Crossbow ammo-

Would like to see a greater variety here compared to arrows. Not in terms of raw damage stats, but in utility. It'd be neat if you could make one time use ammunition. Naphtha bolts, shrapnel bolts, entangling or lancing bolts (prevent engagement / retreat). More. Lots more!

Crossbows-

Guessing that draw weights will be similar to bows where you can make it variable? Also, are repeating crossbows a thing?

<fishing poles/ reels

I second this idea

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Therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. - John Donne

Me too but for items that come later.

Shock absorbers (snicker)
Pumps, which makes me envision a pump action naphtha or acid thrower
puppets/marionettes
microscopes
pulleys, springs, braided or twisted wire cables
wayerd pyramids?
braziers, stoves, and spring operated window shades for homes
hinges, clasps, buttons, assorted fasteners
secret compartment boxes/cabinets
music boxes
a slinky!
mouse/roach traps for homes
an elaborate marble track that sits on a table a la the mousetrap game
locking mechanisms from simple to elaborate with metal marble action
pinball machine, pachinko or slot machine

...um, that's it for now? More?

>><fishing poles/ reels

>>I second this idea

Third this.

>>puppets/marionettes

Would like this under toys. Agreed.

>>music boxes
>>a slinky!

Both cool ideas!

>>Clocks and watches
>>lighters

I like.

Lanterns.

Snorkels?

>>Mining helmets with Lanterns

Seems like I recall somthing like this, a few years back, being sold at one of the shops somewhere.

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Therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. - John Donne

There's also at least 2 helms which are quest rewards and have that function.

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Unfortunately so many of these items would require months of additional development time (let alone time spent proposing and getting them approved), I'm not sure how many of them will be possible.


For now the technique tree will resemble something such as...



Simple Gearworking
\__Advanced Gearworking


Crossbow Basics
\__Light Crossbow Crafting
\__Advanced Light Crossbows *
\__Exotic Crossbow Crafting *
\__Siege Engine Crafting *
\__Advanced Heavy Crossbows *
\__Exotic Crossbow Crafting *
\__Siege Engine Crafting *
\__Heavy Crossbow Crafting
\__Advanced Light Crossbows *
\__Exotic Crossbow Crafting *
\__Siege Engine Crafting *
\__Advanced Heavy Crossbows *
\__Exotic Crossbow Crafting *
\__Siege Engine Crafting *
\__Arbalest Crafting
\__Siege Engine Crafting *


Advanced Boltmaking
\__Exotic Boltmaking
\__Siege Ammo Crafting


Mechanism Crafting
\__Toy Crafting
\__Martial Tinkering
\__Exotic Locksmithing *
\__Locksmithing
\__Advanced Locksmithing
\__Exotic Locksmithing *


Tinkered Reinforcement
\__Tinkered Cable-backing


Tinkered Maintenance
\__Tinkering Repair
\__Tinkered Rejuvenation


Tinkering Specialization
\__Tinkering Theory
\__Tinkering Acumen


Tinkered creations will require mechanisms as a crafting ingredient. These represent an assortment of gears, springs and wire. Rather than have items for each one I figure we can just combine it all and keep it simple. You'll craft a # of them per attempt to reduce adding a lot of time/complexity to the tinkering process.

Simple Gearworking will increase the # of gears per ingot made and the advanced gearworking will reduce the time spent making/assembling them.

Mechanisms will be made of metal and their properties will affect the final item stats/capabilities. The finished item would then have both a metal and a wood appraisal (like say a crossbow for example).

More to come once I've made some progress :)

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- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Why wouldn't they? It kinda makes sense that they would to me. As long as at the end of the day I can pick up a new comp bow with an ice adder arrow and a new arbalest with an ice adder bolt (assuming they are the "strongest in thier respective areas" and say "hey, there is most definitely a good reason to train this over this all things considered..." Then I don't think it will be a problem. If its pretty much the same thing just with more or less rt then its kinda crap.

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

Reduced load time is wonderful news. It has been the primary thing that has stopped me from training crossbows.

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Yes, but the DPS will be balanced according to the lower RTs.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

I sure hope so. Today I finished all the mechanical aspects of the crafting system. Just need a ton of messaging, and then create the templates for crossbows. After that I'll focus on locks, traps, telescopes and siegery mechanics :)

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Will this be released in test before being released in prime? It probably should be so we can fix anything before it hits the real game.

Sounds awesome.

Yup, I hope to have it out to test first. Crossbow stats are done. I'm mired in how to handle mechanism crafting.

What if the Engineering halls would have molds and furnaces for making the gears and wire used for mechanisms. Players would PUSH INGOT WITH (small/medium/large) MOLD to get an unfinished mechanism. Then depending on the size you'd tinker on it with pliers, a chisel and a vice. Portable molds are also a possibility for the Tinkerer on the go.

5 volume of metal would make 5 small, 2 medium and 1 large mechanism. With the appropriate crafting techniques this would double and with less RT. Mechanisms would retain the suitability factor of the metal used (I'm going to add a new metal variable to govern how good mechanisms are). If stacked with other mechanisms the suitability would average out like remedies and some other goods.

A light crossbow might need 5 pieces of lumber, 1 medium mechanism and 1 bow string. A heavy crossbow might need 6 lumber, 1 large mechanism and 1 bow string. The actual crafting of the crossbow would be shorter to compensate for the added time spent making mechanisms.

It is always tricky trying to make the crafting process realistic, distinct in its steps, and yet not too unbalanced compared to the other systems.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Any thought to allowing for both wooden and metal spring mechanisms? I can see applications of both in my head.

Sounds great. I approve of adding more metal qualities! Time to shake up the metal business.

I'd love to know if there's anything planned for trap components. I've all but given up on boxes being fun. I'd rather skin. I may backtrain if boxes are both useful AND profitable. Right now danger > profit/time for me personally.

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

>>Im only in favor of additional steps/parts if they and their quality/stats factor into the final product


>>> They will.

Can you make skin/part quality matter for arrow crafting ? :) It doesn't with arrows currently...

>> It does for making the arrowheads. But there is no memory available to track it beyond that step. Engine/Math/Life limitation I cannot fix.

>> For example, the game might have 700 trillion arrows in it, but only a few thousand crossbows...

Ahhh.

I understand. But at the same time, getting that "perfect" fang/talon/tusk is really an accomplishment, I'd love to see it matter, even if in some other form.

Making arrowheads is just so trivial that the quality doesn't seem to matter. Maybe like < 200 skill

What if we have 1 mechanism template per difficulty tier? The actual tier made won't affect the final design or time-to-craft. But it would allow them to teach while being made. There would not be work orders for mechanisms.

I'm thinking mechanisms would take 5-6 actions to make.

Then a crossbow would take about 10 actions.

This is in comparison to a composite bow that takes about 16 actions right now.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Sadly, I lack the time to provide such customization and system differences compared to bow making.

After chatting it over with some folks, I'm now leaning towards having you choose a speed on the machine when you go to press the mechanisms. The speed would determine the difficulty. And larger pieces would just require more mechanisms.


>>turn press to 10
You select a very fast speed on the press
>>push ingot with press
With the touch of a button, the vertical gear press slams down and begins to compress the ingot.
Using a practiced hand you are able to hold the ingot tight with your steel pliers. The metal quickly cools and you flip out each of the gears.

Roundtime: 8 sec.


>> turn press to 1
You select a glacially slow setting on the press
After pressing a second button, a horizontal press crawls forward and presses against the ingot. With hardly a thought you draw the ingot out into several coils of wire. After a final flick of your wrist, the ingot is expended and you wrap up the completed mechanism.

Roundtime: 17 sec.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes