I like numbers. So here you go! Numbers are averages for the rooms I mined from fresh to clear. 600ish foraging, 65 str, running WS and 44mana-BES most of the time.

Time	Swings	Nuggets	Minutes/Room	Seconds/Swing	Nuggets/Swing	Nuggets/Min	Rooms	Random Rares/Swing
708 s	76.6	11.0	11.8	9.2	0.144	11.8	103	9.25733E-05

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Not sure how you're calculating nugget per minute, but I think you've got an error there. 11 nugs total, 10 minutes, 11.8 nugs per minute? Maybe a decimal error?

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> You analyze every minute detail of the articulated tongs and smile knowingly to yourself.
> This appears to be a crafting tool and they are in pristine condition (98-100%).
> This tool is used to shovel fuel in a forge, and mine stone, ore and gems.

Um, looks like you merged two apps there (unless there's some swappable tong/shovel tool I didn't know of).

Yea I love those things.

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> The articulated tongs do.

Ah, I was wondering what the point of them was. Is their speed as a shovel still based off thermal resistance?

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>>Kamaela says, "Also, he's looking at altering the rate that rare materials pop up. There will be more rare >>material to be found on quests and such."

Not sure if Kodius said how he was going to alter the rate...it wasn't metioned.

But this would be my idea, and would like to hear other's thoughts as well.

This is my thoughts after a few weeks of mining off and on, with blocks of time spent anywhere from 1-4 hours at a time.

Mining is pretty fun and getting that rare drop or rare vein is pretty exciting, but there are times when you mine through a dozen or so rooms and get absolutely nothing "rare". I've spent on a few occasions a couple hours straight with nothing to pop. Then another day I hit 3 rare veins within an hour.

What I would like to suggest is that the "random" rare drops be increased. Meaning if you go and spend an hour mining, chances are highly in your favor that you will get a rare drop or two. You know the 1-5 volume range of a rare metal.

With that in mind. I would reduce the ammount of rare metal you get from finding a vein. Mind you I don't want to reduce the occurance of rare veins, but probably cut their output in half. Right now it sems to be 40s-50s volume for a rare vein. With 40 volume, you can make 4 fairly large weapons if mixed correctly, and many more light weapons.

I would rather a vein of rare metal average in the 20s of volume. It's rare. 20 volume won't get you a full suit of armor but you can make almost any smaller armor piece and any weapon with that much.

Obviously the foraging skill would have to be rebalanced with concern for rare veins, more skill = more volume in most cases but I would lower it across the board.

So the idea is, more frequent single rare drops (this would keep the desire high to keep mining), but drastically reduce the vein output so that it would result in a net loss (compared to now) to total rare metals coming into the system.

If anyone else has ideas, would love to hear them.


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>>With that in mind. I would reduce the ammount of rare metal you get from finding a vein. Mind you I don't want to reduce the occurance of rare veins, but probably cut their output in half. Right now it sems to be 40s-50s volume for a rare vein. With 40 volume, you can make 4 fairly large weapons if mixed correctly, and many more light weapons.

Have you seen what's required for armor?

I think the veins are about right right now, from what I've heard about their frequency. But the incidental drops should be increased.

I've been doing the same as you, mining for the past month, usually 2 hours at a go (or however long it takes to clear a dozen rooms and check the repops), every two or three days. I got one vein of platinum on my second day of mining, which I promptly wasted experimenting because I didn't realize how hard it'd be to replace, and since then, all I've found is 1 volume of animite. I'm probably just unlucky, but your mining experience sounds pretty lucky too, so I'm not sure it's a good idea to put too much weight on your own finds being normal.

I think rate or rare veins is probably good for most metals. I also think volume is good on those (remember more skill = more volume, and I'm all about rewarding folks who've ground out useless foraging ranks for years with something decent).

From my experience, it's the Random Rares were there's a problem. If it were up to me, I'd leave the base random rare rate where it is and use skill as a "bonus" to the rate. I know that it wouldn't be truly random anymore, but see above comments and skill checks in a skill-based game == good. Lastly, I'd never let a random rare be smaller than 3 volume. They're rare enough, at least have it be more than 1 slug.

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