IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 11/30/2012 06:30 PM CST
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IOTS only works on Morleena, everything else says it's below the horizon or something like that. Intended?

What's the status of Scry and Shadow Web? To be done down the road? Gone?
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 11/30/2012 06:35 PM CST
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IOTS works. The planets just need to rise. The planets have orbits like the stars and there are several that are only visible at night so IOTS will only work on those at night. I try to OBSERVE the planet I want to cast on... if it says you cant pick it out with the naked eye youre good to go. Anything else and its a no go.

We were told both Scry and Shadow Web were still in the works. Shadow Web wont make release supposedly and by Armifer is low on his list. Scry was mentioned to possibly not make release.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 11/30/2012 06:48 PM CST
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Nice, thanks a lot, great to hear those spells are alive. That's weird on IOTS, and kind of a bummer. I thought it would be more accessible. I must have had really bad timing on the planet orbits last night. I'll keep trying.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 11/30/2012 07:22 PM CST
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The movement of the planets is... really really really weird.

It's something I want to dig into one day, but I'm afraid I might not survive the experience.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 11/30/2012 08:45 PM CST
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>>Nice, thanks a lot, great to hear those spells are alive. That's weird on IOTS, and kind of a bummer. I thought it would be more accessible. I must have had really bad timing on the planet orbits last night. I'll keep trying.

Just testing it at a fairly bad time. A little bit ago verena was up night and day. Now its missing for the most part and you have to rely on Morleena mostly. Some planets are up in the day some, some at night, some at specific hours(covering both night and day). You just gotta take it for what it is. Sadly its lost its ability to actually use what you want long as you had the materials for it. Brightside it lasts a really long time. So give and take?
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/02/2012 11:20 AM CST
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is the string "too faint to see" the only string that correctly indicates that a planet is in the sky and available for IOTS use?
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/02/2012 02:28 PM CST
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Yes that should be it. The daylight foils your attempt is that its the wrong time of day.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/02/2012 04:13 PM CST
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>>Yes that should be it. The daylight foils your attempt is that its the wrong time of day.

To kinda explain this abit more, this message will display if its impossible for the planet to be out during the day, and during daylight hours. If it can it will give you the standard its not out message instead. Certain planets can only be seen in the day, certain ones only at night, certain ones are only out during times that cross both day and night.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/02/2012 10:36 PM CST
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IOTS is still off to me. After repeated attempts over numerous hours on numerous days, I haven't caught a single planet up other than Morleena. I have enough experience with moons to know that's possibly just a streak of the stars, but I'd request that there be some serious consideration about adding a "shard-like" ability to the spell so that it's more usable. I really, really thought the point of using planets was to make this a more consistently available spell. I'd honestly rather have it changed back to moons/shards at this point.

As for it's performance, I don't see any noticeable boost at all. I tested with Leilond some -- repeated capped casts of full target burn -- and a capped 600 mana disc/intel Morleena IOTS actually seemed to make my TM noticeably worse.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 12:16 AM CST
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So Ill be honest I was actually getting ready to post "It cant be that bad" but before I did I thought Id jump on just to verify...

>observ amlo
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Amlothi turns up fruitless.
>observ dawg
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Dawgolesh turns up fruitless.
>observ er'
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Er'qutra turns up fruitless.
>observ est
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Estrilda is foiled by the daylight.
>observ ism
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Ismenia turns up fruitless.
>observ mere
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Merewalda turns up fruitless.
>observ mor
You scan the skies for a few moments.
The planet Morleena is too faint for you to pick out with your naked eye.
>observ penh
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Penhetia turns up fruitless.
>observ szel
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Szeldia is foiled by the daylight.
>observ durg
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Durgaulda is foiled by the daylight.
>observ vere
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Verena turns up fruitless.
>observ yoak
You scan the skies for a few moments.
Your search for the planet Yoakena turns up fruitless.

I gotta admit... thats pretty worthless. What good is 12 planets if only one is usable at a time? And only 3 of those are even gonna show up at night. Thats 2/3 of them just not there. Dont get me wrong I like the theory behind the spells new incarnation but this does make it a bit pointless even for us.

As far as performance wise keep in mind Wisdom is the main stat for our TM spells. You should try MB and the like instead since Morleena is Disc and Int. Those will buff mind contest spells better.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 01:22 AM CST
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Nice, thanks. I thought there was an intel/wis split on TM, so I thought there should have been some difference (and definitely not a negative!) on the testing even if it was on old disc calcs.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 01:32 AM CST
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>>You should try MB and the like instead since Morleena is Disc and Int. Those will buff mind contest spells better.

What he said, your not going to get much of anything out of Morleena in the form of an increase to your TM.
Though, unless things changed Disc is the main stat, its just always played a minor roll.

>>I gotta admit... thats pretty worthless. What good is 12 planets if only one is usable at a time? And only 3 of those are even gonna show up at night. Thats 2/3 of them just not there. Dont get me wrong I like the theory behind the spells new incarnation but this does make it a bit pointless even for us.

Bad timing with the planets, first three days of test there were three planets and Morleena kicked in towards the later of the third making it four up on and around. Estrilla came out at somepoint but I never saw it personally so I can't vouche for it. I use the planets alot in predicting they actually aren't bad a lot of them are up a good deal of the time, some have large day-night cycles more than 3 show up at night. Only three are strictly nighttime planets.

Its just a very bad season for planets at the moment.

