At lower circles, if you spend too many TDPs, you are penalized and will not receive the full amount of TDPs upon your next circle. Or something like that.

My concern: I just made 33rd circle a few days ago, I train every weapon and consequently have a lot of TDPs. Is it possible for me to trigger the known reaction from spending too many TDPs at lower circles at my current circle and ultimately, be penalized when I circle to 34th by not receiving my full amount of 34th circle TDPs?

Thanks.

>> Totenus is screwed though.

poor tater tote. :(

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>So is it best to horde tdps at low circles?

In some cases, yes. It will slow your advancement though, so it may not be worth it unless you really know what you're doing.

Why is this even there? If you spent the time to earn the TDPs via Ranks, why be knocked down for it?

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I can't seem to find it now, but I remember reading that you only get less TDPs when circling if the average of all your stats is greater than, or possibly greater than or equal to, the circle you end up at. Also, I believe the average is rounded down, so an average of 20.5 is the same as an average of 20.

So, if you're advancing to circle 20 and the average of your stats is either less than 20 or 21 you will get 120 TDPs, and if it is equal to 20/21 you will get 70 TDPs.


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>>I can't seem to find it now, but I remember reading that you only get less TDPs when circling if the average of all your stats is greater than, or possibly greater than or equal to, the circle you end up at. Also, I believe the average is rounded down, so an average of 20.5 is the same as an average of 20.

This is a good guideline, but not true. I had stats that averaged 13 when I circled to 11th and 12th, and both times I gained full tdps (although not at 10th).

It may have something to do with how many TDPs you actually spent -- I spent the minimum amount for my race to get to average 13.

And as someone who has done this TDP hoarding recently, I can say that it's definitely doable but a little bit annoying. Especially the low fatigue. Avoid weapons like light edged (go for 2HE, which paradoxically tends to keep you less tired). I got to 15th and spent a bunch, now I'm backtraining some weapons before making the push to 20th, when I'll be glad to spend my TDPs as soon as I get them.

- Player of Niieth

At worst you lose out on a couple hundred tdps, which is basically nothing in the long term.

I am --- Navak

I tested this extensively and posted my findings in this folder I believe. Your stat average rounded down has to be less than or equal to the circle that you're training up. Therefore, with a new character (stat average of 10), the soonest you can get 100 TDP's per circle is 10th circle. The easiest way to achieve this is to train any stat or combination of stats 7 times between circles 0-9 (Stat average would be 10.875). After reaching 10th (and getting 110 TDP's), you can train 8 times, then reach 11th, 8 more times... etc. Its not that difficult to do if you're training hard as most professions are just getting to or finishing up goblins at that point. The extra 200-400 TDP's can be a big help.

I'll still argue that this should be done away with and players shouldn't be penalized TDP's for efficient training regimens. Even mutant commoners.

Roger

>>I'll still argue that this should be done away with and players shouldn't be penalized TDP's for efficient training regimens. Even mutant commoners.

One single skill generates 10,005 TDPs all by itself (provided you can take it to 2000 ranks, which is the rank cap that the GMs will never go past except in theoretical terms). We have like 61 skills that anyone has the ability to train regardless of guild, and there are 4 or 5 guild-restricted skills. On top of that, we will be converting one of those all-guild skills into at least 7 different skills (more, maybe). All told, we will have the potential to get more than 700,000 TDPs. That is, if Ssra cannot figure out ways to spend them on and is unwilling to nerf the TDP formula down to something a lot more reasonable until he does.

Complaining about a loss of a few hundred TDPs early on is like complaining about your leaky roof when only six small drops of water landed on it.

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Ahem, how many days did it take you to get anywhere close to the top level?


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>I think it's more a philosophical thing. You, generally speaking, shouldn't penalize a player for improving any aspect of their character's stats or skills.

Agreed. This is also why I don't like certain debuffs nerfing exp while others don't.

>Or is it the same penalty (average of stats lower than circle) So I would need 45 in every stat to get penalized (which would never happen anyway)?

