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Is now live in Test and Plat.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
Ok... first thing. Can I ask again (since I cant remember if it was responded to) for a way to check to see that a TS spell is still active? Like a self perceive...or something in a TS prep that says so... doesnt matter to me what but I have issues with not knowing when I can cast again. Especially on the debuff spells. Secondly is there any way to look at the length on TV? Its got a 15 mana min prep. At 30 I get a single pulse... double the min mana. On 50ish mana I suddenly get three to four. I would love for the 30ish range to be the 3-4 and the 50+ to get more but at worst case even having 30 mana be 2-3 pulses would be nice.
Alright so for my initial tests. The learning gain of astro when using TS spells is... well its practically non existant. With 300 Sorcery (I set it to a low level to emulate realistic training) and 331 Astro fighting snowbeasts, after several casts of TV (since its faster to wear off to rapid fire it) I was at mindstate 13/34 in Sorcery and only 1/34 in Astro. With that it wouldnt help at all in to use TS spells as a training method for astro if we murk up our connection to fate.
You look inside yourself in an attempt to see beyond the now.
After a few moments, the mists of time begin to part.
A fragment of the prophecy eludes your Sorcerous connection.
You see snow falling upon a high, stony mountain.
You see a hooded figure being led to a gallows.
A man stands in darkness in a defensive posture.
A shiver runs through your spine.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
Does the fragment get more obvious as you get more corrupted? I only cast about 12-15 TS spells so I couldnt say for sure how messed up I made my connection to fate. I didnt really notice a huge difference in astro learning the normal way. Three rapid one observe predictions and a subsequent analyze and I was at 8/34 mind state. It would be nice to have a way to check our corruption levels.. like a PREDICT CONNECTION or something similar that would say how strong and unmuddled your connection is.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
Alright so for my initial tests. The learning gain of astro when using TS spells is... well its practically non existant. With 300 Sorcery (I set it to a low level to emulate realistic training) and 331 Astro fighting snowbeasts, after several casts of TV (since its faster to wear off to rapid fire it) I was at mindstate 13/34 in Sorcery and only 1/34 in Astro. With that it wouldnt help at all in to use TS spells as a training method for astro if we murk up our connection to fate.
You look inside yourself in an attempt to see beyond the now.
After a few moments, the mists of time begin to part.
A fragment of the prophecy eludes your Sorcerous connection.
You see snow falling upon a high, stony mountain.
You see a hooded figure being led to a gallows.
A man stands in darkness in a defensive posture.
A shiver runs through your spine.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
Does the fragment get more obvious as you get more corrupted? I only cast about 12-15 TS spells so I couldnt say for sure how messed up I made my connection to fate. I didnt really notice a huge difference in astro learning the normal way. Three rapid one observe predictions and a subsequent analyze and I was at 8/34 mind state. It would be nice to have a way to check our corruption levels.. like a PREDICT CONNECTION or something similar that would say how strong and unmuddled your connection is.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
>>Can I ask again (since I cant remember if it was responded to) for a way to check to see that a TS spell is still active?
>per tele
You reach out with your senses and see glowing streams of cold, white Lunar mana available to serve as the foundation for Teleological Sorcery.
Traces of prior sorcery still cling to your essence though even these should fade within 5 seconds.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>>TV Pulses
The number of pulses depends on your level of success as determined by core magic.
>>I was at mindstate 13/34 in Sorcery and only 1/34 in Astro
Thanks for the feedback, I'm going to be a little sluggish on tweaking up the astro exp, but that does sound lower than it should be. If anyone else wants to contribute actual "game play" measurements at different skill levels it will help a lot in fine tuning the values.
>>Does the fragment get more obvious as you get more corrupted?
Yes.
>>like a PREDICT CONNECTION or something similar that would say how strong and unmuddled your connection is.
I am not currently a fan of this idea. Worse comes to worse performing a prediction will indicate it to you.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
>per tele
You reach out with your senses and see glowing streams of cold, white Lunar mana available to serve as the foundation for Teleological Sorcery.
Traces of prior sorcery still cling to your essence though even these should fade within 5 seconds.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>>TV Pulses
The number of pulses depends on your level of success as determined by core magic.
>>I was at mindstate 13/34 in Sorcery and only 1/34 in Astro
Thanks for the feedback, I'm going to be a little sluggish on tweaking up the astro exp, but that does sound lower than it should be. If anyone else wants to contribute actual "game play" measurements at different skill levels it will help a lot in fine tuning the values.
>>Does the fragment get more obvious as you get more corrupted?
Yes.
>>like a PREDICT CONNECTION or something similar that would say how strong and unmuddled your connection is.
I am not currently a fan of this idea. Worse comes to worse performing a prediction will indicate it to you.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
>>Traces of prior sorcery still cling to your essence though even these should fade within 5 seconds.
Never even thought to do a TS book perceive. Very cool.
>>The number of pulses depends on your level of success as determined by core magic.
Bleh ok. I guess I just figured with 500s in magic I would be a bit higher... but I guess thats also since I moved my Sorcery to 300.
Ill test it a bit more here in a bit. If theres any way that you could put something in that would jump up our corruption other than spam casting TV that would be super awesome and let us get the numbers a bit better. As far as being able to check I understand since necros cant check theirs either it was more that I figured it would be something more easily monitored since we have such a strong connection to the web than the necros do to the gods desires or ire. But alas certainly not a game breaker of an issue. Now since no one was around for me to test with... can other MMs see the corruption when they try to predict on you? And if you're hit with a TS spell does it have any lingering effect or only on casting?
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
Never even thought to do a TS book perceive. Very cool.
>>The number of pulses depends on your level of success as determined by core magic.
Bleh ok. I guess I just figured with 500s in magic I would be a bit higher... but I guess thats also since I moved my Sorcery to 300.
Ill test it a bit more here in a bit. If theres any way that you could put something in that would jump up our corruption other than spam casting TV that would be super awesome and let us get the numbers a bit better. As far as being able to check I understand since necros cant check theirs either it was more that I figured it would be something more easily monitored since we have such a strong connection to the web than the necros do to the gods desires or ire. But alas certainly not a game breaker of an issue. Now since no one was around for me to test with... can other MMs see the corruption when they try to predict on you? And if you're hit with a TS spell does it have any lingering effect or only on casting?
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
>>If theres any way that you could put something in that would jump up our corruption other than spam casting TV that would be super awesome and let us get the numbers a bit better.
If you catch me IG I'll be happy to crush you with corruption.
>>Now since no one was around for me to test with... can other MMs see the corruption when they try to predict on you?
No, it only applies to predictions you do.
>>And if you're hit with a TS spell does it have any lingering effect or only on casting?
Only when you cast.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
If you catch me IG I'll be happy to crush you with corruption.
>>Now since no one was around for me to test with... can other MMs see the corruption when they try to predict on you?
No, it only applies to predictions you do.
>>And if you're hit with a TS spell does it have any lingering effect or only on casting?
Only when you cast.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
>>If you catch me IG I'll be happy to crush you with corruption.
Im in test now. BTW on the TV pulses I figured out that my info was wrong. I apparently missed hearing that TV went from a 15 min prep to a 30 min prep... hence why I was only getting a pulse.
>>No, it only applies to predictions you do.
Wouldnt break my heart if you said no to this but it might be interesting to have something come up about fate being muddled for a person with TS corruption when they are predicted on. You would think another MM would see something "odd" about the person when they looked at their web of fate.
>>Only when you cast.
Good this is what I figured but I wanted to confirm.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
Im in test now. BTW on the TV pulses I figured out that my info was wrong. I apparently missed hearing that TV went from a 15 min prep to a 30 min prep... hence why I was only getting a pulse.
>>No, it only applies to predictions you do.
Wouldnt break my heart if you said no to this but it might be interesting to have something come up about fate being muddled for a person with TS corruption when they are predicted on. You would think another MM would see something "odd" about the person when they looked at their web of fate.
>>Only when you cast.
Good this is what I figured but I wanted to confirm.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
Ok Raesh came in and bombarded me a bit with corruption before I got booted so Ill post it here for others to see and use as a testing template. First off as was told to me small predictions (one observation then predict) really arent impacted much at all. Large full pool predictions... at full corruption dont even bother.
Minor corruption I noticed very little change.
50% corruption I was already pretty heavily impacted. With a mid filled pool I was getting flickering predictions with the pops out of existence messaging.
100% corruption... a full pool looked like nothing more than a one observe then predict. If you burn TS spells enough to get to this point dont even bother attempting to use predicting abilities for any real gain.
Overall I like the system. You need to choose if you want to predict or if you want to use Teleologic Sorcery. At the mid to high range in corruption you may as well just consider your link to the PoP severed. The only caveat that I had that has already been noted is that it could probably teach a bit better to make up for not being able to use predictions. Although I was still able to ML astro pretty easy even when fully corrupted by just predicting and observing. So maybe as corruption increases the astro xp from casting goes up but the astro xp from predicting goes down? Hopefully the spells will teach enough to be viable as an option. Other than that I think its a very interesting system that really forces you to make a choice on what you want to do. Now not only do you need to worry about getting arrested and blowing off your arms (I did several times during testing) but now it also impacts one of the core functions of the guild in a way that can almost negate it entirely. Pretty hefty choices.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
Minor corruption I noticed very little change.
50% corruption I was already pretty heavily impacted. With a mid filled pool I was getting flickering predictions with the pops out of existence messaging.
100% corruption... a full pool looked like nothing more than a one observe then predict. If you burn TS spells enough to get to this point dont even bother attempting to use predicting abilities for any real gain.
Overall I like the system. You need to choose if you want to predict or if you want to use Teleologic Sorcery. At the mid to high range in corruption you may as well just consider your link to the PoP severed. The only caveat that I had that has already been noted is that it could probably teach a bit better to make up for not being able to use predictions. Although I was still able to ML astro pretty easy even when fully corrupted by just predicting and observing. So maybe as corruption increases the astro xp from casting goes up but the astro xp from predicting goes down? Hopefully the spells will teach enough to be viable as an option. Other than that I think its a very interesting system that really forces you to make a choice on what you want to do. Now not only do you need to worry about getting arrested and blowing off your arms (I did several times during testing) but now it also impacts one of the core functions of the guild in a way that can almost negate it entirely. Pretty hefty choices.
~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani
"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."
<<Am I correct in thinking that we can train sorcery by using other mana types and not be corrupted? But if we use teleological spells, then we become corrupted?>>
Still seems sort of backwards that my empath with 7 ranks of sorcery can cast air bubble she learned from a scroll, and my moon mage with over 70 ranks of sorcery can't cast a spell thats supposed to be at least moon mage power-driven. :-(.
<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>
Still seems sort of backwards that my empath with 7 ranks of sorcery can cast air bubble she learned from a scroll, and my moon mage with over 70 ranks of sorcery can't cast a spell thats supposed to be at least moon mage power-driven. :-(.
<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>
Because Air Bubble makes a Bubble. Of Air. It's little more than a glorified cantrip.
Teleologic Spells on the other hand are very sophisticated spells.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
Teleologic Spells on the other hand are very sophisticated spells.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
