The overall mana levels I've observed have gone up slightly from before. Especially in the lower mana rooms which I think is a result of the stated change to low mana rooms.

Some concrete numbers for low mana rooms- in Prime on the Ratha green I sense hazy elemental streams with 255 PP. I can chant Faenella's Grace at around 12 mana and maintain it. Higher than that I eventually run out of attunement.

In the test server I sense dull streams. I can chant Faenella's Grace at 18 or 19 mana and maintain it. Its a very noticeable and very welcome change.

In higher mana rooms, my ability to maintain enchantes hasn't improved much if at all. At most 1 more mana song invested, but I think the differences I noted at this level may be more related to the timing of the enchante pulses relative to the attunement regen pulses than anything else. If they line up at the right time I can compensate from the higher start-up cost better than if they don't line up well.

Overall, I think the intended effect is happening insofar as they apply to my characters. More consistant mana levels and an easier time with low mana rooms. I can't speak to the aim of providing benefit to those with over 540 PP since I don't have a room based user at that level.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

<<Glowing isn't guaranteed to be the 'same' for each mana level because the ranges are different (i.e. smaller and smaller) as you go up. I.E. for the lowbies it's just akin to saying 'bad, normal, good' for mana.

So for example using made up numbers is it:

1. Weak senses can sense mana level 1 to 5 so glowing is mana level 3 or so. Normal senses can sense mana levels 1 to 20 so glowing is about mana level 10 or so?

Or is it what I was trying to say before (badly it seems):

2. Weak senses can sense mana level 1 to 20 so glowing is somewhere between 6 and 13 for them since thats as precise as they can get. Normal senses can sense mana levels 1 to 20 so glowing is mana level 10 for them since they can tell more precisely?

Basically are the ranges relative to skill or fixed?

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

Yes I know that. Its in his post as well. But it doesn't state what those power levels represent relative to eachother. That is what I'm asking. What do each of the levels sensed by a weak senses mage translate to when compared to a normal senses mage? And so on.

If its a one to one relationship there's gonna be a lot of confused people when they hit 20 ranks or so and suddenly their third level 'bright' mana starts messaging as developing senses since what they normally perceive as second level 'glowing' is now the third level under developing senses.

I get the feeling I'm not communicating what I'm trying to say very well... table to the rescue!

Is it something like this?

Weak	Developing	Improving	Normal
			faint
		faint	dim
	faint		hazy
		hazy	dull
dim			muted
		flickering	dusky
	muted		pale
		shimmering	flickering
			shimmering
glowing		glowing	pulsating
	glowing		glowing
		lambent	lambent
			shining
		shining	luminous
	luminous		radiant
			fulgent
		fulgent	brilliant
bright			flaring
	bright		glaring
		glaring	blazing
			blinding

Or like this?

Weak	Developing	Improving	Normal
dim	faint	faint	faint
glowing	muted	hazy	dim
bright	glowing	flickering	hazy
	luminous	shimmering	dull
	bright	glowing	muted
		lambent	dusky
		shining	pale
		fulgent	flickering
		glaring	shimmering
			pulsating
			glowing
			lambent
			shining
			luminous
			radiant
			fulgent
			brilliant
			flaring
			glaring
			blazing
			blinding

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

its gonna take a while with all the changes for me to fix the scripts but good changes none the less.


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I'd like to chime in with the "Please don't switch the bard messaging back to how it currently is in Prime" group. It's much more intuitive this way.

As for us "hearing" the mana, I've never really liked that idea. I guess I don't really like the idea of other guilds "seeing" mana, either. I've always thought of it as a sixth sense beyond both hearing and seeing, so I guess I just think "sense" would be a better verb for all guilds perceiving magic. That's just my random opinion, though.


-=Issus=-

<<Some people mix up their senses in real life, it kind of makes sense.

Yup, this stuff is kinda neat. People see or hear or smell numbers. Or they'll see sound as colour.

While in RL this isn't something that you can learn (see the link below,) I can certainly envision in a land of magic that people could be trained to see/hear those streams in various ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

>Those bardic messages were kind of hard to read though.

QFT.

I had to make a script to translate bard pp into "regular" pp so I could understand it.

The new messaging, even though its aural, seems MUCH easier to understand, which I appreciate.
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Wonderful. That clears a few things up for me. Thanks for the table.

I'm planning on doing a more thorough comparison of mana levels both in Prime and in Test as well as across skill and same-mana-type guild. This makes making sense of it all a bit easier.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

<<But anyway... I haven't had a chance to test this one yet, but I do like the basic concept of each guild sensing their mana differently, even if it's only a different color.

Speaking of which... my cleric and paladin both got 'golden Holy mana' when I was collecting the various mana messaging. Was there supposed to be a difference there like with the other same-mana guilds?

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386AV.

Did someone capture Z's table? I forget what format we use to save posts on the wiki, but that might be a good one to put there.

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>However, as this is currently in the "hush-hush" portion of keep it under your hat, I know you won't even think of putting it on the wiki until you can discuss with others, right?

I thought everyone could see these folders now?

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>>I didn't know this. I also didn't know that stuff in Test was supposed to be secret. Not like I've had time these days to broadcast it or anything but I'll be careful. It would have been nice if the first post by Solomon in the Test GM Announcements folder had explained some of this information.

Anything on the test server that is different from Prime/Plat/TF normal mechanics should be treated as secret unless you are directly told otherwise or see a GM posting about it on the regularly accessible boards.

From Zeyurn's post about the new PP system in the Testing Central GM Announcement's folder.

"This is Beta, which means we're kind of happy with it but want number feedback (very similar to Exp), we're not sure if we're happy with the exact values yet, so no sharing with non-Testers because we're not quite solid on things yet."

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