Durgaulda should be out, if you catch it at the right time. I might be mixing it up with another planet though. Theres one thats very elusive but is year round.


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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 07:49 AM CST
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I've been casting IOTS with planets foiled by sunlight. Did this change?

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 08:16 AM CST
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>I've been casting IOTS with planets foiled by sunlight. Did this change?

Its highly possible that this may have changed but when I tried the other day I was unable to cast on them if they werent readily viewable. Ill admit I didnt check last night since I didnt have my focus and I was just checking planets.

>Its just a very bad season for planets at the moment.

And dont get me wrong its not that as a Moon Mage Im not used to that sort of thing by now... I just think that its tying our hands a little excessively. You would think that with 12 planets not every one of them would be on a rotation that I almost wouldnt be surprised was similar to the moons and fluctuated. The moons have dead times too but at this rate there are going to be long periods of time where IOTS just wont be helpful or usable depending on what planets are in season. And that worries me a bit. Especially since we lost the shard system of saving the spell for when we needed it. If they changed the daylight thing Im ok with that and that alleviates some of my tension.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 01:50 PM CST
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I had a hunch and was wondering what other people thought. When I perceive planet, I get the following.
The sun is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Verena is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Estrilda is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Durgaulda is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Yoakena is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Penhetia is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Szeldia is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Merewalda is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Ismenia is deep within perceivable range.
The planet Morleena is well within perceivable range.
The planet Amlothi is barely within perceivable range.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

I was wondering if "is well within perceivable range" also meant that we could observe it with a telescope. And if so, is this the only string that implies this? If so, perceive planet may be a great way to find out which planets are usable for IOTS.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 01:54 PM CST
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>>I was wondering if "is well within perceivable range" also meant that we could observe it with a telescope

Nope. Your PERC PLANET is a radar-like sense that spreads out in an ever-growing sphere centered on Elanthia. Deep/well/barely describe how deep into the sphere the planet is.

Whether the planet is up or not for observation purposes depends on line of sight, which is more like... well, voodoo really.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 02:47 PM CST
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I dont know how difficult this request is. Is it possible for one of the coding gurus to temporarily make all planets available so that we can play with them and see how they affect IOTS?
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 03:12 PM CST
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Bet they'd have an easier time turning this into a graphical game than messing with the solar system IG!
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 03:42 PM CST
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>Whether the planet is up or not for observation purposes depends on line of sight, which is more like... well, voodoo really.

So why the descriptor of voodoo?

Further does this mean Moon Mages need more Keishalae like abilities?
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/03/2012 03:43 PM CST
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Heh Id imagine youre right from all the hearsay that has revolved around the heavens. I would love to see some sort of modification in the realm of being able to use a planet regardless of day or night and having it only unusable if it is not around at all. I understand not being able to view it but at the same time it is still right there so its energy should still be felt. It seems like a fantastic spell that Id hate to see wasted on having long periods of time there is no way to use it how you need.

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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/05/2012 02:43 PM CST
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Is it possible to make it so that others dont see us when we are observing the planets OR let us see all the planets by one observation, say observe planets. The reason is we will be searching for the planets more often now and that means we have to observe the sky 13 times if we want to find out all of our options for IOTS. That just creates a lot of unnecessary scroll for other people in the room with us.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/14/2012 09:08 AM CST
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>>IOTS is still off to me. After repeated attempts over numerous hours on numerous days, I haven't caught a single planet up other than Morleena.

Sorry I'm late to the party on this one. Computer and RL stuff has prevented me from staying up to date with 3.0 folders.

Check out elanthipedia for more information on which planets are up during the day/night: http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Star_chart

I filled those in myself so I know they're right ;). Just be wary of Durgaulda; someone else entered the 30/90 days part and I don't think that's right.

>>And only 3 of those are even gonna show up at night.

This is not correct. Read the star chart.

As for when during the year the planets are up, I've been tracking them for a while, and they are wonky as hell. There have definitely been periods where ZERO planets were up for over two RL weeks. Also times when a planet is up literally for 3 IG days and then sets again. Stuff like that. When I get around to it, I'll compile my data and make something of a chart. I suppose we'll also find out if the times are consistent year to year at that point, though I suspect they aren't.

>>Observing all the planets at once.

This would be great. What I do currently is run a planet-observing script when I log in, which saves each planet's state (up or down) to a variable. That way if I want to know later if Durgaulda is up I just check my "Durgaulda" variable.


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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/14/2012 09:42 AM CST
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Please to buy "shard-like" IOE enchantment for IOTS post-haste.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/14/2012 07:00 PM CST
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>>I filled those in myself so I know they're right ;). Just be wary of Durgaulda; someone else entered the 30/90 days part and I don't think that's right.

It seems to be slightly off or missing some dates, according to that Verena and Morleena can't possibly be up at the same time and I know for a fact they were. Although it was only for a day. That being said, thanks thats a freaking awesome job you did tracking all of that.
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Re: IOTS and Scry and Shadow Web on 12/15/2012 06:47 AM CST
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>>It seems to be slightly off or missing some dates, according to that Verena and Morleena can't possibly be up at the same time and I know for a fact they were. Although it was only for a day.

Oh sorry, ignore the dates. Those were just tentative based on the first year of observing. Now that I have more data... they definitely don't repeat, so I'll be erasing them. I only meant to look at the chart for which planets are up during the day vs. night (vs. both).

>>That being said, thanks thats a freaking awesome job you did tracking all of that.

You're welcome. :)


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