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<<any possible intake of food can be counteracted simply by running enough... Proof? Have you ever seen a fat marathoner? Then have you ever seen them eat afterwords? and before... and during sometimes...
Agreed. Sometimes figuring out how to stay healthy is also figuring out what works best for each person. What works for an individual, and what will that individual follow on a regular basis? It's all about give and take and choices. I can eat lots of salads, fruit, and veggies and exercise only a little or run outrageously so I can eat massive volumes of meat and breads (danger foods for me).
I did say often though. I know what works for me and splurge when I can. But I try and keep it at that, a splurge and a treat. I miss having BBQ frequently.
Though I don't subscribe to the Dustin Diamond diet. "I will use my powers of logic" and "exercising like crazy" to "eat absolute crap." Hot dogs, steaks, and fried foods all the time, do not a healthy body make. (someone prove me wrong please)
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
-At the cleric meeting-
DARTENIAN says, "I think we all need to get down and pray for bit-based experience."
>DARTENIAN clears his throat.
>Though I don't subscribe to the Dustin Diamond diet. "I will use my powers of logic" and "exercising like crazy" to "eat absolute crap." Hot dogs, steaks, and fried foods all the time, do not a healthy body make. (someone prove me wrong please)
Sorry, I think you're right about that. Even if you don't get fat you can still have an unhealthy diet. Although if you exercise regularly you can deal with it a lot better.
Sorry, I think you're right about that. Even if you don't get fat you can still have an unhealthy diet. Although if you exercise regularly you can deal with it a lot better.
I subscribe to the italian diet. About 75% of my diet is pasta. It works for me, I have lots of energy, I use that energy and I maintain my weight, muscle/fat ratio and I get sick less than once a year on average. As far as excersise goes, I don't do any kind of formal excersise, but whether I'm working or sitting around, my body is in almost constant motion, so I'm always burning calories. I think that last part is important.. it's excersise without having to do a formal workout
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Nobody actually defends the fact that fried (ie, fast) food is better for you, but there's been at least one study done in answer to "Supersize Me" that's demonstrated that portioning plays a much bigger role than what's in the food. If kept in moderation, it's equally possible to sustain yourself on takeout.
Most people simply overeat and underexercise, though, so the issue looks bigger than it really is.
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Most people simply overeat and underexercise, though, so the issue looks bigger than it really is.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
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the problem with supersize me is not that McDonald's food was bad for you... It's definately not well balanced, but it's far from bad for you. The problem in that movie was that he ate in far too large of portions, and he ate the same type of food every day. You can eat anything over and over again and you will get fat like that. It's a balance issue really
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While the food you eat is certainly incredibly important, there are things called "primary food" which typically have a greater impact on your health (your career, relationships, spirituality, and exercise). You can have the healthiest diet but still have plenty of dis-ease if these vital areas of your life are suffering.
Just remember that the food you eat can fill you, but it's not going to fulfill you- and it certainly isn't going to work miracles (though some people will swear by a diet or some healing food, it's mainly a combination of a more nourishing diet coupled with a more conscious lifestyle that reflects your body's specific needs that gets the job done).
And don't forget the QUALITY of the food. Local, organic, whole foods will have the best quality and therefore most nourishment. You can also cook more at home from scratch to improve the benefits- then you at least know what ingredients and energies are going into your meals (not to mention save yourself a good deal of money).
Keeping all that in mind, I find that most of my clients do well with a 90/10 ratio of eating healthy foods to "junk foods." Most of them start craving the healthier foods after a short time. The difficult times are usually when they're eating socially- mainly celebrations or work parties- when they have little to no control over what's being offered.
There's really so much to be said on food and health... I apologize ahead of time if I get long-winded on the subject- it's a passion and a career for me, so it's easy to get carried away. :)
Bon appetit!
~Leah
Just remember that the food you eat can fill you, but it's not going to fulfill you- and it certainly isn't going to work miracles (though some people will swear by a diet or some healing food, it's mainly a combination of a more nourishing diet coupled with a more conscious lifestyle that reflects your body's specific needs that gets the job done).
And don't forget the QUALITY of the food. Local, organic, whole foods will have the best quality and therefore most nourishment. You can also cook more at home from scratch to improve the benefits- then you at least know what ingredients and energies are going into your meals (not to mention save yourself a good deal of money).
Keeping all that in mind, I find that most of my clients do well with a 90/10 ratio of eating healthy foods to "junk foods." Most of them start craving the healthier foods after a short time. The difficult times are usually when they're eating socially- mainly celebrations or work parties- when they have little to no control over what's being offered.
There's really so much to be said on food and health... I apologize ahead of time if I get long-winded on the subject- it's a passion and a career for me, so it's easy to get carried away. :)
Bon appetit!
~Leah
>>organic
I hate this word as it applies to food (or more accurately, how people think it applies to food).
Organic means something is made of carbon-based molecules. First of all, all life as we know it is carbon-based and thus organic. A large portion of pesticides are organic. Fertilizer? Organic. Antibiotics? Organic. Hormones? Organic. You can have a glass of pesticide-filled, fertilizer-tainted, antibiotic-laced testosterone-enhanced cow milk and (depending on the pesticide used) I can pretty much guarantee it will be 100% organic.
Organic. Does. Not. Mean. Healthy.
In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.
In other words, if you want to drink [added] hormone-free milk, look for that specifically on the label. Don't buy it just because it says "organic."
/end rant
~player of Gulphphunger
I hate this word as it applies to food (or more accurately, how people think it applies to food).
Organic means something is made of carbon-based molecules. First of all, all life as we know it is carbon-based and thus organic. A large portion of pesticides are organic. Fertilizer? Organic. Antibiotics? Organic. Hormones? Organic. You can have a glass of pesticide-filled, fertilizer-tainted, antibiotic-laced testosterone-enhanced cow milk and (depending on the pesticide used) I can pretty much guarantee it will be 100% organic.
Organic. Does. Not. Mean. Healthy.
In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.
In other words, if you want to drink [added] hormone-free milk, look for that specifically on the label. Don't buy it just because it says "organic."
/end rant
~player of Gulphphunger
<<Most of them start craving the healthier foods after a short time. The difficult times are usually when they're eating socially- mainly celebrations or work parties- when they have little to no control over what's being offered.
So true, so true. Where's my starwberries!?!
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
-At the cleric meeting-
DARTENIAN says, "I think we all need to get down and pray for bit-based experience."
>DARTENIAN clears his throat.
So true, so true. Where's my starwberries!?!
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
-At the cleric meeting-
DARTENIAN says, "I think we all need to get down and pray for bit-based experience."
>DARTENIAN clears his throat.
> Gulphphunger's Rant.
Preach it, brother.
"Organic" was coined to con hippies and idiots (and idiot hippies) into paying twice as much for a lower quality product.
Better living though chemistry.
>l dan
You are Chemist Daniel (with a last name no one can pronounce), Grad Student of Emory, a Human.
You have blue eyes. Your brown hair is cut short (but not like a high&tight, the wife wouldn't approve of that). You have more of a keg than a six-pack.
You have a neatly trimmed goatee.
Other than the caffeine-shakes you are generally in good health.
Preach it, brother.
"Organic" was coined to con hippies and idiots (and idiot hippies) into paying twice as much for a lower quality product.
Better living though chemistry.
>l dan
You are Chemist Daniel (with a last name no one can pronounce), Grad Student of Emory, a Human.
You have blue eyes. Your brown hair is cut short (but not like a high&tight, the wife wouldn't approve of that). You have more of a keg than a six-pack.
You have a neatly trimmed goatee.
Other than the caffeine-shakes you are generally in good health.
<<In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.
Actually most countries do have organic legislation and only upon certification is a company suposed to use the term.
In the US in 2002, the National Organic Program (NOP) was enacted to restrict the use of the term "organic". Any business directly involved in food production should be certified, including farmers, food processors, and restaurants. The USDA approves state, non-profit, and private agencies who then approve certification.
Unfortunately, many times the term is not as highly regulated as it should be and often ends up being used without the regulation backing it.
<<Organic. Does. Not. Mean. Healthy.
Agreed. But I have found things labeled as organic tend to have taken healthiness in to mind.
Personally, I don't seek out "organic" foods. Whether that celery I am about to buy is organic or not, I'll choose whichever one looks fresher and is cheaper. I'm fine with a preservatives, chemicals, and treatments in my food. But that's just me. Lots of people don't feel safe putting "unnatural" things in their bodies. Maybe it's just the chemist in me; I lost my fear in chemicals a long time ago.
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
-At the cleric meeting-
DARTENIAN says, "I think we all need to get down and pray for bit-based experience."
>DARTENIAN clears his throat.
Actually most countries do have organic legislation and only upon certification is a company suposed to use the term.
In the US in 2002, the National Organic Program (NOP) was enacted to restrict the use of the term "organic". Any business directly involved in food production should be certified, including farmers, food processors, and restaurants. The USDA approves state, non-profit, and private agencies who then approve certification.
Unfortunately, many times the term is not as highly regulated as it should be and often ends up being used without the regulation backing it.
<<Organic. Does. Not. Mean. Healthy.
Agreed. But I have found things labeled as organic tend to have taken healthiness in to mind.
Personally, I don't seek out "organic" foods. Whether that celery I am about to buy is organic or not, I'll choose whichever one looks fresher and is cheaper. I'm fine with a preservatives, chemicals, and treatments in my food. But that's just me. Lots of people don't feel safe putting "unnatural" things in their bodies. Maybe it's just the chemist in me; I lost my fear in chemicals a long time ago.
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
-At the cleric meeting-
DARTENIAN says, "I think we all need to get down and pray for bit-based experience."
>DARTENIAN clears his throat.
>>Organic means something is made of carbon-based molecules.
Yes, that is one specific definition of the word. However, words can and do have more than one meaning.
>>In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.
This is not true at all. The US, Japanese, Indian and many European governments have very clear regulations on what foods can be marketed under the "organic" label. "Organic" has a very real and specific meaning when applied to foods being marketed in those countries. It is not just a pop culture term.
Sean
Yes, that is one specific definition of the word. However, words can and do have more than one meaning.
>>In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.
This is not true at all. The US, Japanese, Indian and many European governments have very clear regulations on what foods can be marketed under the "organic" label. "Organic" has a very real and specific meaning when applied to foods being marketed in those countries. It is not just a pop culture term.
Sean
<<In the vernacular, people are using it to mean that something was raised/grown free from some or all of the things listed above, but keep this in mind: there is no regulation regarding it and no common agreement on what "orgranic" means because all of those things are organic. It's just a pop culture term.>>
There are strict regulations on what is and is not organic he is thinking of the word "natural" or "all natural" which is perfectly legal to put on twinkies.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/NOP/indexIE.htm
This will set you of in the right direction.
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There are strict regulations on what is and is not organic he is thinking of the word "natural" or "all natural" which is perfectly legal to put on twinkies.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/NOP/indexIE.htm
This will set you of in the right direction.
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>>In the context of food, that is not at all what organic means.
And I was explaining how, while it is used in the context of food, its use is arbitrary and inconsistent because it is used to indicate the opposite of its own meaning. To paraphrase the actual law regarding the labeling of "organic" products (which is funny to read, by the way, because for the most part it's entirely self-referential and doesn't really mean much of anything):
Specifically allowed substances:
Alcohol (ethyl or isopropyl), chlorine and chlorine materials (calcium hypochlorite, chlorine dioxide, and sodium hypochlorite), soap-based algicides and herbicides, ammonium (large animal repellent), sulfur, boric acid, sulfur dioxide (but only as underground smoke bombs), coppers, copper compounds, tetracycline, alkali extracts from humic acids, sodium silicate, the list goes on.
Now, notice a lot of those substances are inorganic. I'm just saying.
Want to know about livestock? Want to know what organically raised really means?
? 205.604 Nonsynthetic substances prohibited for use in organic livestock production.
The following nonsynthetic substances may not be used in organic livestock production:
(a) Strychnine
(b)-(z) [Reserved]
That covers all the nonsynthetics. For synthetics, there's a few banned substances, but biologicals and vaccines are specifically included. Hormones and several antibiotics are prohibited under one section, but in another it is indicated that for poultry, these prohibitions don't take effect until after hatching, and for other livestock it doesn't take effect until the last third of the gestation period. In other words, you can treat livestock with all the hormones/vaccines you want pre-birth via the female if she is not going to be slaughtered. And for dairy producers, they only have to be free of such prohibited ingredients for a year prior to production.
These requirements are further laxed for conversion of a herd, in which their feed need only be 80% approved materials. The rest can be anything from the prohibited list, including antibiotics, hormones, plastic pellets, and feed made from other animals.
So, to get back to my original point, organic generally doesn't mean what people think it means.
/the more you know
~player of Gulphphunger
And I was explaining how, while it is used in the context of food, its use is arbitrary and inconsistent because it is used to indicate the opposite of its own meaning. To paraphrase the actual law regarding the labeling of "organic" products (which is funny to read, by the way, because for the most part it's entirely self-referential and doesn't really mean much of anything):
Specifically allowed substances:
Alcohol (ethyl or isopropyl), chlorine and chlorine materials (calcium hypochlorite, chlorine dioxide, and sodium hypochlorite), soap-based algicides and herbicides, ammonium (large animal repellent), sulfur, boric acid, sulfur dioxide (but only as underground smoke bombs), coppers, copper compounds, tetracycline, alkali extracts from humic acids, sodium silicate, the list goes on.
Now, notice a lot of those substances are inorganic. I'm just saying.
Want to know about livestock? Want to know what organically raised really means?
