So I spent close to an hour tonight fighting a paladin 20ish circles my junior, so 150 barb vs 130ish paladin. My barb has 870 shield. 834 light armor, 700 chain, 868 defending, 819 parry, 860 LT, 860 LX, 803 small edge. You get the idea. The paladin has roughly mid 500s armor and weapons. I was thoroughly dominated, repeatedly, and never got him below 80% vitality. No combination of berserks, meditations, forms or roars could tip the scale. I tried melee, thrown, LX, poach, fire, offhand and main hand. Something is VERY wrong here. He took out another 150 barb with similar skills and also easily defeated Gorteous.
Could someone look in to this? If my barb can not stand toe to toe with a paladin 30 circles his junior, how can the argument be made that we have combat superiority?

Curious maybe if he was successfully halting you? I know that carries a pretty huge penalty to the defender if they can pull it off. Also how long were these fights?

Logs would be the most helpful.

Yea, he was definitely bugged. He shouldn't be able to touch me at all. No one I've fought with (Leilond, Aaoskar, Raikage, Vymos, Kyudo) has consistently hit me that hard.

Balance and RT are in their own separate windows, so they don't appear in the log.

Had Contemplation, Piranha, Dragon and Turtle up.
1046 shield, 1107 evasion, 1217 parry

He said he has around 500 2HE.

...

R> stanc
You are currently using 100% of your evasion skill.
You are currently using 99% of your shield block skill.
You are currently using 0% of your weapon parry skill.
You are attacking with 100% of your offensive skill.

Last Combat Maneuver: Dodge
R> get sa

You get a tempered sabre from inside your hitman's backpack.
> stow

You put your sabre in your hitman's backpack.
>
>
Uthgaar closes to pole weapon range on you!
> get second sab

* Uthgaar charges an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You barely fail to block with skirmisher's shield.
The greataxe lands a hard hit (5/22) to your abdomen.
>
You get a pockmarked kertig sabre from inside your hitman's backpack.
> rem shie

You loosen the straps securing your skirmisher's shield and remove it.
> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
>
> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's right hand.
R>
Dreaderic grows healthier before your eyes!
>
>
>
Dreaderic visibly churns with an inner rage!
> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's left leg.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to dodge.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's right leg.
R> jab
...wait 1 seconds.
R> jab

* Uthgaar chops an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You attempt to evade.
The greataxe lands a hard hit (5/22) to your chest.
R>
>
You feel fully rested.

>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to dodge.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's right arm.
R> jab
jab
...wait 1 seconds.
R> jab
...wait 1 seconds.
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's abdomen.
R> jab
...wait 1 seconds.
R> jab
jab
...wait 1 seconds.
>
> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's chest.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's chest.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's abdomen.
R> jab

* Uthgaar chops an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You barely block with a lumium skirmisher's shield.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's chest.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's right leg.
jab
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a good hit (2/22) to Uthgaar's left leg.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar fails to dodge.
The sabre lands a good strike (3/22) to Uthgaar's left leg.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to evade.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's abdomen.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to evade.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's left hand.
jab
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar completely fails to block with his battle shield.
The sabre lands a good strike (3/22) to Uthgaar's neck.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to evade.
The sabre lands a good strike (3/22) to Uthgaar's right hand.
R> jab

Uthgaar chants a brief litany and draws back with a strike of great force!
* Uthgaar slices an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You barely fail to block with skirmisher's shield.
The greataxe lands a strong hit (6/22) to your right arm.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's right arm.
R> jab
>
< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's chest.
R>
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar badly fails to block with a vardite battle shield.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's abdomen.
R> jab

< You jab a pockmarked kertig sabre at Uthgaar. Uthgaar attempts to dodge.
The sabre lands a light hit (1/22) to Uthgaar's chest.
R> jab

Uthgaar chants a brief litany and draws back with a strike of great force!
* Uthgaar slices an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You attempt to evade.
The greataxe lands a strong hit (6/22) that tears the skin over the left elbow, lightly stunning you.

