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Okay, since the experience changes, I've found it very hard to move past dabbling in perception juggling. I'm not a good hider/stalker so I'm not going to get very far trying to hide on the critters I hunt. So, how do others train perception? Is it hard to get any where with training the skill for you now? It's driving me crazy!
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
Well, I wasn't talking about the HUNT verb, just ment while hunting. Currently, I need to train my lore skills more than hunting so learning perception via the hunt verb, I wouldn't think is really going to work since I'm in town.
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
If you're not going to train perception via the hunt verb, then the only options available to you are a combination of juggling, foraging, and boxes. I'd prefer to use the hunt verb every 75 seconds in some hunting area and then pop outside of the area to train lores.
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- Simon
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Stop being wrong and people will stop telling you that you are wrong.
- Simon
Ugh. All you need to do is get perception to 3/34 and it pulses the same as 34/34. Very easy to do. Even 2/34 pulses the same, but sometimes you can go from 2/34 to 0/34 in one pulse. So you may need to toss in a juggle every now and then amid whatever else you're doing. So what? You're wasting TONS of time trying to get perception to 34/34 for no real reason.
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Stop being wrong and people will stop telling you that you are wrong.
- Simon
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Stop being wrong and people will stop telling you that you are wrong.
- Simon
Thanks for the posts. I've decided to just juggle X number of times, not caring what level that takes me to and move on to another skill. Seems to cause the less stress.
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
>>Ugh. All you need to do is get perception to 3/34 and it pulses the same as 34/34. Very easy to do. Even 2/34 pulses the same, but sometimes you can go from 2/34 to 0/34 in one pulse. So you may need to toss in a juggle every now and then amid whatever else you're doing. So what? You're wasting TONS of time trying to get perception to 34/34 for no real reason.
I really need to macro a universal response to this basic post since it keeps coming up.
Since you know... it's not helpful.
The learning rate at 3/34 is NOT the same as 34/34. The absorption rate is the same.
The learning rate while performing the action is the same. The overall rate of learning can be vastly different.
If I spend 5 minutes to get a skill to 34/34 and forgot about it for an hour and an HOUR juggling to get perception to 34/34, they're learning at dramatically different rates (But absorbing at the same rate).
No, slamming to mind lock isn't always the most effective way to train now (Depends on how long you're going to be training, how many skills you're interested in etc.) Frequently it's good to "warm up" all you relevant skills and then work them up over time if you're gonna be at it awhile. A lot of survivals which are location based it makes sense to slam them to mind lock so you don't have to hang around that location.
Absorption rate =/= learning rate.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
I really need to macro a universal response to this basic post since it keeps coming up.
Since you know... it's not helpful.
The learning rate at 3/34 is NOT the same as 34/34. The absorption rate is the same.
The learning rate while performing the action is the same. The overall rate of learning can be vastly different.
If I spend 5 minutes to get a skill to 34/34 and forgot about it for an hour and an HOUR juggling to get perception to 34/34, they're learning at dramatically different rates (But absorbing at the same rate).
No, slamming to mind lock isn't always the most effective way to train now (Depends on how long you're going to be training, how many skills you're interested in etc.) Frequently it's good to "warm up" all you relevant skills and then work them up over time if you're gonna be at it awhile. A lot of survivals which are location based it makes sense to slam them to mind lock so you don't have to hang around that location.
Absorption rate =/= learning rate.
Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."
Yeah, if you're training for a long time, all you need to do is keep enough experience in the "pool" for a full pulse. Usually for secondary and tertiary skills, 2/34 is enough but i always shoot for 3/34 just in case. You'll be learning the maximum possible per pulse for as long as you keep it that way.
The difference is that, if you just barely keep enough experience in the pool for each pulse, as soon as you stop doing what you're doing and start doing something else, you'll stop learning perception cuz it drains completely.
If you want to lock perception so that you can keep learning it for close or over one hour (depending on skillset), or if you want to lock it before logging out so that the offline exp drain gives a big chunk of experience... the best way, in my opinion, is sitting outside an hunting area and forage. Every 75 or 80 seconds, go in and type HUNT. Repeat. This will still take a while but its much better than juggling.
The difference is that, if you just barely keep enough experience in the pool for each pulse, as soon as you stop doing what you're doing and start doing something else, you'll stop learning perception cuz it drains completely.
If you want to lock perception so that you can keep learning it for close or over one hour (depending on skillset), or if you want to lock it before logging out so that the offline exp drain gives a big chunk of experience... the best way, in my opinion, is sitting outside an hunting area and forage. Every 75 or 80 seconds, go in and type HUNT. Repeat. This will still take a while but its much better than juggling.
Juggling is all but outdated. The words training, efficiently, juggling; they should never be used together. Not in the past experience system and completely not in this current experience system.
- Simon
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Eoworfinia,
For a quick boost in Perception, run out of town to the nearest location of critters which are higher than your normal hunting habits. Once there, HUNT, then HUNT # ... Don't fight them obviously, just hunt 'em down and run back to wherever. This got me from 0/34 to 5/34 for about a minutes worth of my time. Granted, 5/34 will only last you maybe 6 to 9 minutes depending on how fast you drain, but if you could work this in every 5 minutes or so between your Lore training, you should be able to get to 20/34 in about an hour or so.
For a quick boost in Perception, run out of town to the nearest location of critters which are higher than your normal hunting habits. Once there, HUNT, then HUNT # ... Don't fight them obviously, just hunt 'em down and run back to wherever. This got me from 0/34 to 5/34 for about a minutes worth of my time. Granted, 5/34 will only last you maybe 6 to 9 minutes depending on how fast you drain, but if you could work this in every 5 minutes or so between your Lore training, you should be able to get to 20/34 in about an hour or so.
It is possible I will just remove training perception when I am teaching and working instruments and such and only train it while hunting since all other options require I move around and/or train outside. My biggest problem is that I am practically absorbing before I even get another juggle off, though experiments found a different stone weight lowered that problem from happening as quickly. 10 juggles gets me one step about dabbling. I hate the skill and only train it to see what sneaky hands might be coming my way or what dragon priest assassin might be roaming my little village. Foraging I really don't train mostly because I just don't want to no matter what arguement to convience me otherwise you might bombard me with. I only train this skill grudingly to start with. I think having several plat stolen from me on a few occassions is what started it.
So, the suggestions are wonderful and I thank you all. I will probably still whine over the option I perfer not working better than it does or that there isn't another option for lazy trainers to train the skill. haha The hunt verb will probably turn into my choice, problem is, I'm required to train more lores than weapons so more of my time is spent where I don't have to think about more "what if's" by looking to see if it's raining and changing what song I sing because it is.
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
So, the suggestions are wonderful and I thank you all. I will probably still whine over the option I perfer not working better than it does or that there isn't another option for lazy trainers to train the skill. haha The hunt verb will probably turn into my choice, problem is, I'm required to train more lores than weapons so more of my time is spent where I don't have to think about more "what if's" by looking to see if it's raining and changing what song I sing because it is.
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
>My biggest problem is that I am practically absorbing before I even get another juggle off
Right, so you're learning at least as much as under the old exp system, you just don't get those two pretty words. Not that this makes the exp better, I'm just saying... juggling exp has always been terrible. You're just forced to notice it now.
Right, so you're learning at least as much as under the old exp system, you just don't get those two pretty words. Not that this makes the exp better, I'm just saying... juggling exp has always been terrible. You're just forced to notice it now.
Oh thanks Rezzian. I will not start dying for a worn, one handed stringed instrument again! And yes, thank you for that information. Never occurred to me.
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
~Eoworfinia~
Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen. Homer Simpson
Get the facts first and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain
