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I know this has been discussed before but I couldn't find the discussion, which I know ended in, "no one owns rooms".
I have a specific scenario I wanted to see what others had thoughts on however.
The mine is very slow and there is only 2 people mining, me and another fella. I'm mining out a room and this other fella steps in sees me mining and leaves. I empty out the room and leave and start on the next room. Guy passes me to the room I just cleared and camps there. I confronted the individual that it was disrespectful to jump into a room someone else just cleared, when there are plenty of other rooms to mine. He responded with what I figured he would, "No one owns rooms" thing. I left him with my thoughts and moved on.
I would like to hear other's thoughts on that, basically if there is an empty mine with 20 rooms, is it bad etiquette to jump in the other persons cleared room deliberately?
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
His actions seem completely disrespectful. This reminds me of a common courtesy scenario at the gym. You get done a set of bench presses and get your weight ready for your next set. You see a dude watching you and he clearly knows you are working out on that machine. You walk away for 30 seconds to get a drink of water (and he sees that too) and when you get back, you see that the dude has changed the weights and is doing sets on the bench you were using. After nicely mentioning to him that you were in the middle of a workout there, he tells you that you don't own the bench and he will not budge. In the real world, you suffer severe penalties if you physically confront him, but in Elanthia, I would hope that you could retaliate, even if he is closed.
<<I would like to hear other's thoughts on that, basically if there is an empty mine with 20 rooms, is it bad etiquette to jump in the other persons cleared room deliberately?
Sounds like he was being deliberately confrontational, which really ought to be consent in the same way talking crap is.
Sounds like he was being deliberately confrontational, which really ought to be consent in the same way talking crap is.
I really think that rooms should be recoded to respawn for the person that cleared the room twice as fast than for people that did not.
>prospect memory
Using your memory of when you recently mined this area you beginning looking in your favorite spot. You've found a new vein!
This would basically force a respawn, where as the other fella, would have to wait another 30 minutes.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
>prospect memory
Using your memory of when you recently mined this area you beginning looking in your favorite spot. You've found a new vein!
This would basically force a respawn, where as the other fella, would have to wait another 30 minutes.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
Perhaps I'm ignorant of the mining code, but why would you even care? Does continuing to mine in one area grant bonuses to finding stuff? If so, why would you leave?
If I kill all the critters in one hunting room and move onto the next, I don't give three squirrels if another guy starts camping in the empty room I just left.
*******
Malkien
If I kill all the critters in one hunting room and move onto the next, I don't give three squirrels if another guy starts camping in the empty room I just left.
*******
Malkien
>>Perhaps I'm ignorant of the mining code, but why would you even care? Does continuing to mine in one area grant bonuses to finding stuff? If so, why would you leave?
>>If I kill all the critters in one hunting room and move onto the next, I don't give three squirrels if another guy starts camping in the empty room I just left.
The way mining works is that you mine out a room, once depleted, it respawns new materials. That's when you have a chance of a rare find, during the respawn. That's why in the above example the person camps the room because all the work (mining) is already done for them, so it's a short cut. So the question was is it good etiquette to move into a room that someone else cleared, deliberately, given that there are plently of other rooms open. The key word is deliberately. In my instance the person basically planned on camping my room by seeing me mine, then coming back to see if i left the room so they could stand there.
Anyways thanks for all the responses, I got my answer even though it seems divided.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
>>If I kill all the critters in one hunting room and move onto the next, I don't give three squirrels if another guy starts camping in the empty room I just left.
The way mining works is that you mine out a room, once depleted, it respawns new materials. That's when you have a chance of a rare find, during the respawn. That's why in the above example the person camps the room because all the work (mining) is already done for them, so it's a short cut. So the question was is it good etiquette to move into a room that someone else cleared, deliberately, given that there are plently of other rooms open. The key word is deliberately. In my instance the person basically planned on camping my room by seeing me mine, then coming back to see if i left the room so they could stand there.
Anyways thanks for all the responses, I got my answer even though it seems divided.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
<<His actions seem completely disrespectful. This reminds me of a common courtesy scenario at the gym. You get done a set of bench presses and get your weight ready for your next set. You see a dude watching you and he clearly knows you are working out on that machine. You walk away for 30 seconds to get a drink of water (and he sees that too) and when you get back, you see that the dude has changed the weights and is doing sets on the bench you were using.>>
except instead of getting water he's using the machine next to the empty one and you just told the guy he can't use the empty bench or the machine he's using. or the one empty next to that because he's called dibs.
except instead of getting water he's using the machine next to the empty one and you just told the guy he can't use the empty bench or the machine he's using. or the one empty next to that because he's called dibs.