!SR> jab
You are still stunned.
!S>
You feel fully rested.

!S> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!S> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!S>
!S>
!> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!>
Uthgaar chants a brief litany and draws back with a strike of great force!
* Uthgaar slices an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You attempt to evade.
The greataxe lands a hard hit (5/22) that etches a light cut into the right side of the chest, lightly stunning you.

!S> retr
You are still stunned.
!S>
!S>
Your silver brooch warms in response to your danger. A dark glow radiates from the shark at its heart, completely enveloping and concealing you from view.

!SH> l

!H>
!H>
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!H>
Uthgaar searches around for a moment.
Uthgaar has spotted you!
!H>
!H> stand
retr
You come out of hiding.
You are already standing.

!>
You retreat back to pole range.
!>
You are already standing.
!>
You retreat from combat.
!> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!>
Uthgaar begins to advance on you!
Uthgaar is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
!>
!>
!> stanc parr

!>
You are now set to use your parry stance:

Attack : 100%
Evade : 93%
Parry : 100%
Block : 0%

!> 'sheesh
You say, "Sheesh."
!> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!>
!>
!> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!> stow left

You put your shield in your hitman's backpack.
!>
Uthgaar closes to pole weapon range on you!
!>
!>
Dreaderic chuckles.
!> inv armor
All of your armor:

some coarse shalswar-hide leathers
[Type INVENTORY HELP for more options]
!>
* Uthgaar charges an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You badly fail to parry with a pockmarked kertig sabre.
The greataxe lands a powerful strike (10/22) that severs your left hand and sends it flying through the air, knocking you completely senseless.

!S> retr
You are still stunned.
!S>
!S>
!S> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!S> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!S>
!S>
!S> retr
You are still stunned.
!S> l
[Northern Trade Road, Farmlands]
Rich farmland surrounds the road on both sides. The fresh scent of the tilled soil rises all about you. Southward, the walls of a fair-sized city rise near the banks of a glistening river. A faint haze of smoke hovers over the town, blurring the outlines slightly. To the north, distant hills rear up against the grey-blue horizon.
You also see an open crate, a stone pile and an onager.
Also here: Dread Dreaderic and Battle Lion Uthgaar.
Obvious paths: north, south.
!S>
* Uthgaar chops an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You badly fail to block with a pockmarked kertig sabre.
The greataxe lands a strong hit (6/22) that amputates the left arm and a good deal of the shoulder in a crippling blow.
!S>
!S>
!S>
!S> heal

!S>
Your body feels in very bad shape!
Your spirit feels full of life.
You have some tiny scratches to the right arm, a severely swollen and shattered left arm which appears completely useless compounded by an ugly stump for a left arm, a severely swollen and shattered left hand which appears completely useless compounded by an ugly stump for a left hand, severely swollen and bruised chest area compounded by deep cuts across the chest area, some minor abrasions to the abdomen.

Bleeding
Area Rate

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left arm severe
chest light
inside l. arm severe
inside l. hand very bad
inside chest light
You're stunned!

!S> retr
You are still stunned.
!S>
!S> retr
You are still stunned.
!S>
* Uthgaar chops an engraved electrum-plated greataxe at you. You badly fail to block with a pockmarked kertig sabre.
The greataxe lands a strong hit (6/22) that explodes the heart and lungs with a bone-shattering blow to the chest.

!SUP>

!SUP>
You see Uthgaar start to back off just as you lose consciousness. The challenge has been satisfied!

Your terrible chest wounds are bleeding. You had best do something about that.

!SUP>
!SUP>
!UP>
!UP> stanc
You're unconscious. Try again later, when you're not.
!UP>

...

Whatever it was, it was definitely a bug.

