Strength : 30 Reflex : 45
Agility : 40 Charisma : 40
Discipline : 55 Wisdom : 40
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 30

88th moonard. Which stat should I bump up next? I usually train them in chunks of 5 points. Advise me, oh wise forum folk.

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Rev. Reene

"Shard by shard she rearranges the world.
It looks the same, she says, but it is not.
It looks as they expect, but it is not."

If you're into combat, you might want to train or save TDPs for stamina in anticipation for the combat changes, just in case.

If you expect to deal with melee combat, bump up stamina. Otherwise, I would suggest the mentals.

Ryeka


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

Reene do discipline to 70th, i would make it a goal to have 70th by 105th circle.

>Would I get a lot more out of 35 stamina under the current system?

Depends on how you define a lot more. Cleric is sitting at.. 25 stam I think, and has been since 20th (94th atm); hunting bristles/gryphons without issue. So no, I don't think it's overly important under the current system at least through bristle level.

>94th Cleric is sitting at.. 25 stam I think

Wow. Is it common to have around that much stamina at that level?

Maybe I am weird. Nitish had 60 stamina.

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Formerly Known As Nitish

>Alisyn edges away from you.

>Personally I'd rate stats like this:

>reflex, agility, discipline, strength, intelligence, stamina, wisdom, charisma

>But this probably has a lot to do with how I train.

That's about how I looked at it on my MM except for the Strength.

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Formerly Known As Nitish

>Alisyn edges away from you.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE DOUBLE THE STRENGTH OF YOUR REFLEX YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


~Arwinia

http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivational/target262.html

It really depends on what your intentions are for your character and how you personally value those intentions over others.

- Simon

<<It really depends on what your intentions are for your character and how you personally value those intentions over others.

No doubt. However, a good discussion on attributes helps me understand them better and how I rate them from my internal perspective. Not to mention the fact that I continually discover things I simply did not know prior about attributes when we start getting in the weeds on some of these things.

Madigan

As true as this is, I've always held Elanthia's ultimate end will shortly follow after either an "Oops." or a "Hey, that's neat." from within a Moon Mage guild.

Nice chart Hanryu. You have charisma low (as most do), paladins use it much more. However, what perceived value do you see in charisma at this point? I can think of the following:

1. WvW
2. Adjudication when charged.
3. Price breaks.
4. Paladin mojo.

I perceive #1 as significant (#4 significant for paladins up to about 30) and the others not so much.


Madigan

As true as this is, I've always held Elanthia's ultimate end will shortly follow after either an "Oops." or a "Hey, that's neat." from within a Moon Mage guild.

FWIW, Ryeka (circle 70 elf cleric) has 35 in all stats except strength, which is 33.

Below are the stats for a circle 63 gnome trader:

Strength : 21 Reflex : 35

Agility : 34 Charisma : 32

Discipline : 31 Wisdom : 31

Intelligence : 35 Stamina : 27

Have fun!


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

From my clerics perspective:

reflex (even though it's by no means my highest stat, it's important to defenses)
disc
int
wisd
char
agility
strength
stamina

int/wisd/char get pushed up the list b/c of exp and SvW/SvSp contests.

From my rangers perspective:

disc
reflex
agil
int
wisd
stam
stre
char

I like Hanryu's table. Here's mine:

By TDP cost	By value
Dis	Cha
Cha	Dis
Wis/Int	Wis/Int/Ref/Agi
Ref/Agi	Sta
Sta	Str
Str

Sometimes I wish I didn't roll an elf.

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So charisma still isn't that useful I guess. It would help make up for my lower(ish) discipline for WvW, but that's about it.

Reflex is definitely an option though. I just raised it to 45, I could bump it up to 50...

Blah I hate making these decisions.

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Rev. Reene

"Shard by shard she rearranges the world.
It looks the same, she says, but it is not.
It looks as they expect, but it is not."

Simon - Like I said, I do not train Charisma hardly ever.. it is still my lowest stat at 14 lol, I was just curious about that since I thought I recalled those posts somewhere.

Evran - Thanks for that piece of info.. you are right about swarm tactics not exactly being player's preferred lol.. just glad to see someone besides me remembered something about it being in the MO equations.. just seems I was misremembering where heh..

Anywhos.. now to see if someone knows about the Fir Fam bit.. I think it was their chance to drag being affected was what I read.. but I could be off, been a LONG night at work lol.

>>Simon - Like I said, I do not train Charisma hardly ever.. it is still my lowest stat at 14 lol, I was just curious about that since I thought I recalled those posts somewhere.


This is just silly IMO. Every Spell contest uses Charisma on the caster side. WvW and SvSp spells rely on charisma for the target's contest. Your spirit health is going to be really low. Your familiar will NEVER drag you with charisma that low. As far as that is concerned IIRC it's around 30 charisma that they start to drag.

- This is just silly IMO. Every Spell contest uses Charisma on the caster side. WvW and SvSp spells rely on charisma for the target's contest. Your spirit health is going to be really low. Your familiar will NEVER drag you with charisma that low. As far as that is concerned IIRC it's around 30 charisma that they start to drag. -


And this is the sort of information I was looking for, a reason to actually train it, even if just some. The spell contests can be dealt with with other stats, I know, cause I mess around and have tested those. The Spirit health is not an issue either since I rarely wait for a raise (I play at very very off peak hours usually, and trying to wait on a drag or a raise from anywhere I hunt = massive wait time lol). The Familiar Drag is what I was curious about. I was not sure it was something that actually was true or was just something that someone thought was true when they posted. Thank you.. guess since I have hit a decent stopping point with my physical stats, and and ok point with my mentals (though I will keep taking those up a lil here and there too) I will start dedicating some effort to taking Charisma up as well... just glad I do not get a penalty to it, so I can do so with the least amount of effort lol.

If by "almost convinced" you mean "They're wrong because they're for an older version of magic and the elanthipedia page that supplied them even says they're wrong".

We do not have, as general knowledge, the actual current stat contensts in spells. However people have peiced it together from a lot of stray GM comments that most of the stats in those formulas are still relivant.

Also I'm willing to bet Charisma crops up in a lot of random formulas to a small degree. It seems like DR likes to treat it as their "luck" stat or something. Dunno. It's fairly ill defined. But then again so is int vs wis IMHO.

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Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."

Sorry, I phrased that poorly.

I don't mean "charisma makes you lucky".

I mean "it's that stat that some games have that isn't really the basis for much but seems to tie in as a minor component to almost everything".

Fallout is a good example of a game that does this, but really almost any game that has a Luck stat tends to treat it similiarly.

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Dartenian says, "The thing that makes Dragon Dance king is that it pretty much bonuses every single that can possibly be buffed for combat. Including at least two things that don't even exist."