? 205.604 Nonsynthetic substances prohibited for use in organic livestock production.
The following nonsynthetic substances may not be used in organic livestock production:
(a) Strychnine
(b)-(z) [Reserved]
That covers all the nonsynthetics. For synthetics, there's a few banned substances, but biologicals and vaccines are specifically included. Hormones and several antibiotics are prohibited under one section, but in another it is indicated that for poultry, these prohibitions don't take effect until after hatching, and for other livestock it doesn't take effect until the last third of the gestation period. In other words, you can treat livestock with all the hormones/vaccines you want pre-birth via the female if she is not going to be slaughtered. And for dairy producers, they only have to be free of such prohibited ingredients for a year prior to production.
These requirements are further laxed for conversion of a herd, in which their feed need only be 80% approved materials. The rest can be anything from the prohibited list, including antibiotics, hormones, plastic pellets, and feed made from other animals.
So, to get back to my original point, organic generally doesn't mean what people think it means.
/the more you know
~player of Gulphphunger
>>There are strict regulations on what is and is not organic he is thinking of the word "natural" or "all natural" which is perfectly legal to put on twinkies.
No I'm not. I'm talking about organic.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/NOP/standards/FullText.pdf
This will set you off in the right direction.
~player of Gulphphunger
No I'm not. I'm talking about organic.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/NOP/standards/FullText.pdf
This will set you off in the right direction.
~player of Gulphphunger
<<Alcohol (ethyl or isopropyl)>>
Here is what is acually says.
(1) Alcohols.
(i) Ethanol-disinfectant and *sanitizer only*, prohibited as a feed additive.
(ii) Isopropanol-*disinfectant only*.
<<chlorine and chlorine materials (calcium hypochlorite, chlorine dioxide, and sodium hypochlorite)>>
Once again here is what is acually says
(5) Chlorine materials-disinfecting and sanitizing facilities and equipment. Residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act.
<<soap-based algicides and herbicides,>>
And then there is the truth.
(1) Herbicides, soap-based - for use in farmstead maintenance (roadways, ditches, right of ways, building perimeters) and ornamental crops. (I'm looking for the animals here?)
<<ammonium (large animal repellent)>>
Here is the rest of that line
Soaps, ammonium - for use as a large animal repellant only, *no contact with soil or edible portion of crop*.
<<boric acid>>
2) Boric acid - structural pest control, *no direct contact with organic food or crops*.
<<the list goes on.>>
It does but I think it is fairly clear at this point you were really intended to be misleading with yout supposed list.
It's cool to think organic foods are a waste of time, or money, or whatever but if people want to rip on them rip on for reasons that are not made up.
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Here is what is acually says.
(1) Alcohols.
(i) Ethanol-disinfectant and *sanitizer only*, prohibited as a feed additive.
(ii) Isopropanol-*disinfectant only*.
<<chlorine and chlorine materials (calcium hypochlorite, chlorine dioxide, and sodium hypochlorite)>>
Once again here is what is acually says
(5) Chlorine materials-disinfecting and sanitizing facilities and equipment. Residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act.
<<soap-based algicides and herbicides,>>
And then there is the truth.
(1) Herbicides, soap-based - for use in farmstead maintenance (roadways, ditches, right of ways, building perimeters) and ornamental crops. (I'm looking for the animals here?)
<<ammonium (large animal repellent)>>
Here is the rest of that line
Soaps, ammonium - for use as a large animal repellant only, *no contact with soil or edible portion of crop*.
<<boric acid>>
2) Boric acid - structural pest control, *no direct contact with organic food or crops*.
<<the list goes on.>>
It does but I think it is fairly clear at this point you were really intended to be misleading with yout supposed list.
It's cool to think organic foods are a waste of time, or money, or whatever but if people want to rip on them rip on for reasons that are not made up.
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>>Actually most countries do have organic legislation and only upon certification is a company suposed to use the term.
For years, Americans were fooled into thinking they were buying domestic just because it had the "Made in USA" tag on it (some were actually made in USA, Japan rather than the United States of America). Nowadays, even those products with this tag on it are using mostly imported material or are only ASSEMBLED here in the States.
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For years, Americans were fooled into thinking they were buying domestic just because it had the "Made in USA" tag on it (some were actually made in USA, Japan rather than the United States of America). Nowadays, even those products with this tag on it are using mostly imported material or are only ASSEMBLED here in the States.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
>>It does but I think it is fairly clear at this point you were really intended to be misleading with yout supposed list.