<<The way mining works is that you mine out a room, once depleted, it respawns new materials. That's when you have a chance of a rare find, during the respawn.>>
so when you see "scattering of resources" in a room you should stay? I've always moved away after i get that messaging.
Live and learn!
heh.
Explore the Final Frontier - the unknown calls
so when you see "scattering of resources" in a room you should stay? I've always moved away after i get that messaging.
Live and learn!
heh.
Explore the Final Frontier - the unknown calls
The way it works, AFAIK...
Mines are on a 20-23 minute timer.
If the room is mined out, it will respawn on that timer.
If a room has been vacant but not mined out, there is a chance it will respawn on that timer.
Rare metals that respawned in a room that was not mined out, will respawn on next timer, regardless of how far it has been mined.
Rare metals that respawned in a room that was mined out, will remain for at least one more respawn.
If you finish mining out a room 15 seconds after the mines respawn, you have a 20-23 minute wait till the timer hits again.
A person can mine out a room in 10-20 minutes working alone. Faster if working as a team.
So, do you mine out a room of crap, and sit there waiting for it to respawn, or mine out 2 rooms of crap, and wait for them to respawn?
I used to mine out as many as I could, on the off chance one of them would spawn a rare vein, but since there is no ettiquette for mining, cept if you aren't there, its not yours, then to heck with trying to help get rid of the crap ores, you all can mine them out yourselves. Now I'll sit and train lores.
Telrenth
Mines are on a 20-23 minute timer.
If the room is mined out, it will respawn on that timer.
If a room has been vacant but not mined out, there is a chance it will respawn on that timer.
Rare metals that respawned in a room that was not mined out, will respawn on next timer, regardless of how far it has been mined.
Rare metals that respawned in a room that was mined out, will remain for at least one more respawn.
If you finish mining out a room 15 seconds after the mines respawn, you have a 20-23 minute wait till the timer hits again.
A person can mine out a room in 10-20 minutes working alone. Faster if working as a team.
So, do you mine out a room of crap, and sit there waiting for it to respawn, or mine out 2 rooms of crap, and wait for them to respawn?
I used to mine out as many as I could, on the off chance one of them would spawn a rare vein, but since there is no ettiquette for mining, cept if you aren't there, its not yours, then to heck with trying to help get rid of the crap ores, you all can mine them out yourselves. Now I'll sit and train lores.
Telrenth
I am with the then don't leave the room crowd.
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Cylons... why debugging matters.
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. --John Wayne
Challenge them to a duel to the death.
~Leilond
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~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
>>I would like to hear other's thoughts on that, basically if there is an empty mine with 20 rooms, is it bad etiquette to jump in the other persons cleared room deliberately?<<
1. You left. Not your room anymore, anyone else can do what they want with the room you vacated.
2. You said it was just you and one other guy, and 20 rooms. If you left room #1, and entered room #2... then the other guy occupies room #1, that leaves rooms #3-#20 still available? See comment 1 above.
3. It doesn't matter what the mechanics of respawning rare finds may be. You left. He arrived. He's not being confrontational, he's being smart. Just like you, he realizes that there may be an increased chance of a rare find. See comment 1 above.
4. If you want the chance to have that respawned rare find, then don't leave, or camp an alt in that room. The first is the better option, the second is kind of cheesy, but.. whatever. If it's you, your alt, and one other guy, that still leaves 17 rooms. See comment 1 above.
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~GM Zeyurn
1. You left. Not your room anymore, anyone else can do what they want with the room you vacated.
2. You said it was just you and one other guy, and 20 rooms. If you left room #1, and entered room #2... then the other guy occupies room #1, that leaves rooms #3-#20 still available? See comment 1 above.
3. It doesn't matter what the mechanics of respawning rare finds may be. You left. He arrived. He's not being confrontational, he's being smart. Just like you, he realizes that there may be an increased chance of a rare find. See comment 1 above.
4. If you want the chance to have that respawned rare find, then don't leave, or camp an alt in that room. The first is the better option, the second is kind of cheesy, but.. whatever. If it's you, your alt, and one other guy, that still leaves 17 rooms. See comment 1 above.
________________________________________________________________________________
We've decided that instead of spells Paladins will be a new arm of the Bard guild utilizing interpretive dance moves.
~GM Zeyurn
Thanks for all the comments, the general feel is leaning way towards that their is no etiquette, just a hard rule that if no one is in a room than it's fair game. All other variables don't really matter. This is just player base rules correct?
I wanted to get what others thought because it was the first time it happened like that, so appreciate the feedback.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
I wanted to get what others thought because it was the first time it happened like that, so appreciate the feedback.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
<<Thanks for all the comments, the general feel is leaning way towards that their is no etiquette, just a hard rule that if no one is in a room than it's fair game. All other variables don't really matter. This is just player base rules correct?
When this mining etiquette discussion came up the first time there was also a GM post that explicitly said the room ownership rules that apply to combat also apply to mining. I.e. no one owns a room.
-Evran
Move Emalerje to the town of Dirge, eh!
When this mining etiquette discussion came up the first time there was also a GM post that explicitly said the room ownership rules that apply to combat also apply to mining. I.e. no one owns a room.
-Evran
Move Emalerje to the town of Dirge, eh!
>>player base rules
This was a chicken-poop move.
The same open 18 rooms that Codiax could have chose, that other guy could have mined as well.
This is almost as bad as hanging out in a hunting area and skinning or looting someone's kills.
Codiax did the work, he wasn't hogging an area, I don't think it's too much for those two guys to say, "these 3 rooms are mine, these 3 rooms are yours" (or in this case 10 and 10).
The topic is perfect, this person lacked any sort of etiquette. Next time flay his face.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
This was a chicken-poop move.
The same open 18 rooms that Codiax could have chose, that other guy could have mined as well.
This is almost as bad as hanging out in a hunting area and skinning or looting someone's kills.
Codiax did the work, he wasn't hogging an area, I don't think it's too much for those two guys to say, "these 3 rooms are mine, these 3 rooms are yours" (or in this case 10 and 10).
The topic is perfect, this person lacked any sort of etiquette. Next time flay his face.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
<<The same open 18 rooms that Codiax could have chose, that other guy could have mined as well.>>
First off, unless all 18 rooms are of the exact same geologic structure there is no room equality across all 20. In the same vein (hehe) you can't expect an empty room to stay that way. If he really wanted to know what spawned there he should have stayed instead of moving. If I saw that I'd assume the person was interested in the minerals that were currently in Room B not the possibilities of Room A.
<<This is almost as bad as hanging out in a hunting area and skinning or looting someone's kills.>>
It is nothing like it.
It is like leaving a ton of boxes on the ground and going to town to sell your gem pouch. Don't be surprised if someone wonders in and takes the boxes.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
First off, unless all 18 rooms are of the exact same geologic structure there is no room equality across all 20. In the same vein (hehe) you can't expect an empty room to stay that way. If he really wanted to know what spawned there he should have stayed instead of moving. If I saw that I'd assume the person was interested in the minerals that were currently in Room B not the possibilities of Room A.
<<This is almost as bad as hanging out in a hunting area and skinning or looting someone's kills.>>
It is nothing like it.
It is like leaving a ton of boxes on the ground and going to town to sell your gem pouch. Don't be surprised if someone wonders in and takes the boxes.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>>This is almost as bad as hanging out in a hunting area and skinning or looting someone's kills.
Sure, if you believe that once a person fully loots critter A in a room, they also have the right to leave the room and then return to kill and fully loot critter B while killing and looting critter C.
Sure, if you believe that once a person fully loots critter A in a room, they also have the right to leave the room and then return to kill and fully loot critter B while killing and looting critter C.
My view is that, if the other person sees you in that room and later camps it, it is disrespectful. But you can't really do anything about it. It's that kind of minor disrespect that's annoying but doesn't warrant an all-out fight, like someone giving you a backhanded compliment.
It's kind of unfortunate for the mining community, because it seems to discourage friendliness and camaraderie in the mines. When I go mining now I look for the most out of the way place I can manage so that I can freely wander around instead of camping a single room.
Unfortunately I don't really see a way to fix it. Even a reduced spawn time for the one who mined out a room probably wouldn't help, because the other guy would just camp the room anyway.
