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meditate <burning item> fleet of foot
You gaze at a burning torch and see the vision of you nearing your enemies at a quicker and quicker pace until .... SNAP Your mind wakes from the vision and you feel your leg muscles strengthen in mass.
-Ability that causes you to move faster from missile to melee.
There's much to work on when talking about this. Feel free to dice it up.
-Ruf
Meditations! Nice slew of ideas, Ruf. Question is, what will be the downsides of meditation? Dances draw from inner fire. Berserk draw from inner fire, and you collapse (well, sometimes. Depends on when and how you beserk, anyhow...). Roars kill your throat. Do they draw on inner fire too?
Perhaps meditations will not only take a respectable amount of time (maybe a minute or two, or three?), but will draw some of your inner fire. Perhaps, instead of drawing from inner fire, or, taking a goodly amount of time, each meditation could have advantages and drawbacks within itself. For instance, the meditation that keeps you from falling keeps you from retreating too.
The Pok!
Perhaps meditations will not only take a respectable amount of time (maybe a minute or two, or three?), but will draw some of your inner fire. Perhaps, instead of drawing from inner fire, or, taking a goodly amount of time, each meditation could have advantages and drawbacks within itself. For instance, the meditation that keeps you from falling keeps you from retreating too.
The Pok!
>>Question is, what will be the downsides of meditation?
I don't seem most meditations as being something you can do in combat without considerable risk. If we continue to need to kneel or sit to meditate, that seems like drawback enough.
The times you mentioned actaully seem quite long when I think about what my moonmage can do out of combat with a couple of armbands. In one minute I can prep a max strength seer spell, give myself a healthy dose of shadows, and be fully recovered. Make that two minutes and you can add a nice CV and a maximum strength shear. Give me three minutes and I'll have time to drop a moonbeam and cast a contingency spell that will outlast all my other spells.
Paladins no long have (maybe this was just announced and not implemented yet) a major drawback to using thier abilities. There is a timer of sorts that won't let them use them constantly. My guess would be that we would have a similar sort of timer.
Grungy
I don't seem most meditations as being something you can do in combat without considerable risk. If we continue to need to kneel or sit to meditate, that seems like drawback enough.
The times you mentioned actaully seem quite long when I think about what my moonmage can do out of combat with a couple of armbands. In one minute I can prep a max strength seer spell, give myself a healthy dose of shadows, and be fully recovered. Make that two minutes and you can add a nice CV and a maximum strength shear. Give me three minutes and I'll have time to drop a moonbeam and cast a contingency spell that will outlast all my other spells.
Paladins no long have (maybe this was just announced and not implemented yet) a major drawback to using thier abilities. There is a timer of sorts that won't let them use them constantly. My guess would be that we would have a similar sort of timer.
Grungy
Meditate <item> fire
- Ability to regain your inner fire at a faster pace then killing creatures (positive side is that your gaining inner fire faster, downside is that you don't get to kill creatures so you don't get the experience to learning weapons/defenses/etc.)
Kneeling while in certain hunting grounds is a certain way to die. So I agree that it's already got that drawback. I also think when you meditate on a blade you should be focused on that section of the flame. What I'm suggesting is that meditations should block out all things around you.
Example:
>meditate torch fire
You gaze into the depths of the flame until you can focus on the inner portion of the blue stylized fire. You feel a warm connection sink into your mind and soul as you are one with the flame.
get scimitar
Your body tells you to move but your mind resists the urge as you remain focused on the flame.
SNAP You feel a sharp awakening sensation and are drawn back into reality. The aura around you feels brighter then ever as your mind and soul work as one.
Something along those lines.
The times you mentioned actaully seem quite long when I think about what my moonmage can do out of combat with a couple of armbands. In one minute I can prep a max strength seer spell, give myself a healthy dose of shadows, and be fully recovered. Make that two minutes and you can add a nice CV and a maximum strength shear. Give me three minutes and I'll have time to drop a moonbeam and cast a contingency spell that will outlast all my other spells.
The time it takes us to meditate is a lingering question. I was hoping others barbs could put their insight on answering that one and then we'll see what balances out from there.