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IM: Dannyboy00001111

"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

Look at that barbarian combat prowess go! It'll take a lot more fixes to keep me interested in the direction this guild is going. Also, I think the IF setup needs to be reevaluated. I can't fill it at level, because nothing will die fast enough that I hunt, and it drains too fast, IMO. I can "effectively" stack a small handful of buffs that don't even come close to what current dragon is (which I thought we were told we'd at least come close to). This is at 825 IF. I hope getting close to current dragon does not equate to having 1750 in supernatural skills. I do think the overall ideas are neat, but just need some serious tweaking and more beef. If the best we can do is slow down how fast we go down to magic, yet still swing/throw/fire our weapons about as effectively as anyone else, I don't think I am seeing the perk of being a barbarian. Words can be uttered about how wrong you think I am, but I know what I have been experiencing on test in action.




Squanto: think they'll make it so we can swim to the islands?
Codiax: probably not but who knows
Squanto: maybe moonwalk faster on the iceroad with enough reflex, athletics & xibar up?
Codiax: lol yeah totally. have to sing ice ice baby to make it work

>>nothing to see here. move along. Just a dwarven paladin dealing out justice.

Want to trade? <3



Squanto: think they'll make it so we can swim to the islands?
Codiax: probably not but who knows
Squanto: maybe moonwalk faster on the iceroad with enough reflex, athletics & xibar up?
Codiax: lol yeah totally. have to sing ice ice baby to make it work

Kodius did say that Smite, along with things like Malevolance and Khri Spar were bugged in that they did 5-10x or more damage as any other abilities in the game. So yes he's bugged :P

~ Leilond
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/ss1shadow/Leilond_Progression.jpg

>>Anyone else notice the attacks used? A lot of jabs (low damage, high balance gain) versus a lot of chops/slices/charges

Paladin cyclic spell was up that keeps me pulsing at nimbly balance. Why not do nothing but chop/slice/charge?

>>To let the proverbial "cat out of the bag", for some reason i'm bugged to having around 1400 ranks of 2HE for some reason. I wish I could keep it.

This is why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is so amusing/sad. Because most of it is based off of flawed/incomplete data, so you just wind up looking like a heel when the full picture is known.

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TG, TG, GL, et al.

"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>> Look at that barbarian combat prowess go! It'll take a lot more fixes to keep me interested in the direction this guild is going. Also, I think the IF setup needs to be reevaluated. I can't fill it at level, because nothing will die fast enough that I hunt, and it drains too fast, IMO. I can "effectively" stack a small handful of buffs that don't even come close to what current dragon is (which I thought we were told we'd at least come close to). This is at 825 IF. I hope getting close to current dragon does not equate to having 1750 in supernatural skills. I do think the overall ideas are neat, but just need some serious tweaking and more beef. If the best we can do is slow down how fast we go down to magic, yet still swing/throw/fire our weapons about as effectively as anyone else, I don't think I am seeing the perk of being a barbarian. Words can be uttered about how wrong you think I am, but I know what I have been experiencing on test in action.

Agreed. Increase passive regen rate and increase the base regen point, or get rid of that limitation entirely as it was a terrible idea to begin - considering every ability we have is based off of it. With 800 IF I feel like I can't activate more than 1 form+meditation out of PvM at a time without severe IF drain. That's just crazy unacceptable - considering how potent TM is at this point. Compare mana and conc regen to IF and tell me to not cry foul over this, having already been blown away once by someone with TM near my defense level(Hackett, killed me in 1 cast with the new FOU-like spell). Turtle is an absolute must for fighting mages and Serenity is a must for not having the defensive capacity of a commoner - throw in eagle or dragon for our base attacking buff and I'm already over the hill.

So what's the point of having all these nice new forms if we can't use any of them without sabotaging our abilities? I'm not killing people every half a second in PvP so why is that now a requirement to PvP? Do they really us to have to run to goblins and spend 15 minutes killing stuff to prepare for one fight?

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IM: Dannyboy00001111

"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

I wouldn't worry too much about it all. We're still in the test instance, so it may be premature for Kodius to start making rapid changes. I think it would be more fair to give it a run and see how it goes.

