Scraping and rubbing probably releases all the magical goodness.


Farewell, remorse: all good to me is lost; Evil, be thou my good.
~Paradise Lost (bk. IX, l. 171)

If the item was simple camo coloring, and it boosted stealth as it does, they would be MUCH more common than they are in the game. Every clothing merchant in the game would be making camo clothing.

Farewell, remorse: all good to me is lost; Evil, be thou my good.
~Paradise Lost (bk. IX, l. 171)

>>The balance issues I think if you tried to debate that this cloak is capable of being a pocket handy version of khri silence is staggering. That could mean there might be cloaks one day capable of giving the wearer a natural 'berserk' effect, etc.

Actually, the word 'berserker' comes from the Old Norse word 'berserkr'. It referred to the a bears skin that was worn by Viking warriors. The Vikings believed they would inherit the strength and ferocity of the bear if they wore it's skin. Although it probably didn't really give them any more strength or fighting ability, the psychological impact it had on the warriors was substantial.

-Gavyn

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"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Well first off, barbarians do have attunement. Probably a mechanics limitation on that, I don't know. Easily tested with an achaedi crystal.

Game balance is probably the reason on berserking and all that stuff with polo cloaks.

The roaring and dancing is just tied to any kind of invisibility it doesn't care about the source from the messaging.

Berserking might also just be triggering off the invisibility status, I don't know since I am not aware of any barb-usable 100% non-magical inviso available for testing. Also the stench of magic messaging pre-dates roars and dances.

From what I can tell, barbarians can use things that are self-contained, meaning the power source and magic or magic-like effects are in one package.

Barbarians cannot use items which draw upon their surroundings, wands/rattles/etc..., nor items which require inherent magical knowledge like runes.

Some items are self-contained and extend into the user, cjs for example, and others are self-contained but do not extend into the individual, apple seed bracelet, polo cloaks, etc...

Personally I think the items which extend into the invidual should cause problems, this will be handled in the future by MD rank penalties since the items which extend into the user teach MD.

Items which don't extend into the user, I think should be left up to the invidual barbarian.

Navak doesn't hate magic, he doesn't even really dislike magic, it just isn't for him. MR, and BMR, has nothing to do with how a person views magic.

I am --- Navak

Camo cloaks, as I have been told (never owned one, due to this) have a set amount of charges. After that point they give no benefit. The only 'chargless' item that gives some real benefit to my knowledge is the polo cloak, which seems to suck up mana between castings from the local area and then requires a downtime after use. Nifty idea which really could be applied to other rare items. Maybe not give 'invisibility though'. Anything chargless and ergo infinite (within context) really has to be balanced very carefully.


Farewell, remorse: all good to me is lost; Evil, be thou my good.
~Paradise Lost (bk. IX, l. 171)

I'm pretty sure its intentional. Should be a great deal longer as well, but this thread really isnt about the item being over powered or not, but its interaction as a magical device. Given the relative low level aspect of magical items in DR, a limitless source of instant invisibility is a shocking contrast. Even in a very magical item heavy environment like D&D people would consider that "broken" or very poorly balanced until higher levels (at which point mages are stopping time, etc).


Farewell, remorse: all good to me is lost; Evil, be thou my good.
~Paradise Lost (bk. IX, l. 171)

<<Any GM's gonna comment as to whether or not the camoflauge cloaks are magical, so that I may ditch mine?

No, thats not a question we are going to answer.

GameMaster Niamah
Barbarian Liaison

"Give them nothing, take from them, everything!"

<<Camo cloaks, as I have been told (never owned one, due to this) have a set amount of charges. After that point they give no benefit.

They are not charged. I have 2. I use the one I'm wearing at least 30-40 times daily. If they are, in fact, charged than the number of charges is in the thousands. And Catallus, I notice a significant boost to stealth while using mine; I'd put the rank equivalent somewhere between 40-60 ranks. There are certain critters that can spot me when I snipe them; when I use the cloak, they don't spot me and I remain hidden.


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She offered her honor.
He honored her offer.
And all night long,
It was honor and offer.

I've never had a cameo cloak and what I am about to say is based entirely on memory so it could certainly be off. Feel free to correct to your heart's content.

That being said, I seem to remember a board discussion several years about on cameo cloaks and after much talk and analyzing, it was concluded that there were two types that were almost identical but one was charged and one wasn't.

>>Eh, just sounds like two overpowered items came out. I dont think they would make a glove that boosted your weapon skill with infinite charges.

Though there are roar helms that boost roar power without charges...

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< You clamp your teeth on an arbelog's abdomen gnashing it with painful bites that cuts deeply into its groin.
An arbelog is moderately stunned!
An arbelog hisses out a whispered curse as it stumbles, falls, then dies.
[You're very badly balanced]

Also roar cloaks that boosts roar defense without charges.


Vinjince

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"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."

- Sima Yi

Someone must be bitter over the fact that stalking will no longer put you in our group and let you be free of roars. :P




-Galren Moonskin

Messenger Boy: The Thessalonian you're fighting... he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him.
Achilles: Thats why no-one will remember your name.

<<Roar Cloaks? (Sounds silly!).

They're actually pretty effective, all guilds can use them. You should get one, I'll sell you mine.


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Oh and most importantly of all, I train like you train for your guild, the cloak doesn't really help someone that doesn't train heaily on stealth, because if they have 100, 200 or even 300 a cloak isn't going to help them much, now for us extremely stealthy non-thieves that have sacraficed a great deal of weapon ranks so that we may stalk well in the shadows it comes in handy quite a bit. I know if I would have used genie and the super scripts people use now a days I would have not had to sacrafice weapons but as an old school barb still using wizard and no real scripts that is what I had to do in order to excel in stealth so please stop hating on the blasted cloak that I have used since the beginning.


Executioner Catullus

Catullus, even if the ONLY person you are conflicting with is yerself, take it to conflicts folder ;)


GameMaster Niamah
Barbarian Liaison

"Give them nothing, take from them, everything!"