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Does charisma have a direct impact on what you find when you search dead critters? Ever since I raised my character's charisma by 3 points I swear I've been getting more boxes.
According to the GMs, no. But you're probably hunting bigger critters than you were 3 charismas ago too, and are probably able to get better prices than you used to on your gems.
Ryeka
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Ryeka
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I am not sure if this was brought forward recently or had been around a long time, (I know it came up that it was increased during the Multi-Op changes) but your Charisma imposes a multi-Op penalty on whatever your facing, how much? I am not sure that anyone knows except the GMs.
Has anyone thought of the possibility that for example training Charisma +1 compared to Agility +1 would help more in combat?
Obviously Agility has been touted as the best thing to train to make contact better with your weapon. (your "to hit") But what extent does Charisma play in making critters defenses overwhelmed easier by the penalty you oppose on them? I wish there would be a way to test this.
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Has anyone thought of the possibility that for example training Charisma +1 compared to Agility +1 would help more in combat?
Obviously Agility has been touted as the best thing to train to make contact better with your weapon. (your "to hit") But what extent does Charisma play in making critters defenses overwhelmed easier by the penalty you oppose on them? I wish there would be a way to test this.
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Charisma does help- though it helps the trader more.
Often if I'm trader-less I will cast Vigil before I start selling the old-fashioned way, and I've noticed I get more coin per gem.
Ryeka
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Often if I'm trader-less I will cast Vigil before I start selling the old-fashioned way, and I've noticed I get more coin per gem.
Ryeka
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Though I've found that the effect tops off after a while (i.e. it's an exponential increase) . Basically, you see a far greater effect at low charisma (say ~15) than at higher charisma (say ~30).
Under 30 charisma, you might want to add a few points. Over that, I'd stop and considerate more. If you only want to gain extra coin from selling gems, I'd say stop. But charisma does help in a wide variety of other things.
I like Enots' idea for a vigil. That's cheap and easy to do regardless of the received benefit.
(Sidenote for traders: Traders get a natural bonus to selling gems and pouches that is based on their trading skill. Also, don't forget your speculate.)
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Under 30 charisma, you might want to add a few points. Over that, I'd stop and considerate more. If you only want to gain extra coin from selling gems, I'd say stop. But charisma does help in a wide variety of other things.
I like Enots' idea for a vigil. That's cheap and easy to do regardless of the received benefit.
(Sidenote for traders: Traders get a natural bonus to selling gems and pouches that is based on their trading skill. Also, don't forget your speculate.)
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Im a barbarian so Charisma does help my roars, but as of right now Ive kind of neglected my charisma in favor of other skills, like my mentals (that was fun as a toggie). So right now Im sitting at a whopping ten for charisma, my question is if at next circle I raise this to lets say 14 will I notice a significant increase in my raw gem selling amounts as a barbarian, or will it be like an extra bronze a gem?
B D Buuwl
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>>will I notice a significant increase in my raw gem selling amounts as a barbarian,
Not really. The boost seems to be a % so until you're sitting on pouches of rubies and diamonds from orcs you won't see much of a difference. Train charisma for roars, not for gems. As a rule of thumb charisma is fairly useless for non-Traders in getting shop discounts and more pawn value, etc.
>>or will it be like an extra bronze a gem?
More like a silver per pouch if you're at the level I think you are (sub-30).
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Not really. The boost seems to be a % so until you're sitting on pouches of rubies and diamonds from orcs you won't see much of a difference. Train charisma for roars, not for gems. As a rule of thumb charisma is fairly useless for non-Traders in getting shop discounts and more pawn value, etc.
>>or will it be like an extra bronze a gem?
More like a silver per pouch if you're at the level I think you are (sub-30).
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so i did a little experiment, I went form charisma 10 to charisma 11, and Ive noticed about 1-3 coppers per gem improvement. Note Im a barbarian, and this wasnt an exact experiment, although the gems that were going for 296-297 a piece are now going for 297-300 a piece and so on and so forth. So maybe charisma helps a touch to non traders, but like you said its very very minimal
B D Buuwl
B D Buuwl
>>will I notice a significant increase in my raw gem selling amounts as a barbarian,
<<Not really. The boost seems to be a % so until you're sitting on pouches of rubies and diamonds from orcs you won't see much of a difference. Train charisma for roars, not for gems. As a rule of thumb charisma is fairly useless for non-Traders in getting shop discounts and more pawn value, etc.>>
Also, gem prices must be based on base charisma or some charisma boosts do not apply to selling. I am thinking berserk nightmare is a decent charisma boost from the difference I see in my roars, but it doesn't change gem prices.