As for Hackett, I think TM may still be on the ranged calcs? Of course I don't know the mechanics behind it, but I believe TM is either on separate calcs altogether or it has been on the ranged calcs the whole time. Bow was put on melee calcs and so that may be the reason why TM is so powerful in 3.0. Or it could just be that that particular spell is out of whack. I'm guessing Hackett doesn't have over 1000 TM?

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Individuals, families, countries, continents are destroyed at the heavy hand of Vinjince.

-GM Abasha

>> I would also like to mention the cyclical nature of our weapon buffs. What was wrong with a straight ranged buff for eagle and melee buff for dragon? Now I have to draw, hold, wait, then throw with ranged, or hold a ranged weapon in my right hand and throw left to get any noticable kind of benefit from eagle. And when switching from say, 2he to small edge, there is a lag in the buff as well. Would the ability to improve our ability with all melee or ranged weapons from these forms be so overpowered? This seems like an interesting concept that just isn't practical and could use some revision, in my opinion.

This is extreeeeemely annoying. There is a noticeable lag on eagle and dragon - the buff itself doesn't even kick in half the time if you go straight to attacking because you have to HOLD the weapon type you are throwing for like 10-15 seconds. We tested it last night with "wield blades;throw" and it didn't bonus thrown most of the time. Why not just make them into straight boosts? Would save a lot of headaches.

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IM: Dannyboy00001111

"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

Barb folders: TM IS OP.

Combat folders: RANGED BEATS TM TM NEEDS HELP

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Adding nothing to the conversation since 1834.

>> It doesn't work the best. It has poor accuracy and doesn't bonus any weapon stats.

It is the most efficient light weapon melee attack. The RT is very low, it builds/keeps balance and has the highest overall DPS of any combo at that weight class and with the huge spread on hit/miss that exists under 3.0, that tohit bonus is totally irrelevant.

Stance: evasion 100 shield 99
Weapon: tempered sabre apu forged, capped steel
Abilities: Contemplation + Piranha + Dragon

h/l/sf dismal force r/f 30 stone

Took 37 jabs to kill an intercessor.
Total RT: 37 seconds.
Hits taken: 0.

Took 27 jab\thrusts to kill an intercessor.
Total RT: 46 seconds.
Hits taken: 10.

I'd be interested in seeing Squanto's 2HE with the same combos.

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IM: Dannyboy00001111

"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

Wait how did you get 800 IF?

- Buuwl

>It's something a lot of people care about too so I wouldn't get too alarmed over all the posts right now. It's still an ongoing process so I think voicing our opinions without suggesting the sky is falling would be the proper way to do it.

Sorry, I had just found it funny that both sides were complaining they were too weak.

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Adding nothing to the conversation since 1834.

> Lets just remove magic entirely. That would end the debate.

Barbs use magic now too :p

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Adding nothing to the conversation since 1834.

Barbs use "majik".

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

hey, traders don't use magic <yet>. Trader realms it is.....


:-)

An arisen dummy zombie bellows, "You will all be ssslaughtered!"
>

>To give that kind of buff those abilities would cost 3 slots. I opted for a cycling skill buff, but the system would croak if I tried to allocate all possible weapon buffs in one go. I hadn't thought about the impact it might have on throwing weapons... we'll have to see if something better can be added later. Now that we have less ranged skills I can probably manage buffing them all at once. We'll have to see.

What about just buffing the mastery skills? Would that work the same way as buffing the individual skills?

<<<<Just to re-iterate too, we'll keep an eye on the IF usage and tweak as necessary. Please don't go ragequitting just because something feels off right now. Constructive feedback helps us get it right. >>>

Im not gonna rage quit, but honestly are barbs supposed to start a pvp fight at 33% IF? Because if so doesn't that mean we have a large advantage from a game balance perspective if we charge up and start at 100%? It's one or the other, either we're balanced starting at 33% And slowly building, or we're totally unbalanced charged up at 100%. I guess the third and worst option is we are under balanced starting a fight at 33% and that makes me sad, because tats the new baseline.

- Buuwl