Paladins no long have (maybe this was just announced and not implemented yet) a major drawback to using thier abilities. There is a timer of sorts that won't let them use them constantly. My guess would be that we would have a similar sort of timer.
A timer might work too. Whatever seems to balance out works for more me.
-Rufhy
- Ability to regain your inner fire at a faster pace then killing creatures (positive side is that your gaining inner fire faster, downside is that you don't get to kill creatures so you don't get the experience to learning weapons/defenses/etc.)
Kneeling while in certain hunting grounds is a certain way to die. So I agree that it's already got that drawback. I also think when you meditate on a blade you should be focused on that section of the flame. What I'm suggesting is that meditations should block out all things around you.
Example:
>meditate torch fire
You gaze into the depths of the flame until you can focus on the inner portion of the blue stylized fire. You feel a warm connection sink into your mind and soul as you are one with the flame.
get scimitar
Your body tells you to move but your mind resists the urge as you remain focused on the flame.
SNAP You feel a sharp awakening sensation and are drawn back into reality. The aura around you feels brighter then ever as your mind and soul work as one.
Something along those lines.
The times you mentioned actaully seem quite long when I think about what my moonmage can do out of combat with a couple of armbands. In one minute I can prep a max strength seer spell, give myself a healthy dose of shadows, and be fully recovered. Make that two minutes and you can add a nice CV and a maximum strength shear. Give me three minutes and I'll have time to drop a moonbeam and cast a contingency spell that will outlast all my other spells.
The time it takes us to meditate is a lingering question. I was hoping others barbs could put their insight on answering that one and then we'll see what balances out from there.
Paladins no long have (maybe this was just announced and not implemented yet) a major drawback to using thier abilities. There is a timer of sorts that won't let them use them constantly. My guess would be that we would have a similar sort of timer.
A timer might work too. Whatever seems to balance out works for more me.
-Rufhy
Alright, first of all, Meditations on the field of battle is stupid. Come on, we are Barbs, but, sure as Alduath, you won't catch me sitting down in front of a few nasty things with sharp weapons. Seems meditations are done before battle, where the minute or what have you down time would be bothersome but not deadly. Especially if these meditations last for a goodly amount of time.
The pallie's abilities have been limited by their soul state. If they LEAD a group, cast any glyphs, their soul state would be reduced, limiting the effectiveness of further use of abilities, and eventually spell casting. Yes, this made no sense whatsoever. Finally, it has been fixed. Now, paladins have their soul state, which is raised by the usual means, and lowered only in doing bad things (like, getting the jump on somebody, or, being sneaky! Bad tin can! Bad!). Their abilities now draw from a separate power source that regenerates on its own, much like the mana pool, only a lot slower. There is a news item about it, News 3 11. This system has been out since the first.
Anyhow, hope I've been able to provide some useful information and ideas. I'm probably going to forget about this topic for awhile, so, take care, and come visit me in Aesry if ya get the chance.
Long Live the Pok!!
The pallie's abilities have been limited by their soul state. If they LEAD a group, cast any glyphs, their soul state would be reduced, limiting the effectiveness of further use of abilities, and eventually spell casting. Yes, this made no sense whatsoever. Finally, it has been fixed. Now, paladins have their soul state, which is raised by the usual means, and lowered only in doing bad things (like, getting the jump on somebody, or, being sneaky! Bad tin can! Bad!). Their abilities now draw from a separate power source that regenerates on its own, much like the mana pool, only a lot slower. There is a news item about it, News 3 11. This system has been out since the first.
Anyhow, hope I've been able to provide some useful information and ideas. I'm probably going to forget about this topic for awhile, so, take care, and come visit me in Aesry if ya get the chance.
Long Live the Pok!!
<<Alright, first of all, Meditations on the field of battle is stupid. Come on, we are Barbs, but, sure as Alduath, you won't catch me sitting down in front of a few nasty things with sharp weapons. Seems meditations are done before battle, where the minute or what have you down time would be bothersome but not deadly. Especially if these meditations last for a goodly amount of time.>>
Hyde96
<<Personally, I don't think it's possible because you need to be at peace enough with yourself to gaze at the fire which is a reflection of your inner fire.>>
Rufhy
I agree with ya. What ideas are you suggesting for the workings of meditation?