-- Player of Eyuve
It's kind of unfortunate for the mining community, because it seems to discourage friendliness and camaraderie in the mines. When I go mining now I look for the most out of the way place I can manage so that I can freely wander around instead of camping a single room.
Unfortunately I don't really see a way to fix it. Even a reduced spawn time for the one who mined out a room probably wouldn't help, because the other guy would just camp the room anyway.
-- Player of Eyuve
>>Why not just stay in the room you mined out. Do other things like study compendiums, cast magic, pick your nose, etc while waiting for the room to refresh.
Honestly? Because at the moment when I go mining I'm doing it purely for fun. I enjoy going in, searching around for the metals I want, prioritizing, and then jumping back and forth hoping for a rare vein. Stopping in the middle to train lores would take a little of the luster out of it, and would of course double the amount of time taken to find rares.
I certainly will sit and train lores if I get more serious about mining though. Please don't misread me, I don't think it's a big deal. Yes, it does affect me a little, but not that much.
You know, I just thought of a potential solution. What if the only time a room were able to spawn a rare vein were immediately after being mined out? That way, if you get to the end of a room, and it didn't spawn a rare, you could just move on, with no worry about whether someone else took it.
-- Player of Eyuve
Honestly? Because at the moment when I go mining I'm doing it purely for fun. I enjoy going in, searching around for the metals I want, prioritizing, and then jumping back and forth hoping for a rare vein. Stopping in the middle to train lores would take a little of the luster out of it, and would of course double the amount of time taken to find rares.
I certainly will sit and train lores if I get more serious about mining though. Please don't misread me, I don't think it's a big deal. Yes, it does affect me a little, but not that much.
You know, I just thought of a potential solution. What if the only time a room were able to spawn a rare vein were immediately after being mined out? That way, if you get to the end of a room, and it didn't spawn a rare, you could just move on, with no worry about whether someone else took it.
-- Player of Eyuve
I camped some dude's room after he finished mining it out and left today and found this when it respawned:
A deed for a haralun ingot reads:
"The bearer of this deed may tap it while inside of a crafting hall to have it traded for the material indicated. This service is provided within the confines of the Crafting Societies due to the great size and difficulty with moving these materials."
A detailed report of the item's properties are listed on the deed:
Crafted Item Properties
Quality: 91 (of exceptional quality)
Metallurgical Properties
Quality: 91 (somewhat pure)
Volume: 39
Hardness: 95 (absurdly hard)
Workability: 20 (difficulty to work with)
Durability: 60 (good durability)
ThermalResist: 75 (not very good at transfering heat and cold)
ElectricResist: 70 (not a very good conductor of electricity)
PhysicalResist: 80 (exceptionally good at repelling physical blows)
True story. Thanks for the advice everyone!
A deed for a haralun ingot reads:
"The bearer of this deed may tap it while inside of a crafting hall to have it traded for the material indicated. This service is provided within the confines of the Crafting Societies due to the great size and difficulty with moving these materials."
A detailed report of the item's properties are listed on the deed:
Crafted Item Properties
Quality: 91 (of exceptional quality)
Metallurgical Properties
Quality: 91 (somewhat pure)
Volume: 39
Hardness: 95 (absurdly hard)
Workability: 20 (difficulty to work with)
Durability: 60 (good durability)
ThermalResist: 75 (not very good at transfering heat and cold)
ElectricResist: 70 (not a very good conductor of electricity)
PhysicalResist: 80 (exceptionally good at repelling physical blows)
True story. Thanks for the advice everyone!
so when you see "scattering of resources" in a room you should stay? I've always moved away after i get that messaging.
When you see this:
>prospect
>
You see evidence of mineral deposits and are certain a scattering of resources remains to be found.
This area is composed of igneous rock layers.
Studying the geology, you are certain that continued mining will be quite safe.
You are certain that gabbro can be mined here.
You are certain that iron can be mined here.
You recognize some markings on the wall pointing to a safer mining angle as your own.
Miners stand ready to trade resources in for deeds. Just PUSH any mined up stone or metal, and they'll take care of the rest.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
Then there is still metal/stone to be mined. The room is NOT empty.
Now, when you see this:
>prospect
You see evidence of mineral deposits and are certain a scattering of resources remains to be found.