This. Past about circle 20 it won't be an issue unless your name is Totenus.

After circle 100 it would be impossible to not get the bonus, of course you'd have to work really hard to keep your stat average higher than your circle that long

>Cleaving to this stance makes you an intentional misinformation-spreader like you all accuse me of being, and it hurts the gaming community when you do so.

Given that you're the only one who claims otherwise, I can understand why he would be skeptical. I'm skeptical myself. I tested it extensively before, and it certain was based on stat average, from what I could tell. I'm working on verifying this right now myself.

This is a reply to an old post, but can anyone confirm if the Penalty to Gaining TDPs when your avg stat is greater then your level is still there? I'm about to roll up a new Barbie and am very curious. To see the original discussion, it was back in post range 1845-1870 or so.

Thanks

>>There's absolutely no reason for not spending your TDPs, from a TDPs per circle perspective, though you'll want to pay attention to which stats you spend them on.<<

I disagree with this statement, though there is a caveat. Depending on race and guild, it is entirely possible to circle without spending tdp's, picking up 100 tdp's per circle starting at 10th. The issue is survivability at lower levels without spending tdp's. You may elect to listen to a LOT of classes...

If you raise your stat average above your circle, you will continue to receive only 50 tdp's per circle. For most people, if you spend your tdp's as you go, you will start to gain 100 tdp's per circle plus 1 tdp per circle at around 17th, having received only 50 tdp's per circle up to that point.

If you hoard you tdp's (which I do on every character I've played for the past 4 or 5 years) that could be a difference of 350 extra tdp's between 10th and 17th circles (7 X 50, or 700 tdp's for 7 circles, vice 350 for 7).

In one of my latest experiments with a gnome barbarian, I had over 4000 tdp's before I joined the guild and didn't run out of excess tdp's until 28th circle. There was 1 circle at 21st where I did not receive 100 tdp's per circle because I had raised strength and stamina to 20 each and this skewed the "weighted" average of my stats vs. circle.

Very possibly, I gained an extra 800 tdp's just from circling and gaining 100 tdp's vice 50 tdp's for each circle.

Current stats for my 45th circle gnome barbarian are:

Strength : 21 Reflex : 46
Agility : 37 Charisma : 31
Discipline : 31 Wisdom : 31
Intelligence : 46 Stamina : 24

Keep in mind, that this character is in TF, however I'm currently doing the same thing with another character in prime. That experiment is nowhere near as far along... yet.


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Ouch, good point I did.

>>You still talking about only your gnome barbarian here, or making a blanket statement for all race/guild combos? The latter is totally wrong, if that's what you were referring to.

Also, how are you accounting for the weighting?<<

Who am I talking about? I've used this method of hoarding tdp's on all characters I've created for the last 5 years, so that would include the following:

Gnome thief
Elothean moonie
Gnome moonie
Human warmage
Kaldar paladin
Dwarf empath
Kaldar barbarian
Halfling thief

and probably a few others that I've forgotten along the way. I don't really care about "weighting". I only care about what I've found to be true. I've found that 99 percent of the time, keeping your stat average below your circle will result in 100 tdp's per circle. Raising your stat average above your circle will result in only 50 tdp's per circle. Yes, I've tested this after I received 100 tdp's for a circle and dropped down to 50 for the next circle, and then back up to 100 when the stat average was below my circle again. It's not perfect, but it is the closest thing to fact that we have. Your theory on weighted stat average is only that... a theory. It sounds good, and it may indeed be true, but for you to say to the OP that saving your tdp's doesn't provide you with any benefit... THAT is clearly false.


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For what it's worth, I just started hitting 100 TDPs a circle on my Prydaen Barbarian over in Plat. However I trained what appealed to me and didn't pay much attention to my average.

>>It seems like the circle vs. stat average is a relic from when everyone didn't roll perfect 80's not so long ago.

There is this. My guy was rolled way before the perfect rolls started.