Well, I wasn't really trying to mislead as those specific couple of items were sort of tangential to my main point. Furthermore, I'm posting from work and thus frequently interrupted, and so I lost the train of thought there and I apologize for that. Several things are no contact, others are fine w/ contact, my only points really are that 1) inorganic compounds are allowed both around and on so-called "organic" foods, and 2) there are loopholes that can be exploited. If you want to go organic, that's fine. It's just not as organic as one would think.
Also a brief note on the products not allowed to come in contact with foods--just because it's not applied to the crops directly doesn't mean it doesn't reach them. Periodic testing doesn't catch everything, water and aerosols travel. It's not 100% guaranteed not to come in contact with the food, "buffer zones" or not. Again, tangential to the main point because there is a specific list of inorganic compounds that are allowed to be directly applied to the crops, which was what I was trying to get at.
>>Could the requirements for organic food be better defined or stricter? Yes. Does the term mean nothing because you don't like the definition? No.
I'm not saying it means nothing. I'm saying that it does not mean what pop culture seems to think it means, and I wish it were defined with a word other than "organic" when inorganic compounds are SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED by the USC/FR. Call it lower-toxicity or whatever, but organic is simply a misnomer. It's like calling America a Democracy. It's simply not (it's a Representative Republic). Perhaps my point is pedantic, and perhaps I ramble a bit, but I stand by my point regardless.
~player of Gulphphunger
Well, I wasn't really trying to mislead as those specific couple of items were sort of tangential to my main point. Furthermore, I'm posting from work and thus frequently interrupted, and so I lost the train of thought there and I apologize for that. Several things are no contact, others are fine w/ contact, my only points really are that 1) inorganic compounds are allowed both around and on so-called "organic" foods, and 2) there are loopholes that can be exploited. If you want to go organic, that's fine. It's just not as organic as one would think.
Also a brief note on the products not allowed to come in contact with foods--just because it's not applied to the crops directly doesn't mean it doesn't reach them. Periodic testing doesn't catch everything, water and aerosols travel. It's not 100% guaranteed not to come in contact with the food, "buffer zones" or not. Again, tangential to the main point because there is a specific list of inorganic compounds that are allowed to be directly applied to the crops, which was what I was trying to get at.
>>Could the requirements for organic food be better defined or stricter? Yes. Does the term mean nothing because you don't like the definition? No.
I'm not saying it means nothing. I'm saying that it does not mean what pop culture seems to think it means, and I wish it were defined with a word other than "organic" when inorganic compounds are SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED by the USC/FR. Call it lower-toxicity or whatever, but organic is simply a misnomer. It's like calling America a Democracy. It's simply not (it's a Representative Republic). Perhaps my point is pedantic, and perhaps I ramble a bit, but I stand by my point regardless.
~player of Gulphphunger
<<For years, Americans were fooled into thinking they were buying domestic just because it had the "Made in USA" tag on it (some were actually made in USA, Japan rather than the United States of America).>>
Claim: Japan renamed a town 'Usa' so that they could legitimately stamp their exports 'Made in USA.'
Status: False
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp
Solomon
"Experience will come, it's not a race or anything. The ones who kill themselves to get to the finish are the ones who tire out quickly."
GM[Anti-ESP] Pormithius just killed Caelumia's ESP!
Claim: Japan renamed a town 'Usa' so that they could legitimately stamp their exports 'Made in USA.'
Status: False
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp
Solomon
"Experience will come, it's not a race or anything. The ones who kill themselves to get to the finish are the ones who tire out quickly."
GM[Anti-ESP] Pormithius just killed Caelumia's ESP!
most things are made in china now rather than japan, except for the high-end video products.
I can look at the things sold on the shelves where i work and except for the US flags, I'd say the vast majority is made in china, although many of the clothes are made in egypt, guatamala, and mexico. Although the food products are mostly from the US though, with the exception of pet food - as witness the recent problem with dogfood that had to be pulled from the shelves due to chinese lack of FDA standards having to do with pesticides.
<i work at the largest department/grocery store chain in the us - yes, the one with headquarters in bentonville,ark.>
Although currently with the American propensity towards obesity, it becomes even more of a problem if you study it for a while, when you realize that to eat healthy, you have to spend more - thus again the people who can least afford healthy products are most at risk and thus end up costing the government more money when they develop illnesses associated with obesity such as diabetes, don't moderate salt intake because ... hey, all those raman noodles are sold at 25 cents each, but they are filled with salt - and when the folks buying 'em with their food stamps develop heart attacks from eating all that salt and sugar, then the governments gonna be paying for it twice over with medicaid.
So not only does the American consumer have to become more educated about "eating healthy", the HEALTHY foods need to become less expensive.
-me-
<<If nothing else, maybe some Magic Using guilds will now feel the joys of "You cannot steal here.", at least for a while.--Solomon>>
I can look at the things sold on the shelves where i work and except for the US flags, I'd say the vast majority is made in china, although many of the clothes are made in egypt, guatamala, and mexico. Although the food products are mostly from the US though, with the exception of pet food - as witness the recent problem with dogfood that had to be pulled from the shelves due to chinese lack of FDA standards having to do with pesticides.
<i work at the largest department/grocery store chain in the us - yes, the one with headquarters in bentonville,ark.>
Although currently with the American propensity towards obesity, it becomes even more of a problem if you study it for a while, when you realize that to eat healthy, you have to spend more - thus again the people who can least afford healthy products are most at risk and thus end up costing the government more money when they develop illnesses associated with obesity such as diabetes, don't moderate salt intake because ... hey, all those raman noodles are sold at 25 cents each, but they are filled with salt - and when the folks buying 'em with their food stamps develop heart attacks from eating all that salt and sugar, then the governments gonna be paying for it twice over with medicaid.
So not only does the American consumer have to become more educated about "eating healthy", the HEALTHY foods need to become less expensive.
-me-
<<If nothing else, maybe some Magic Using guilds will now feel the joys of "You cannot steal here.", at least for a while.--Solomon>>
My aunt does a very nice "taco salad". Lettuce, cheese, black olives, tomatoes, kidney beans, and Fritos corn chips (the small ones, not the large ones for scooping up dip), tossed with ranch.
Our home version is just ground chuck with taco seasoning mixed with a little cheese. We layout/crush some Doritos into a bowl or plate, and pile on chopped lettuce, more cheese, some meat, sliced black olives, diced tomatoes, and sour cream/salsa.
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Our home version is just ground chuck with taco seasoning mixed with a little cheese. We layout/crush some Doritos into a bowl or plate, and pile on chopped lettuce, more cheese, some meat, sliced black olives, diced tomatoes, and sour cream/salsa.
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>>This folder has become depressing! How about more yummy recipes please? I've tried 2 so far and they were really good. Keep 'em coming!<<
you're not going to tell us which ones you tried?
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you're not going to tell us which ones you tried?
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A few years back, I had every person in the family send me at least 10 recipes. Those that weren't really cooks I didn't make stick to that though. The main thing was, I managed to get all the family favorites as well as many that would die when my grandmom goes (she's 88 now and still cooking). I took all the recipes and keyed them in, then created a recipe book. Many friends who have been begging for certain recipes of my mom's and my grandmom's as well as my aunts really want a copy of the book however, since it contains my grandmom's chocolate pie recipe, I'm not allowed. That is one recipe my grandmom will not give to anyone but family. Needless to say, its a family favorite. Oh wait, this is supposed to be healthy talk. Uuummm, she uses all natural ingredients!
Anyway, the reason for this little tidbit of useless information is that many of my recipes I'm not allowed to give out. I also refused to allow my sister to put my potato salad recipe into her church cookbook. I just think it's possible many folks aren't going to give out some of their best recipes due to family traditions.
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Anyway, the reason for this little tidbit of useless information is that many of my recipes I'm not allowed to give out. I also refused to allow my sister to put my potato salad recipe into her church cookbook. I just think it's possible many folks aren't going to give out some of their best recipes due to family traditions.
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>I just think it's possible many folks aren't going to give out some of their best recipes due to family traditions.
Just had to comment that I don't give out any of my recipes, not even to family.
Also, a few people had mentioned printing a cookbook: there are several of those cookbook printing places where you submit recipes and they'll print so many books for $4-7 per book.
>I've always found it irritatingly interesting that so many (of every single race) claim to be orphans in Elanthia. ~ Bambina
Just had to comment that I don't give out any of my recipes, not even to family.
Also, a few people had mentioned printing a cookbook: there are several of those cookbook printing places where you submit recipes and they'll print so many books for $4-7 per book.
>I've always found it irritatingly interesting that so many (of every single race) claim to be orphans in Elanthia. ~ Bambina
<<Just had to comment that I don't give out any of my recipes, not even to family.>>
i find this attitude pretty silly, recipes don't make the chef. Chefs make the recipes. hehe. Yeah recipes can help, but it all about the cooking experience and techniques that come from trial and error and working with a broad guideline that is a recipe.
To cook food people enjoy is the whole goal of the culinary experience. Sharing that recipe is just another extension of sharing that food. Also unlike things like a literary work, you change one small insignificate part of a recipe, like sweet basil instead of oragano and parsley, that recipe is now your own.
so i say you the collective YOU out there to step off the eliteism pedistal and lets get some more recipes posted.
thank you,
Sean
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
i find this attitude pretty silly, recipes don't make the chef. Chefs make the recipes. hehe. Yeah recipes can help, but it all about the cooking experience and techniques that come from trial and error and working with a broad guideline that is a recipe.
To cook food people enjoy is the whole goal of the culinary experience. Sharing that recipe is just another extension of sharing that food. Also unlike things like a literary work, you change one small insignificate part of a recipe, like sweet basil instead of oragano and parsley, that recipe is now your own.
so i say you the collective YOU out there to step off the eliteism pedistal and lets get some more recipes posted.
thank you,
Sean
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>>i find this attitude pretty silly, recipes don't make the chef. Chefs make the recipes. hehe. Yeah recipes can help, but it all about the cooking experience and techniques that come from trial and error and working with a broad guideline that is a recipe.<<
I agree with this, the only exception I have is that if I have a completely off ingredient in my works that one would not normally use, I will retain that ingredient as "the secret ingredient" that way you are give a base to start with and are encouraged to develop your own secret ingredients to fill that void.
Still my gramma always said... recipies are for ametuers, real cooks don't use them, don't need them, and their food will always taste better than if a person followed the recipie
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I agree with this, the only exception I have is that if I have a completely off ingredient in my works that one would not normally use, I will retain that ingredient as "the secret ingredient" that way you are give a base to start with and are encouraged to develop your own secret ingredients to fill that void.
Still my gramma always said... recipies are for ametuers, real cooks don't use them, don't need them, and their food will always taste better than if a person followed the recipie
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>>Sean's whole post
Agreed. People confuse being able to cook and being a Chef all too often. I've never met a Chef who isn't willing to share his recipes. Why? Because that's the confidence that comes with being a Chef. Recipes are like sheet music--it's the best approximation we can come up with. The true art is in the delivery, and that's something that only comes with experience and inherent talent.
~Mike/player of Gulphphunger
Agreed. People confuse being able to cook and being a Chef all too often. I've never met a Chef who isn't willing to share his recipes. Why? Because that's the confidence that comes with being a Chef. Recipes are like sheet music--it's the best approximation we can come up with. The true art is in the delivery, and that's something that only comes with experience and inherent talent.
~Mike/player of Gulphphunger
A Chef will only share parts of their recipe. If you haven't noticed they will say, .........secret sauce.....or something along the lines of ....secret spice blend.....
I generally don't give away too many secrets. Specially my wing marinade and salmon brine. Then again, sometimes I let it out of the bag, well, let everyone smell the bag
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I generally don't give away too many secrets. Specially my wing marinade and salmon brine. Then again, sometimes I let it out of the bag, well, let everyone smell the bag
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I am by no means a chef. Yet, the dishes I've prepared because things taste good together, while I test as I cook and adjust and tweak, end up better.
Generally, I've pulled some recipies for that sort of thing to provide a guideline. Of course then I have only the vaguest idea of exactly how much of each ingredient went in.
If someone was to ask for the recipie, I would probably give them the one closest to what I did and tell them to adjust to taste.
So, the day I had way way too many apples on my trees and I cut up bags of the things (after giving away grocery bags full to anyone I could) and mixed in what ever smelled like it might taste good with them and baked up the concoction and made breads? I have no idea what went into them. I was lazy, the chunks of apple were pretty big. People loved them. I had Christmas done in advance. They froze well and were wonderful months later. I would slice up a loaf and zap them just enough to warm them up and serve with butter.
Point is that sometimes there just is no recipie. It was a happy accident.
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Generally, I've pulled some recipies for that sort of thing to provide a guideline. Of course then I have only the vaguest idea of exactly how much of each ingredient went in.
If someone was to ask for the recipie, I would probably give them the one closest to what I did and tell them to adjust to taste.
So, the day I had way way too many apples on my trees and I cut up bags of the things (after giving away grocery bags full to anyone I could) and mixed in what ever smelled like it might taste good with them and baked up the concoction and made breads? I have no idea what went into them. I was lazy, the chunks of apple were pretty big. People loved them. I had Christmas done in advance. They froze well and were wonderful months later. I would slice up a loaf and zap them just enough to warm them up and serve with butter.
Point is that sometimes there just is no recipie. It was a happy accident.
Mists and Magic, Ocean Breezes, Deep Rivers Under the Sea, Trails Between the Stars: Where nothing is as it seems.
<<Just had to comment that I don't give out any of my recipes, not even to family.>>
>recipes don't make the chef.
I never said they did.
>so i say you the collective YOU out there to step off the eliteism pedistal and lets get some more recipes posted.
That would require actually measuring everything and writing them down, which is why I never share them with anyone in the first place. I am LAZY, not an elitist.
>I've always found it irritatingly interesting that so many (of every single race) claim to be orphans in Elanthia. ~ Bambina
>recipes don't make the chef.
I never said they did.
>so i say you the collective YOU out there to step off the eliteism pedistal and lets get some more recipes posted.
That would require actually measuring everything and writing them down, which is why I never share them with anyone in the first place. I am LAZY, not an elitist.
>I've always found it irritatingly interesting that so many (of every single race) claim to be orphans in Elanthia. ~ Bambina
>>Generally, I've pulled some recipies for that sort of thing to provide a guideline. Of course then I have only the vaguest idea of exactly how much of each ingredient went in.
>>If someone was to ask for the recipie, I would probably give them the one closest to what I did and tell them to adjust to taste.
I think that's how all good recipes are born. Way too much of what I cook is "what looks/feels right." I can certainly narrow it down, but even for basic things like pesto I use a small-ish handful of pine nuts, toasted until they look right. Can I show you? Sure. Can I write it down? I guess, but it's not going to be the same.
~player of Gulphphunger
>>If someone was to ask for the recipie, I would probably give them the one closest to what I did and tell them to adjust to taste.
I think that's how all good recipes are born. Way too much of what I cook is "what looks/feels right." I can certainly narrow it down, but even for basic things like pesto I use a small-ish handful of pine nuts, toasted until they look right. Can I show you? Sure. Can I write it down? I guess, but it's not going to be the same.
~player of Gulphphunger
re: the organic dispute
- Specifying "organic" foods tends to get people to look at what they're buying a little more closely. If you really want to get down to it, can anything truly be grown without nasty chemicals and fertilizers? No because we live in one big globe and everything effects everything else, so if it's not on the wind, it's in the precipitation, or in the soil.
The main point I was trying to make was that the QUALITY of the food makes a huge difference and if you buy something that is non-GMO or is grown with love, sans pesticides and B.S., then you're going to get more out of that food. As far as the meat goes (this does apply to vegetables and fruits, but most people don't get upset if you abuse a tree unfortunately), you really don't know what you're getting unless you know the person raising/slaughtering.
Sadly, as was already pointed out, high quality foods can be incredibly expensive (borderline ludicrous) and the people that could use them the most don't really have much access. Getting in touch with a local CSA (community supported agriculture) or co-op helps. I know a lot of people that grow their own food which they'll donate or sell cheaply to communities that need it. Community gardens are also another way to go. Less parking, lots more gardens!
~Leah
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- Specifying "organic" foods tends to get people to look at what they're buying a little more closely. If you really want to get down to it, can anything truly be grown without nasty chemicals and fertilizers? No because we live in one big globe and everything effects everything else, so if it's not on the wind, it's in the precipitation, or in the soil.
The main point I was trying to make was that the QUALITY of the food makes a huge difference and if you buy something that is non-GMO or is grown with love, sans pesticides and B.S., then you're going to get more out of that food. As far as the meat goes (this does apply to vegetables and fruits, but most people don't get upset if you abuse a tree unfortunately), you really don't know what you're getting unless you know the person raising/slaughtering.
Sadly, as was already pointed out, high quality foods can be incredibly expensive (borderline ludicrous) and the people that could use them the most don't really have much access. Getting in touch with a local CSA (community supported agriculture) or co-op helps. I know a lot of people that grow their own food which they'll donate or sell cheaply to communities that need it. Community gardens are also another way to go. Less parking, lots more gardens!
~Leah
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I think the reason why things don't turn out the same with our grandparents recipes <at least my grandparents, probly the greatgrandparents generation of the majority of players here> is because they didn't really measure things. They would make something and throw in a handful of this, or a pinch of that... and nobody will ever duplicate it.
I am trying to grow some of my own tomatoes this year, the ones in the store are just too expensive.
But you're right, the only way to avoid many of the addititives and chemicals that permeate many foods is to grow your own, that way you know what went into it. Thats another thing about my grandparents generation, many of them used to grow their own veggies during the war <ww2>, the old "victory gardens". Thats probably something that many people should do again. Even if you live in an apartment, you can grow small vegetables and such in a window box.
-me-
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I am trying to grow some of my own tomatoes this year, the ones in the store are just too expensive.
But you're right, the only way to avoid many of the addititives and chemicals that permeate many foods is to grow your own, that way you know what went into it. Thats another thing about my grandparents generation, many of them used to grow their own veggies during the war <ww2>, the old "victory gardens". Thats probably something that many people should do again. Even if you live in an apartment, you can grow small vegetables and such in a window box.
-me-
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