I tested a wide price range of gems from 109 all the way up to 1.5 plat+ and not a single copper difference.
<<Not really. The boost seems to be a % so until you're sitting on pouches of rubies and diamonds from orcs you won't see much of a difference. Train charisma for roars, not for gems. As a rule of thumb charisma is fairly useless for non-Traders in getting shop discounts and more pawn value, etc.>>
Also, gem prices must be based on base charisma or some charisma boosts do not apply to selling. I am thinking berserk nightmare is a decent charisma boost from the difference I see in my roars, but it doesn't change gem prices.
I tested a wide price range of gems from 109 all the way up to 1.5 plat+ and not a single copper difference.
I found that Bluff Amaze did not increase a gem pouch sale, despite giving a concrete charisma boost, so I think you're right on the base charisma theory. Boo, I say.
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The key to getting more coin for your gems is to get more gems... :) Don't worry about any bonus from charisma, I find it's often a LOT faster to sell the gems I've got on my own and get back to collecting more, than it is to wait on a trader to sell them for me...
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<<The key to getting more coin for your gems is to get more gems... :) Don't worry about any bonus from charisma, I find it's often a LOT faster to sell the gems I've got on my own and get back to collecting more, than it is to wait on a trader to sell them for me...>>
There are no traders on Aersy, that is why I tested the charisma bonus i had, It would of been worth it, even if I got an extra copper or 2 per gem, but alas, no luck....and once you hit that 500 inv limit yer done! :/ Of course I could tie my pouches and then HAVE to get a trader, that would be way worse in Aersy heh.
There are no traders on Aersy, that is why I tested the charisma bonus i had, It would of been worth it, even if I got an extra copper or 2 per gem, but alas, no luck....and once you hit that 500 inv limit yer done! :/ Of course I could tie my pouches and then HAVE to get a trader, that would be way worse in Aersy heh.
I go on a selling run whenever any ONE of the following conditions exist-
I need healing- might as well sell what gems I have while I'm getting healed
I have a full bundle- I've played with carrying multiple bundles, but don't care for it, so whenever I fill a bundle I also sell whatever gems I'm carrying
I have over 400 items- I have a vault for extra stuff that I don't use or wear, so typically I'm under 100 items when I begin combat, so as soon as I do an Inv Check and the result is "You are carrying between 400 and... I go sell off 300 plus gems.
I'm encumbered at all- I refuse to do combat with any sort of burden, so if in the process of looting after each kill, bundling whatever skin I have, I find myself with a light burden, I go on a healing/selling run.
Of course, depending on where you hunt on Aesry, you have to deal with the climb, but I've found that while traders can get good bonuses for selling pouches, they also expect compensation for the service they provide, which then negates the bonus, and therefore, selling gems on your own schedule will allow you to gain wealth much quicker on a much more consistent basis.
Time is not your enemy- I am.
I need healing- might as well sell what gems I have while I'm getting healed
I have a full bundle- I've played with carrying multiple bundles, but don't care for it, so whenever I fill a bundle I also sell whatever gems I'm carrying
I have over 400 items- I have a vault for extra stuff that I don't use or wear, so typically I'm under 100 items when I begin combat, so as soon as I do an Inv Check and the result is "You are carrying between 400 and... I go sell off 300 plus gems.
I'm encumbered at all- I refuse to do combat with any sort of burden, so if in the process of looting after each kill, bundling whatever skin I have, I find myself with a light burden, I go on a healing/selling run.
Of course, depending on where you hunt on Aesry, you have to deal with the climb, but I've found that while traders can get good bonuses for selling pouches, they also expect compensation for the service they provide, which then negates the bonus, and therefore, selling gems on your own schedule will allow you to gain wealth much quicker on a much more consistent basis.
Time is not your enemy- I am.