-Ruffles
Hyde96
<<Personally, I don't think it's possible because you need to be at peace enough with yourself to gaze at the fire which is a reflection of your inner fire.>>
Rufhy
I agree with ya. What ideas are you suggesting for the workings of meditation?
-Ruffles
Comment on the bleeder meditation. I really like this idea but with anything good there has to be something bad. In this one (really nice description by the way) you can see that the barbarian uses his training to slow down his bodily functions in such as way to slow down bleeders. As a penalty of doing this, while the mediation last perhaps the barbarian would suffer and sizeable hit to his fighting or defensive capabilities due to the fact that his muscles are slow.
Meditate <bleeder>
>><name> draws on his Barbarian training to slow his bodily functions as an aid to healing.
>>-slows bleeders down.
~Ternith Sjomah
Meditate <bleeder>
>><name> draws on his Barbarian training to slow his bodily functions as an aid to healing.
>>-slows bleeders down.
~Ternith Sjomah
>>Comment on the bleeder meditation. I really like this idea but with anything good there has to be something bad. In this one (really nice description by the way) you can see that the barbarian uses his training to slow down his bodily functions in such as way to slow down bleeders. As a penalty of doing this, while the mediation last perhaps the barbarian would suffer and sizeable hit to his fighting or defensive capabilities due to the fact that his muscles are slow. Meditate <bleeder>
>><name> draws on his Barbarian training to slow his bodily functions as an aid to healing.
>>-slows bleeders down.
~Ternith Sjomah <<
I don't think this would really affect anything as meditations aren't going to be used in mid-combat and this particular meditation would probably only be used to give the Barbarian time to see an empath. I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
-Tarrick
>><name> draws on his Barbarian training to slow his bodily functions as an aid to healing.
>>-slows bleeders down.
~Ternith Sjomah <<
I don't think this would really affect anything as meditations aren't going to be used in mid-combat and this particular meditation would probably only be used to give the Barbarian time to see an empath. I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
-Tarrick
I really like this idea but with anything good there has to be something bad.
-Ternith
I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
-Tarrick
Valid points, both. I, too, agree that there has to be some downside to this nice proposed bonus, but was at a loss as to what to recommend. I believe this idea fits nicely in line with what I had envisioned. This, or maybe a hit to burden for the duration, or something similar that would suggest a limitation that would logically ensue from a slowing of bodily functions.
Just not constipation <g>
Maulem
-Ternith
I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
-Tarrick
Valid points, both. I, too, agree that there has to be some downside to this nice proposed bonus, but was at a loss as to what to recommend. I believe this idea fits nicely in line with what I had envisioned. This, or maybe a hit to burden for the duration, or something similar that would suggest a limitation that would logically ensue from a slowing of bodily functions.
Just not constipation <g>
Maulem
I just got an idea for what kind of hit we can do for this particular meditation. Ok, so I was at work thinking of what to add on to this idea and was thinking for something viable to use. Then I started thinking of some funny examples to put in. Here goes nothing:
So you meditate and eventually slow down and eventually stop the bleeder. This takes a severe evasion hit however to you, reason being all your body and mind is focused on controlling the bleeder(s), and you disregard the focus to your defensive abilities.
Example:
"Rufh, get off the computer, it's time to eat dinner!"
"I'll be down in a minute, mom."
30 minutes pass by...
"I'll be down in a minute, mom. Just busy teaching someone about forging."
Notice how I'm disregarding dinner in this case, while still focused on DR?
-Rufhy
lol, I loved that example :)
So you meditate and eventually slow down and eventually stop the bleeder. This takes a severe evasion hit however to you, reason being all your body and mind is focused on controlling the bleeder(s), and you disregard the focus to your defensive abilities.
Example:
"Rufh, get off the computer, it's time to eat dinner!"
"I'll be down in a minute, mom."
30 minutes pass by...
"I'll be down in a minute, mom. Just busy teaching someone about forging."
Notice how I'm disregarding dinner in this case, while still focused on DR?
-Rufhy
lol, I loved that example :)
Greetings Tarrick.
>I don't think this would really affect anything as meditations aren't going to be used in mid-combat and this particular meditation would probably only be used to give the Barbarian time to see an empath. I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
Well, from your logic, I would more see a RT to walk to another room, thus giving the Barbarian a disadvantage to find the needed Empath (takes more time to find said Empath because of the RT's) and having an effect 'logical' with the function described (slowing down body functions). The RT could be 2 or 3 seconds for example.
Just my 2 copper kronars, though.
Fafrahd the slinger
>I don't think this would really affect anything as meditations aren't going to be used in mid-combat and this particular meditation would probably only be used to give the Barbarian time to see an empath. I think a possible side effect of this meditation however, since the Barbarian is slowing down his body functions would be also a slowing of his learning capabilities for the duration.
Well, from your logic, I would more see a RT to walk to another room, thus giving the Barbarian a disadvantage to find the needed Empath (takes more time to find said Empath because of the RT's) and having an effect 'logical' with the function described (slowing down body functions). The RT could be 2 or 3 seconds for example.
Just my 2 copper kronars, though.
Fafrahd the slinger
A thought concerning barbaric abilities:
Aren't they generally suited toward offense, and offense only?
Beserk: Killing things in a rage.
Roars: Scareing things and stunning things, to kill them easier, or a group rage.
Dances: Agility, Reflex, Balance, Perc (ok, this is the one example of non-offense ability), strength, weapons...
Everything (except eagle) is suited toward offense. Should/will meditations we think up be limited by this tendency of killing things? A defensive meditation would seem to be out of place with our other abilities, along with the slowing of bleeders. Of course, cases can be made for all ideas, but the question remains:
As Barbarians, should our abilities always be suited in some way toward offense?
I think so.
The Pok, hoping to kill you faster than you can manage to attack him.
Aren't they generally suited toward offense, and offense only?
Beserk: Killing things in a rage.
Roars: Scareing things and stunning things, to kill them easier, or a group rage.
Dances: Agility, Reflex, Balance, Perc (ok, this is the one example of non-offense ability), strength, weapons...
Everything (except eagle) is suited toward offense. Should/will meditations we think up be limited by this tendency of killing things? A defensive meditation would seem to be out of place with our other abilities, along with the slowing of bleeders. Of course, cases can be made for all ideas, but the question remains:
As Barbarians, should our abilities always be suited in some way toward offense?
I think so.
The Pok, hoping to kill you faster than you can manage to attack him.
<< Aren't they (barbaric abilities) generally suited toward offense, and offense only? >>
Badger dance is all defense, and most of the other dances are arguably as good for defense as they are offense (swan, panther, wolverine, dragon). Berserk and roar kaith'adru are great defensive tools: they don't actually improve our killing power much directly, unless you need the strength boost to get to minimum RT, but they let us survive in extreme situations long enough to kill most things (the best offense is a good defense? No but it doesn't hurt). The leather bonus and BMR are defensive guild abilities.
It would be nice if barbarians had more offense-focused abilities. The forthcoming double arrow strike may well be that.
But I'm not opposed to any new defensive abilities/tricks which let us survive against things we need to kill to level without requiring defensive skills to be as high or higher than primary ones...
Well, from your logic, I would more see a RT to walk to another room
Fafrahd
I believe I like this idea the best for the hit to my recommended ability. Granted, it would discourage it's use in combat, but if you get hit hard enough to require attention, and are able to run out of the hunting grounds, then use the meditation to slow the bleeding to make it more tendable until you can get to an empath. The rt for moving is a superb idea.
Maulem
Fafrahd
I believe I like this idea the best for the hit to my recommended ability. Granted, it would discourage it's use in combat, but if you get hit hard enough to require attention, and are able to run out of the hunting grounds, then use the meditation to slow the bleeding to make it more tendable until you can get to an empath. The rt for moving is a superb idea.
Maulem
