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What is the best way to train mech at 250-300?
The catch is not including a pyramid or scraping hides.
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Braiding, but because you've already got 200+ you're going to have issues with getting it going. Go for vines if you can forage them or otherwise have them procured, and you may want to devise a system where you always have a few braided vines around so you don't spend lots of time at the shorter end of the ropes where you're not going to learn very well.
Barring that, go with origami. Aside from listening to a class, those are the two best mobile ways to learn them.
After those will come the various carving systems--fletching, beads, burins...and staves if they still teach (most likely they won't).
Finally, there are the ML-secondary/tertiary systems where ML is just a sidenote. Fishing, scraping, various enchanting stuff (I think), shifting (if you're an empath), and so on.
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Barring that, go with origami. Aside from listening to a class, those are the two best mobile ways to learn them.
After those will come the various carving systems--fletching, beads, burins...and staves if they still teach (most likely they won't).
Finally, there are the ML-secondary/tertiary systems where ML is just a sidenote. Fishing, scraping, various enchanting stuff (I think), shifting (if you're an empath), and so on.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
Thanks for the info, I will try braiding vines when I get a chance, I tried fletching arrows but that took approx. 20 min to get to bewildered using yew sticks (I am lore tert)
Scraping has been my main source of mech experience but I want to find something that works without having hides\pelts.
(funny thats secondary exp)
<<devise a system where you always have a few braided vines around so you don't spend lots of time at the shorter end of the ropes where you're not going to learn very well.>>
Does this mean you learn more the longer it gets? Or does it mean you learn more while braiding a lead rope vs. a bundling rope?
<<beads, burins...and staves>>
How do you make these? Do they teach better than fletching?
Never tried fishing for Mech or foraging, any ideas how good they teach for either?
Thank you again.
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
Scraping has been my main source of mech experience but I want to find something that works without having hides\pelts.
(funny thats secondary exp)
<<devise a system where you always have a few braided vines around so you don't spend lots of time at the shorter end of the ropes where you're not going to learn very well.>>
Does this mean you learn more the longer it gets? Or does it mean you learn more while braiding a lead rope vs. a bundling rope?
<<beads, burins...and staves>>
How do you make these? Do they teach better than fletching?
Never tried fishing for Mech or foraging, any ideas how good they teach for either?
Thank you again.
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
Origami is the best thing out there that I have found to train Mech Lore. I use it in a script combo that I created for my characters.
It'll fold the pattern I have in my scrip, once mind locked in mech, it will switch to using the Anatomy Charts to then mind lock scholarship and first aid.
I have no troubles at all mind locking within 5 pieces of paper. This is with 215+ in mech lore.
I'm not sure what your mech lore is at, or your scholarship.
Origami takes into consideration your Agility/Intelligence, and Mech and Scholarship. And it does wonders to work mech lore. Envelopes don't weigh much at all (a few stones) and don't cost to much. If you get the 100 count of white paper, not the colored paper.
I hope that helps some.
And you can wear the envelope on your belt also.
Ramis and his brood.
It'll fold the pattern I have in my scrip, once mind locked in mech, it will switch to using the Anatomy Charts to then mind lock scholarship and first aid.
I have no troubles at all mind locking within 5 pieces of paper. This is with 215+ in mech lore.
I'm not sure what your mech lore is at, or your scholarship.
Origami takes into consideration your Agility/Intelligence, and Mech and Scholarship. And it does wonders to work mech lore. Envelopes don't weigh much at all (a few stones) and don't cost to much. If you get the 100 count of white paper, not the colored paper.
I hope that helps some.
And you can wear the envelope on your belt also.
Ramis and his brood.
They do sell it on Aesry. Use this site to determine what you need to fold. Depending on what it suggests you may need to go elsewhere to get the instructions. This would only be a one time trip though. Or someone might have an old one to sell you.
http://www.wiztrigger.com/origami.html
http://www.wiztrigger.com/origami.html
Thanks for the information, I looked up on the site and entered my stats/skills.
I can do the first fold up to the silverfish, but my mech lets me do up to the Gryphon(+2) with eyes closed, or the Cat(+3) Sticky. Does this mean I should attempt to raise my scholarship before I try to use origami for learning mech, or will the "eyes closed" stuff still teach?
Thanks
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I can do the first fold up to the silverfish, but my mech lets me do up to the Gryphon(+2) with eyes closed, or the Cat(+3) Sticky. Does this mean I should attempt to raise my scholarship before I try to use origami for learning mech, or will the "eyes closed" stuff still teach?
Thanks
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<<I can do the first fold up to the silverfish, but my mech lets me do up to the Gryphon(+2) with eyes closed, or the Cat(+3) Sticky. Does this mean I should attempt to raise my scholarship before I try to use origami for learning mech, or will the "eyes closed" stuff still teach?
My Cleric folds bird which is eyes closed for him and he still learns great. Same thing with my Ranger, he folds jackal with eyes closed and learns great. In both cases the next step up is "probably". I've never had any luck completely folds that were "probably" or "sticky". "Pretty sure" and "eyes closed" I've never had a problem. The best thing is to try the silverfish. If that doesn't move mech very well grab a compendium and try to increase scholarship, or increase intelligence.