This area is composed of igneous rock layers.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
The room is empty. Time to move or do something else till the room repops.
The only reason I'm stressing this point is because of the confusion some people seem to be having. Lately it has not been unusual to walk through one of the mining areas and see 8 plus rooms with the first messaging. I'm hoping people are just not realizing that the room is really not empty yet, and not because they are trying to claim several rooms for themselves.
-Wildluck
When you see this:
>prospect
>
You see evidence of mineral deposits and are certain a scattering of resources remains to be found.
This area is composed of igneous rock layers.
Studying the geology, you are certain that continued mining will be quite safe.
You are certain that gabbro can be mined here.
You are certain that iron can be mined here.
You recognize some markings on the wall pointing to a safer mining angle as your own.
Miners stand ready to trade resources in for deeds. Just PUSH any mined up stone or metal, and they'll take care of the rest.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
Then there is still metal/stone to be mined. The room is NOT empty.
Now, when you see this:
>prospect
You see evidence of mineral deposits and are certain a scattering of resources remains to be found.
This area is composed of igneous rock layers.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
The room is empty. Time to move or do something else till the room repops.
The only reason I'm stressing this point is because of the confusion some people seem to be having. Lately it has not been unusual to walk through one of the mining areas and see 8 plus rooms with the first messaging. I'm hoping people are just not realizing that the room is really not empty yet, and not because they are trying to claim several rooms for themselves.
-Wildluck
What everyone is missing is that Codiax did the work "to earn" the respawn, the other fella didn't.
If there are plenty of rooms, people should be able to have a conversation and share.
The other fella is being a leech and I think it's poor form.
But maybe I'm the only one whose momma raised 'em right.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
If there are plenty of rooms, people should be able to have a conversation and share.
The other fella is being a leech and I think it's poor form.
But maybe I'm the only one whose momma raised 'em right.
Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry
>>What everyone is missing is that Codiax did the work "to earn" the respawn, the other fella didn't.
By this logic, killing a leucro is what encouraged the next leucro to show up, so he owns that leucro, too.
Just don't leave the damn room if you want to mine the room when it's ready again. I am amazed this conversation has lasted this long. You do not have the right to claim a room you're not in, and leaving that room to work on another room has you relinquish that right. It's that simple.
By this logic, killing a leucro is what encouraged the next leucro to show up, so he owns that leucro, too.
Just don't leave the damn room if you want to mine the room when it's ready again. I am amazed this conversation has lasted this long. You do not have the right to claim a room you're not in, and leaving that room to work on another room has you relinquish that right. It's that simple.
>look
[Inside the Mines, Treasure Room]
Various rocks form the arched walls of this cavern. Looking down either which way you see that the mines stretch out for a good long while. You also see a SHINY RED BUTTON.
Obvious paths: north, south.
>push button
A rumbling shudders throughout the area and you suddenly hear a loud voice reverberate throughout the entire mines, "Treasure will be assembled in your room in approximately 10 minutes. Thank you."
>shrug
You shrug.
>north
. . . 11 minutes later . . .
>south
[Inside the Mines, Treasure Room]
Various rocks form the arched walls of this cavern. Looking down either which way you see that the mines stretch out for a good long while. You also see a SHINY RED BUTTON and a pile of treasure.
Also here: Bob.
Obvious paths: north, south.
Bob stows a pile of treasure in his haversack.
>frown
You frown.
>'Hey I pushed the button, that's my treasure.
You say, "Hey I pushed the button, that's my treasure."
Bob raises an eyebrow in your direction.
Bob says, "Looks to me like you abandoned your treasure."
~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
[Inside the Mines, Treasure Room]
Various rocks form the arched walls of this cavern. Looking down either which way you see that the mines stretch out for a good long while. You also see a SHINY RED BUTTON.
Obvious paths: north, south.
>push button
A rumbling shudders throughout the area and you suddenly hear a loud voice reverberate throughout the entire mines, "Treasure will be assembled in your room in approximately 10 minutes. Thank you."
>shrug
You shrug.
>north
. . . 11 minutes later . . .
>south
[Inside the Mines, Treasure Room]
Various rocks form the arched walls of this cavern. Looking down either which way you see that the mines stretch out for a good long while. You also see a SHINY RED BUTTON and a pile of treasure.
Also here: Bob.
Obvious paths: north, south.