>>I've found that while traders can get good bonuses for selling pouches, they also expect compensation for the service they provide, which then negates the bonus, and therefore, selling gems on your own schedule will allow you to gain wealth much quicker on a much more consistent basis.
Well, true, but a good trader won't negate the bonus you get from using a trader to sell. That would remove the incentive to do business with them. Rather, they skim a bit off the top as payment.
It's like Sam's Club or Costco. They mark the items up over the prices they pay for them from the manufacturer, but it's still cheaper for you than other stores. It's a net gain for both parties.
~Kashik
Well, true, but a good trader won't negate the bonus you get from using a trader to sell. That would remove the incentive to do business with them. Rather, they skim a bit off the top as payment.
It's like Sam's Club or Costco. They mark the items up over the prices they pay for them from the manufacturer, but it's still cheaper for you than other stores. It's a net gain for both parties.
~Kashik
Personally, I use the Trader for convenience, not for profit. I figure whatever difference s/he would make by selling my pouches for me should roughly equal the amount of the tip.
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>Well, true, but a good trader won't negate the bonus you get from using a trader to sell. That would remove the incentive to do business with them. Rather, they skim a bit off the top as payment.
ALOT of traders DO NOT SKIM. Please reread that a few times, Some of them, me included, give the customer the full amount and accept a tip when we're done. If they don't tip, I'm ok with that because if they're that hard up then I probably would decline anyways. Typically I decline tips from PC's that appear to have just started playing(based on what they wear) or certain guilds(like empaths, assuming they're wearing a title). I can certainly make more money running routes than I could skimming off of 1-5 plat pouches(and my rep is more important to me anyways). By the way, a 50th circle trader can get you a good bonus, as much as 40% per pouch. If you were to tip 10% of the value of the pouch you'd still be making 30% more than selling by yourself.
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ALOT of traders DO NOT SKIM. Please reread that a few times, Some of them, me included, give the customer the full amount and accept a tip when we're done. If they don't tip, I'm ok with that because if they're that hard up then I probably would decline anyways. Typically I decline tips from PC's that appear to have just started playing(based on what they wear) or certain guilds(like empaths, assuming they're wearing a title). I can certainly make more money running routes than I could skimming off of 1-5 plat pouches(and my rep is more important to me anyways). By the way, a 50th circle trader can get you a good bonus, as much as 40% per pouch. If you were to tip 10% of the value of the pouch you'd still be making 30% more than selling by yourself.
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I worried about Traders skimming at one time for about 5 minutes...and then left my worries behind. I usually appraise my pouches before I give them to the trader, and as long as I get back more than my appraisal value, I am ahead of the game. I tend to give about 5 gold as appreciation for the service provided, which I consider fair value for the time put into it. Both I and the Trader come out ahead, which is the way it should be.
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I always (well I never use traders in Aersy so let me rephrase that) I used to appraise my pouches before they sold and subtracted the difference from what I got back. (only 1 time ever I can think of getting less back) And then splitting the profit 50/50 Depending on the amount of pouches I had the tip could of been anywhere from 2-3 gold to 5 plats.
I want to say I read somewhere that both Intel and Charisma factor fairly significantly in some matters of stealth and perception, but I don't remember where I saw that or which stat helps which skill. Does anyone have some facts on this?
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It's intel and wis for perception. There might be links to the gms posts on the wiki.
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>I think SvSp and SvW alone make it worthwhile. That's me though.
Granted, I don't deal with SvSp, but... every stat is used in spell calcs somewhere, that's not really a compelling argument. I can win a SvW contest with anything in the game with 55 charisma, so I'm also not really compelled to train it for that reason.
I mean, it's my lowest stat, as a gnome:
Strength : 70 Reflex : 99
Agility : 99 Charisma : 55
Discipline : 99 Wisdom : 99
Intelligence : 99 Stamina : 62
Granted, I don't deal with SvSp, but... every stat is used in spell calcs somewhere, that's not really a compelling argument. I can win a SvW contest with anything in the game with 55 charisma, so I'm also not really compelled to train it for that reason.
I mean, it's my lowest stat, as a gnome:
Strength : 70 Reflex : 99
Agility : 99 Charisma : 55
Discipline : 99 Wisdom : 99
Intelligence : 99 Stamina : 62