My Cleric folds bird which is eyes closed for him and he still learns great. Same thing with my Ranger, he folds jackal with eyes closed and learns great. In both cases the next step up is "probably". I've never had any luck completely folds that were "probably" or "sticky". "Pretty sure" and "eyes closed" I've never had a problem. The best thing is to try the silverfish. If that doesn't move mech very well grab a compendium and try to increase scholarship, or increase intelligence.
ok, hopefully this is the last origami questions...I see I can get instructions from Aersy or Ratha which is good, but what is a primer, and is a "case" work like an envelope, or do you have to go somewhere to get an envelope?
Thanks
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
Thanks
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
A primer has basic instructions (for the player) on how origami works. It also has some (6?) instructions for things that you can fold. I can't remember which ones, and I don't have one on me. A case is to store your completed product if you want to keep them. So if you dispose of them like the average person you don't need one. Envelopes contain paper. It is better than buying sheets indivudually because a)its cheaper per sheet, and b) its easier. You pull the envelopes to get the paper out. Make sure you buy plain paper. I believe on Aesry you can only get plain paper, and Ratha you can only get colored paper. So you want to buy paper on Aesry. Some instructions are only found at certain origami shops. There are shops in Aesry, Ratha, Mriss, and Leth. I'm not sure if there is any available in Forfedhdar.
<<<<devise a system where you always have a few braided vines around so you don't spend lots of time at the shorter end of the ropes where you're not going to learn very well.>>
<<Does this mean you learn more the longer it gets? Or does it mean you learn more while braiding a lead rope vs. a bundling rope?
Every time you add a piece of grass the difficulty of braiding ramps up slightly. What this means is, depending on your mech lore, it may take several pieces of added grass to begin to teach you well, so the first several rounds of braiding may not teach well at all. Whether its worth doing depends on your patience/tolerance for doing something that gains relatively nothing in and of itself but sets you up for good training eventually. At high ranks of mech, I've heard it take quite a while to get to a point where braiding starts to teach well.
-Evran
<<It is important to remember that the one single and solitary common thing that is shared by the myraid of things that annoy you and tick you off and make you upset...is you. --Solomon
<<Does this mean you learn more the longer it gets? Or does it mean you learn more while braiding a lead rope vs. a bundling rope?
Every time you add a piece of grass the difficulty of braiding ramps up slightly. What this means is, depending on your mech lore, it may take several pieces of added grass to begin to teach you well, so the first several rounds of braiding may not teach well at all. Whether its worth doing depends on your patience/tolerance for doing something that gains relatively nothing in and of itself but sets you up for good training eventually. At high ranks of mech, I've heard it take quite a while to get to a point where braiding starts to teach well.
-Evran
<<It is important to remember that the one single and solitary common thing that is shared by the myraid of things that annoy you and tick you off and make you upset...is you. --Solomon
well, I definately have to train more scholarship before this will be worth it. 290 mech vs 104 scholar isn't cutting it....just wasting my money! I figure I will have to get to at least 126 scholar to try the next level up (Silverfish) (I thought I had more intel at first heheh...go figure) But I am thinking I will need atleast 150+ to get 2 levels up before this will be worth it. Too bad the medallion is not available on Aersy or Ratha.
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
Inner peace, through outer violence.
Experts: www.robsonforensic.com
I looked for the primer I was sure my Cleric had, and actually found it. Medallion is on of the instructions on the primer.
Origami is the ancient art of paper folding. Originally a Rissan religious practice, this art has spread throughout Elanthia, giving pleasure to all cultures. Any individual, from the youngest just learning simple folding techniques to the most experienced practitioner, can enjoy this craft and progressively learn to make delightful figures of increasing difficulty. The only requirements one must possess to find success and satisfaction with origami are patience, a good set of instructions and finely made, carefully cut and squared origami paper.
The recommended procedure is to choose a piece of origami paper, then look over the instructions. Read them through to get some idea of how difficult the project will be. It is not recommended that beginners attempt the more difficult projects, as this results only in frustration and the waste of good paper.
When you have decided upon a project, study the instructions carefully, and begin to fold the paper. Continue folding until the project is completed, or until you have made a mistake; if a mistake is made, the only recourse is to discard the ruined paper and try again.
This book contains instructions for five figures, and covers a wide range of difficulty, from beginner to more advanced patterns. They are, in order of difficulty:
a hat
a star
a flower
a fish
a medallion
To see how to make any of these figures simply read the instructions for that figure.
Origami is the ancient art of paper folding. Originally a Rissan religious practice, this art has spread throughout Elanthia, giving pleasure to all cultures. Any individual, from the youngest just learning simple folding techniques to the most experienced practitioner, can enjoy this craft and progressively learn to make delightful figures of increasing difficulty. The only requirements one must possess to find success and satisfaction with origami are patience, a good set of instructions and finely made, carefully cut and squared origami paper.
The recommended procedure is to choose a piece of origami paper, then look over the instructions. Read them through to get some idea of how difficult the project will be. It is not recommended that beginners attempt the more difficult projects, as this results only in frustration and the waste of good paper.
When you have decided upon a project, study the instructions carefully, and begin to fold the paper. Continue folding until the project is completed, or until you have made a mistake; if a mistake is made, the only recourse is to discard the ruined paper and try again.
This book contains instructions for five figures, and covers a wide range of difficulty, from beginner to more advanced patterns. They are, in order of difficulty:
a hat
a star
a flower
a fish
a medallion
To see how to make any of these figures simply read the instructions for that figure.
You can get someone else to do the first fold for you until you bring your scholarship/intel up to par with your mech.
~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
Keeper of the CEC
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
Keeper of the CEC
http://www.kynevon.info/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
