I had a little, that I recently deleted, and his name showed up on the "test instance" so I selected him. He wasn't there, but it allowed me to choose a name and start a new character.


I took the character (Elothean) and trained up stamina to 10.

I then went and joined the War Mage guild.

I then went straight to rats with starter gear. (no rats showed up)

I then went straight to Louts. Louts started spawning.


With just created skills he survived easily, put up Rising Mist, Etheral Shield, Used GZ to push TM up to 10/34 in a few casts (3 I think), used IP to move debilitation. Moved all his magic skills with those spells, and also Anther's Call.

Moved them pretty easily. Didn't see anything glaringly wonky, felt sure a newbie could walk out and learn easily.

No, but a war mage only needs three magics, Primary (elemental), Attune, and one of the others at first circle. I'd assume they'd pick TM, and then at second pic up a one slot spell, and continue down the list.


Same with other guilds.

I don't know if that's the case anymore in 3.0....

> Better off not getting TM first as you get energy bolt from AP.

Energy bolt's gone the way of the dodo. Free spells will be a thing of the past in 3.0 (except certain guild specific 0-slot spells that don't do anything meaningful).

>>>Primary won't count towards one of your magics. So this is a little tougher.

This I didn't know, I guess that makes arcana a must for sure..

>Also, does summoning count as a top magic for circling?

It definitely doesn't. I don't think it's technically a Magic skill, we just learn it at a primary rate.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>That's a few ranks of Aracana, or another type via classes.

I highly recommend Arcana from the start. I wish Guildleaders gave you a Cambrinth Ring for joining any magic using guild (once, obviously, so you can't join every magic using guild and get a tons of free rings).

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"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

Well TM isn't "required" it's just any three magics for the first 10 circles (the way I read it), although I may be reading the list wrong.

>Well TM isn't "required"

We have a soft req of TM. So it is required, but it can still count towards our Xth Magic requirements.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

I know that Moon Mages cannot use Astrology as a soft req (Nth Magic). Its already a specifically required one (ie Hard Req). I would imagine this is universal among guilds.

~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani

"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."

Part of me agrees part of me doesnt. I get that its not taking two different spots in my reqs.. it would be not only filling the hard req but also like my 3rd or 4th magic in my case. This way as a Magic Prime I am required to train all the magics (which does make sense). The only flippable skill in there is Sorcery so I guess if you dont mind backtraining it up (I will be) then it can take over for whatever other lowest magic you have (in my case prolly TM). But it does make it have less wiggle room so I do have some issues there.

~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani

"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."

>I then checked my guild (thief) and it is a soft req

Sorry for the double post, but I checked Thieves, and according to my notes Backstab is not required even as a soft req. I can't find the link to the 3.0 documents, though, so it might have changed since I made the spreadsheet months ago.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>how do you train it?

At low levels, familiars will train it (I'm not sure which verbs). Pathways are the primary way to train it.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>You'll need to build charge to even summon a familiar.

Huh, hadn't played with familiars any. ALIGN <ELEMENT> works, and then SUMMON ADMITTANCE trains as well. Someone said casting elements of the same element that you're aligned to will train, but I thought it just recharged your elemental charge pool.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

Cast to maintain your charge in addition to summon admit for whatever pathway.
I suggest aligning to whatever you main combat element is or aether when out if combat.
Prep ES, summon admit, cast, prep ES, summon admit, cast- then keep a pathway up the whole time.
That seemed to put me on track to lock it in a few minutes.

I'd try ease, power, or defend. Even aligned right the others seem to drain too fast.
Not sure if the pathway has to contest to teach or just be on.

I don't recommend constant summoning, or path perc path, both barely teach.

Or if we could lean on something to do summon admit. That'd be nice.


-Dart did you get it to lock finally?


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Ok, good to know

> so you'll have a TM spell to utilize, in addition to whatever other spell you pick.

I'll have to check our spell list when I get home, but pretty sure the only spells we have without requirements are TM. Even ES requires FS or Geyser or SSTR or ALA or GZ.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

all of spells except the intro TM spells require and intro element spell to learn elementalism to learn something above elementalism. ES has a prereq too. So... FS, Geyser, Air lash, GZ, and SS.

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summon admit moves it about 1/34 over 12 seconds.
summon imped moves it about the same.
aligning does the same over 30 seconds.
align opposite does the same over 30 seconds.
summon familiar moved it 1/34 and using a talisman or keeping it out didn't seem to do anything.
Path perc Path from a full alignment x40 taught about 1/34.

Cyclin pathways on and off(cycling through them all) while running summon admit, seemed to move it okay, but I learned more just by leaving it on.

I think it learns just be being on and pulsing, casting TM spells repeatedly didn't seem to help any.

I'm not sure if certain pathways teach better depending on what you're aligned to- I left accuracy up while aligned to aether, figuring the difference would be harder? I think maybe I learned a bit faster.
They also didn't seem to drain with use, and I guess depend on what element you're aligned to.

In combat I kept path damage up for about 20 minutes while casting FS and FB(fire aligned) and never got summoning past 2/34. I also tried a few other pathways but they seeemd to be stagnant too.

Anywho just run a pathway while summon admit, and either prep spells to keep the charge up and learn magic or toss in a path perc path once in awhile to mix it up.

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>ask kara about elementalism spell
>Karazhil says, "The Elementalism metaspell allows a Warrior Mage to apply their learned approach of Targeted Magic to employing the elements they are not as familiar with. With this knowledge, you will not need to learn another introductory targeted spell in order to manipulate more advanced Elemental patterns. Before you can learn this spell, you must know Ethereal Shield, and be circle 8. It cannot be targeted."

Circle 8? That seems useless. Can it please be changed to GZ or FS or SSTR or ALA or Geyser? No circle requirement. ES can then require it.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

As far as I can tell, you must take ES or another intro TM spell at 2nd. I can't finned a good list with prereqs at the moment, though.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer