to.

Ditto here. Top level ifs seem to work okay, though nested ifs (ifs within ifs) have some issues. You're also only able to have one "expression" - "this || that", vs. "this || that || other".

> Another annoyance is the handful of rooms where the mapper doesn't respond correctly. These screw up in Genie as well, so I'm guessing it's a flaw in the maps.

I know of a few myself, though getting a list of these from you would be helpful.

With my most recent additions with 9.0-9.4, I've switched over for daily training. There are still a few things with Automapper that are annoying, so I'll probably switch to genie for "crucial" encounters (quests, festivals, heavy hunting, etc.). Two main things I'm going to focus on right now are 1) make a #mapper reset type function - attempt to find your current location, even if that's not on the currently selected map 2) find your map/location after running Ranger trails - which may be solved with utilizing #1.

After that I'm going to revamp the script engine to handle those if blocks better, support multiple boolean expressions, and fix some variable/label issues.

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Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere. Was just wondering if Outlander is able to support a conversation window?

When I #window list all, no conversation or talk window is listed. I can close and open the basic windows, but can't seem to access the conversation windows. Looks like I have an older version of outlander, I'll try an update.

Late to the conversation here, but if a window is not listed, it can be added:

#window add conversation

You can also use #window add <name> to add any number of custom windows you want.

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