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It pains me to whine about this, since I really like my tkt, but it seems like there needs to be some tweaking to bring down the total damage of multi shot spells and bring up the damage of single shot spells. As it is right now, I struggle to think of times when I would use any spell over tkt, even with the downside of needing ammo for tkt, and even having access to DFA burn. Tkt seems to be more accurate, and is more damaging, with less mana. From those I've talked to with similar multi-shot spells, the consensus seems to be that they dominate.
From my personal experience, I think tkt could use a slight nerf at lower mana casts, while growing into its current form near the mana cap. On the flip side, I think full targeted capped single cast spells need some up tweaking when it comes to damage and possibly accuracy. It's gotten better this week but it's still underwhelming compared to my weapons. I think brawling actually has a higher DPS for me than my magic, using single shot spells. If I use 2HB or 2HE, it's not even close. If that's intended, so be it, but it seems to relegate TM to an ancillary support role (aside from multi shot spells of course).
I'm not sure that what you're seeing isn't a deliberate design choice; DFA still partially ignores a defense. There was a GM discussion on what good this would do us in 3.0, though I can't remember for the life of me what the result was or where/when.
I think multi-shots have been continually tweaked. They bobbled from 1-shot-kill-at-any-mana on release to teaching nothing, and I think the GMs are just working it into line to get a use for all the spell categories. DFA may become one of the very niche spell types, by design.
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I think multi-shots have been continually tweaked. They bobbled from 1-shot-kill-at-any-mana on release to teaching nothing, and I think the GMs are just working it into line to get a use for all the spell categories. DFA may become one of the very niche spell types, by design.
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Krooner, my reference to burn was only to acknowledge the point that generally people make a huge deal out of DFA availability, and in my case, the creature I am hunting (elder armadillos) rely, or relied, heavily on a shield skill. That TKT outperforms burn even against them is notable. As a general matter, TKT vastly outperforms PD and DO as well, not just burn. You may be right that that is a design decision, but as I said, if that is the decision, it effectively relegates single shot TM use to nothing more than ancillary support--it has no chance of standing up to a melee weapon/thrown weapon/multi-shot showdown.
Traim how is tkt a multi shot spell? I'm not familiar.
From a necro perspective, universal solvent doesn't seem OP (in fact I was really expecting more from it), but all of our single shot spells seem a bit anemic. Vivisection in particular is very bad right now. Blood burst, being our bazooka spell, is just ok. I haven't been wowed.
Comparing universal solvent to blood burst though, blood burst wins damage wise, even though I don't think it's hitting nearly as hard as it does in prime. As it is, I don't see myself using usol outside of maybe training tm depending on how well that goes. Maybe if I have a mob of low level chars chasing me and I have consent on all of them. But it has yet to hit anyone at level that I can hit with blb, and the damage I've seen when it does hit isn't that amazing.
So idk if multi shot spell damage on the whole need adjusting, or if it's on a spell-by-spell basis.
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From a necro perspective, universal solvent doesn't seem OP (in fact I was really expecting more from it), but all of our single shot spells seem a bit anemic. Vivisection in particular is very bad right now. Blood burst, being our bazooka spell, is just ok. I haven't been wowed.
Comparing universal solvent to blood burst though, blood burst wins damage wise, even though I don't think it's hitting nearly as hard as it does in prime. As it is, I don't see myself using usol outside of maybe training tm depending on how well that goes. Maybe if I have a mob of low level chars chasing me and I have consent on all of them. But it has yet to hit anyone at level that I can hit with blb, and the damage I've seen when it does hit isn't that amazing.
So idk if multi shot spell damage on the whole need adjusting, or if it's on a spell-by-spell basis.
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From the very limited testing I did with targeted spells both being cast at and casting, I came to two conclusions.
1) Multishot spells were more accurate than single target spells, targets able to easily block single target spells where not able to block multi-target spells.
2) Repeated strikes within a short period of time(regardless if its a spell or weapon) cause significant vitality damage in most cases resulting in a vitality death far before the wounds were anywhere near severe.
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Ah nevermind about usol then. I guess blb would be our multi shot spell, but like I said, I'm not blown away by the damage compared to prime, so idk if it's every spell. It does definitely seem more accurate than our other tm spells though.
Markat says, "Pleasant people without moral faults, going to church every week and abstaining from sins such as vanity and zombies. Feh...."
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Yeah, Shadowchief already said it, but TKT works basically like LT blades or fire shard. I break a moonblade (or toss ammo on the ground) and cast for 3-5 hits on one target. The damage of each hit is less than a full single spell (unless TKT is capped, then it seems close), but given 5 hits, it's amazingly better no matter the mana. I should note that the amount of ammo you can "shoot" with TKT is (or was, I can't tell now) dependent on skill/mana input, so like blades, you can't just roll up a newb and shoot 5 slivers.
I love my TKT in current form, no doubt, but in the end, I'd rather have a balanced exchange between the two options.
I love my TKT in current form, no doubt, but in the end, I'd rather have a balanced exchange between the two options.
>Its not really a multi shot spell, from my understanding. Its classified as single target damage, with an additional damage shot tacked on.
Yeah that was my understanding too. I guess we don't have one, which is why I was wondering where my OP spell was.
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Yeah that was my understanding too. I guess we don't have one, which is why I was wondering where my OP spell was.
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Blood Burst and Universal Solvent are pretty sweet. You might have an unreasonable expectation of what your magic should be doing.
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>>Is there an Arcana requirement to successfully cast rituals?
Yes, it's derived from the base difficulty of the spell.
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Yes, it's derived from the base difficulty of the spell.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>>Is there an Arcana requirement to successfully cast rituals?
>Yes, it's derived from the base difficulty of the spell.
Just to confirm, what you're saying is that the difficulty of the Arcana check to use a foci in a ritual is dependent on the difficulty of the ritual spell itself, right?
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>Yes, it's derived from the base difficulty of the spell.
Just to confirm, what you're saying is that the difficulty of the Arcana check to use a foci in a ritual is dependent on the difficulty of the ritual spell itself, right?
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>>Just to confirm, what you're saying is that the difficulty of the Arcana check to use a foci in a ritual is dependent on the difficulty of the ritual spell itself, right?
The base difficulty; casting higher doesn't make it harder.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
The base difficulty; casting higher doesn't make it harder.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>>The base difficulty; casting higher doesn't make it harder.
So, once you meet the threshold for actually invoking the foci for the spell, it doesn't matter if you min cast it or cap it out, you'll always be able to invoke the foci at that threshold rank of arcana.
So for example: (Totally made up numbers)
100 ranks of arcana for an advanced ritual
220 ranks arcana for an esoteric ritual
Both regardless of whether it's a realm specific or multi-realm foci. (Though you need the improvised ritual feat for the latter)
So, once you meet the threshold for actually invoking the foci for the spell, it doesn't matter if you min cast it or cap it out, you'll always be able to invoke the foci at that threshold rank of arcana.
So for example: (Totally made up numbers)
100 ranks of arcana for an advanced ritual
220 ranks arcana for an esoteric ritual
Both regardless of whether it's a realm specific or multi-realm foci. (Though you need the improvised ritual feat for the latter)