Bob stows a pile of treasure in his haversack.
>frown
You frown.
>'Hey I pushed the button, that's my treasure.
You say, "Hey I pushed the button, that's my treasure."
Bob raises an eyebrow in your direction.
Bob says, "Looks to me like you abandoned your treasure."
~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
>>Also here: Bob.
why did you just leave the red button.... it told you that treasure was coming in 10 minutes, yet you left...
very impatient you are, young grasshopper
anyways, the best solution to the original problem is so obviously "do not leave the room" that, even i, wouldn't continue this argument
coincidentally, even in the "shiny red button" example it appears that the proper solution to that argument is ALSO, "do not leave the room"
why did you just leave the red button.... it told you that treasure was coming in 10 minutes, yet you left...
very impatient you are, young grasshopper
anyways, the best solution to the original problem is so obviously "do not leave the room" that, even i, wouldn't continue this argument
coincidentally, even in the "shiny red button" example it appears that the proper solution to that argument is ALSO, "do not leave the room"
The example was a parody of both sides of the argument. I think the proper course of action is...
1) Assume that people will take stuff that is in a vacant room.
2) Assume that people will take your stuff if you leave it in a room unattended.
3) Reach out to the other miners in an area to establish ground rules for which miners have which rooms if you'd like to wander between rooms without other miners taking your stuff.
4) Understand that some people don't like the idea of other miners laying claim to multiple rooms and will actively try to thwart all attempts at doing so.
5) Understand that not everyone has the same opinion.
~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
1) Assume that people will take stuff that is in a vacant room.
2) Assume that people will take your stuff if you leave it in a room unattended.
3) Reach out to the other miners in an area to establish ground rules for which miners have which rooms if you'd like to wander between rooms without other miners taking your stuff.
4) Understand that some people don't like the idea of other miners laying claim to multiple rooms and will actively try to thwart all attempts at doing so.
5) Understand that not everyone has the same opinion.
~Leilond
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Leilond
http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
>>Leilond's button example.
I suppose to me the difference is that it takes 15-20 minutes of mining to push that button.
I totally get that it's easy to stay in the room. I'm just reporting that my personal instinct is that Codiax did the work to "push the button", so in fairness he should have first dibs at it.
In other words, the more work required to push such a button, the more I feel the one who worked at it deserves first dibs at the reward.
>>By this logic, killing a leucro is what encouraged the next leucro to show up, so he owns that leucro, too.
Yes, killing leucros opens the area to more spawn. But leucros are all identical, and easily had throughout a hunting area. The chance at rare treasure is not the same thing.
Again, I'm not disagreeing that if a miner wants 100% claim to a respawned room, he/she should stand there in it. I'm just saying, from a fairness perspective, it does seem a little rude of someone who saw miner Alice working in a room to later camp her respawn.
-- Player of Eyuve
I suppose to me the difference is that it takes 15-20 minutes of mining to push that button.
I totally get that it's easy to stay in the room. I'm just reporting that my personal instinct is that Codiax did the work to "push the button", so in fairness he should have first dibs at it.
In other words, the more work required to push such a button, the more I feel the one who worked at it deserves first dibs at the reward.
>>By this logic, killing a leucro is what encouraged the next leucro to show up, so he owns that leucro, too.
Yes, killing leucros opens the area to more spawn. But leucros are all identical, and easily had throughout a hunting area. The chance at rare treasure is not the same thing.
Again, I'm not disagreeing that if a miner wants 100% claim to a respawned room, he/she should stand there in it. I'm just saying, from a fairness perspective, it does seem a little rude of someone who saw miner Alice working in a room to later camp her respawn.
-- Player of Eyuve
>>I totally get that it's easy to stay in the room. I'm just reporting that my personal instinct is that Codiax did the work to "push the button", so in fairness he should have first dibs at it.
He lost the dibs on the room when he left it.
Mining is like playing a slot machine. You are playing the machine for a chance to win the jackpot.
You are playing slots in vegas and are sitting at a single machine (a room in the mine). After playing (mining) for a few hours you decide to switch machines (change rooms in the mine). Another person walks up to the machine (room) you just left and wins the jackpot. The casino (gms) will tell you its his because he played (mined) the machine (room).
Either way the probability of anyone winning from the machine (room) is the same.
Don't leave a room if you don't want to lose out on a possible chance of rare metal.
