>>It would be a great way to use secondary accounts to actually repair and boost IF.

How many people would actually do this? It has very little value compared to a pet Trader, Empath, or Cleric.
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Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror.

I really dislike the idea of being able to choose Magic or not. One of the basic tenets of Barbarianism is that we not only do not like magic, we abhor it. To give the choice would be to completely change what it means to be a Barbarian. Not that I think any of our current (or past for that matter) GMs would ever consider this, but I just want to say that I really do not like it.

I will give you that. But to me a change like that would be akin to giving Clerics the ability to heal people. Just doesn't seem right in this game. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

BMR isn't a choice, it is something that really goes right to the core of the guild itself. If you want your resistance to be tanked, I guess you could use all your IF; you would still have some decently strong resistance, but it would absolutely be weaker.


~GameMaster Aurdun Smashfoot

>>IE guild leaders that wont speak to them, abilies lost, etc. as long as those things that are lost are replaced via something else.

I can see Barbarians deciding to forfeit control of IF in order to make or use magical enchantments or be some sort of magical smith.

However, there is a point where your character simply fails to be a Barbarian - as defined by a guild - in any sense of the word, which sort of begs the question: why didn't you choose a guild more appropriate for your character's personality?

Tactical weapon master is certainly a valid choice and is reflected in dances and battle cries. Magic-using Barbarian? "Magic is bad" is the first thing Agonar tells you when you join. You can be a tactical weapon master in the Warrior Mage guild if you really think you should be able to use magic well.
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Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror.

I just wanted to day...


I am a civilized, sophisticated, highly educated Elothean barbarian. Thus I don't fear or despise magic. However I have taken a different path.


The original use of the term "barbarian" originated to reference anyone not from Roman or Greek civilization during that era of time. In fantasy it's taken on the more bloodthirsty stereotypes, but I personally don't see those stereotypes as mandatory.

I've chosen to take the path of one who uses his inner fire for his strength, but maintains focus as a disciplined warrior. I am hoping that meditations give him more opportunity to portray that image. Only under dire circumstances does he allow his rage to unleash outwardly in combat.


That being said... I think by default barbarians and use of magic should not mix, period. I say this not so much because of historical definitions, but it IS a defining characteristic of a guild in Dragonrealms. It's the most defining characteristic and cannot be removed from those who choose the guild.

I'm not sure I like the group inner fire thing either. That is just a personal opinion. I don't see how it really fits into any conception.


My fear with BMR tweaks is that magic at high ends is exceptionally powerful. It's more easily trained than any actual combat and for reasons I won't repeat, there is already a distinct advantage for being a mage. If I can get hit by several mages in prime with a number of spells, and there's an uproar about "invincibility" then I seriously see problems arising if it's scaled down. Seems the barbs in TF find it the same way.

There's a LOT of things to consider here and as I promised, I will bring attention to that fact over and over.

<<My fear with BMR tweaks is that magic at high ends is exceptionally powerful. It's more easily trained than any actual combat and for reasons I won't repeat, there is already a distinct advantage for being a mage. If I can get hit by several mages in prime with a number of spells, and there's an uproar about "invincibility" then I seriously see problems arising if it's scaled down. Seems the barbs in TF find it the same way.

My fear with magic tweaks is that BMR at high ends is exceptionally powerful. It's more easily trained than any actual magic and for reasons I won't repeat, there is already a distinct advantage for being a barbie. If I can't hit several barbies in prime with a number of spells, and there's an uproar about "invincibility" then I seriously see problems arising if it's scaled down. Seems the mages in TF find it the same way.

I thought several GMs already said that BMR was broken and that the calcs break down? Did I miss something or did someone else? What exactly is being argued here?

Stolas

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The views expressed in this post are in no way endorsed by the Moon Mage guild or the Progeny of Tezirah sect ... but I am sure they will come around.

<<If you want to be okay with a weapon and use a bunch of magic too, be a Warrior Mage. If you want to be great at defense, good on offense and use a little bit of magic, be a Paladin. If you want to own the world with your you weapon and take a good deal of what the world throws at you while laughing in the face of magic, be a Barbarian.
~GameMaster Aurdun Smashfoot

I love that.

You know, I've played Drex as my main for at least 7 years and I'm just now starting to actually get a feel for her as a barbarian. She's been everything but in her RP and that conflicted to being a barbarian. However, magic never entered my mind and it still doesn't. I LIKE not having magic as a part of her.

What I DO like is having her out in the field in a skirt and heels kicking the crap out of things with her hands and feet. I can be different and unique as a barb and still not use magic. To me, introducing magic into the guild is diluting it and watering it down to become a cookie cutter guild and it'll be followed up with complaints about rooms without mana. Blah, I say.

Personal attacks end here. Period.


~GameMaster Aurdun Smashfoot

RP wise there are tons of ways to RP your barb, mechanically there are pretty much two. That's what was meant when asked to give more paths. Atleast that's what I meant

It's ok to bring a different opinion when that's what it is, all you do when you come here and post on the barb boards is grief about this that and the third. That's not called an opinion it's called whining. Big difference.

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Guys, conflicts and personal attacks need to end. This has been stated multiple times.

~GameMaster Aurdun Smashfoot