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Given the fact that you can train an offhand weapon now, I wouldn't take dual load into account. The second shot on a dual load is a snap shot, not nearly as effective as the first shot (assuming it is full aim). If your offhand skill was equal to your LT then it would be like two shots, granted 2 seconds in RT instead of 1. On the other hand you have a load time for longbow, and a aim time. But you wouldn't have evasion penalties, and could use a shield with LT and offhand.
Not saying you should necessarily not take up longbow, but I think what you really need to consider is the difference in power. Right now longbow is much more powerful than LT. What about when the bow modifiers get downtweaked? I would think that longbow would still be more powerful, just not by as much.
I know that wasn't really a suggestion, but just wanted to give you some things to think about.
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Ahh, Longbow vs. Light Thrown, a very interesting discussion. Being one of the only LT primary Barbs in the realms, I suppose I can offer you a little bit of information to help with your decision.
Light Thrown itself is a great weapon, despite being overshadowed by Heavy Thrown. As someone mentioned before, it's very very fast, and can be used with a shield really well. No matter what any GM tell you, (I've used the weapon long enough to know) LT does give a penalty of some sort when throwing. This penalty is probably not as big as the penalty given to Long bow when you load and aim, but it IS there, trust me. (I'm not sure if it will be fixed or if it's even intended to be)
While LT is fast, it does have its drawbacks too. For one, LT isn't as powerful as Longbow, or even Heavy thrown for that matter. Long bow gives you the option of either snap shooting or aiming to get an even greater hit. Even after the downtweaking to bows, Ssra mention that they will still be more powerful. So no matter how many ranks you have in LT, remember that the same amount in long bow has the potential of giving you greater results.
LT is also very easy to lose. Some people prefer using the weaker LT weapons over anything expensive because they don't want to risk losing their weapon. Currently, the best LT weapons in the realms does not even compare to capped longbows and capped arrows. This leads into the fact that there are no forged LT weapons good enough to be used. Most say that the thrown template is messed up currently, and if it is, then you probably can look forward to some improved thrown weapons when the forging rewrite comes out. Even after the bow downtweaks, I get the impression that a capped long bow with capped arrows will always be > the best LT weapon, even if not by much.
Thrown has also been promised some upgrades, like the ability to multi throw, and even lodging damage if it stays lodged. Not to mention new types of thrown weapons, (bolas, nets) that let you entangle your target and possibly dropping them to the floor. So I think the big picture you have to look at is raw power (and by this, I mean POWER) vs. speed and versatility (pending that the upgrades for thrown do come out). Long bow actually is not really slow at all, and the power makes up for it very nicely. But if you'd rather have something faster, works with shield really well, and although weaker, has a lot of potential, then you might want to check out thrown. Of course, if you have trouble deciding... then I suggest you keep training both weapons, it doesn't hurt to know both. And at some point in the future you'll decide on which you like best.
If you want any advice on which are best LT weapons in the realms, and others that are useful, just send me a message at my AIM Vinjince00.
Relentless Vinjince
Light Thrown itself is a great weapon, despite being overshadowed by Heavy Thrown. As someone mentioned before, it's very very fast, and can be used with a shield really well. No matter what any GM tell you, (I've used the weapon long enough to know) LT does give a penalty of some sort when throwing. This penalty is probably not as big as the penalty given to Long bow when you load and aim, but it IS there, trust me. (I'm not sure if it will be fixed or if it's even intended to be)
While LT is fast, it does have its drawbacks too. For one, LT isn't as powerful as Longbow, or even Heavy thrown for that matter. Long bow gives you the option of either snap shooting or aiming to get an even greater hit. Even after the downtweaking to bows, Ssra mention that they will still be more powerful. So no matter how many ranks you have in LT, remember that the same amount in long bow has the potential of giving you greater results.
LT is also very easy to lose. Some people prefer using the weaker LT weapons over anything expensive because they don't want to risk losing their weapon. Currently, the best LT weapons in the realms does not even compare to capped longbows and capped arrows. This leads into the fact that there are no forged LT weapons good enough to be used. Most say that the thrown template is messed up currently, and if it is, then you probably can look forward to some improved thrown weapons when the forging rewrite comes out. Even after the bow downtweaks, I get the impression that a capped long bow with capped arrows will always be > the best LT weapon, even if not by much.
Thrown has also been promised some upgrades, like the ability to multi throw, and even lodging damage if it stays lodged. Not to mention new types of thrown weapons, (bolas, nets) that let you entangle your target and possibly dropping them to the floor. So I think the big picture you have to look at is raw power (and by this, I mean POWER) vs. speed and versatility (pending that the upgrades for thrown do come out). Long bow actually is not really slow at all, and the power makes up for it very nicely. But if you'd rather have something faster, works with shield really well, and although weaker, has a lot of potential, then you might want to check out thrown. Of course, if you have trouble deciding... then I suggest you keep training both weapons, it doesn't hurt to know both. And at some point in the future you'll decide on which you like best.
If you want any advice on which are best LT weapons in the realms, and others that are useful, just send me a message at my AIM Vinjince00.
Relentless Vinjince
LOL you guys have pretty much just said exactly what's been running through my mind. I don't know what to go with, so I think I'll take your advice Vinjince and just train both for now. I'll probably end up going with LT, if for no other reason than that I don't like to pick up arrows :-P
Any advice on a decent LT for a decent price? I only have about 3 plat currently, and I lost the diamond-etched boko that was given to me when I was a mere babe.
Blood wolves it is then!
Thanks,
Bugrit
Any advice on a decent LT for a decent price? I only have about 3 plat currently, and I lost the diamond-etched boko that was given to me when I was a mere babe.
Blood wolves it is then!
Thanks,
Bugrit
yeesh.. if you don't like to pick up things, you'd think LT would be the worst choice. Just get a hundred arrows or more, then ya don't have to pick up all that often.
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Let me get this straight: you took all the money you made franchising your name and bet it against the Harlem Globetrotters?
Krusty: I thought the Generals were due!
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heehee, it was because of Vin that I became LT primary, but one thing that does seem to be glossed over is that with Longbow you only get evasion, with LT you get Evasion and Shield, with OH you can have whichever two of the defenses you want.
The weapon makes a big difference with LT too. I was using the Mod impact throwing club which is great, but then I lost it and had to use one of the fair impact bolas for a couple hours, the damage was just vastly different back then. I know with the club I'd get heavy or better hits, when I had to use the bola I was barely hitting over fair.
LT is faster in that you don't have to load it, but if your considering PvP then the other person will probably have loaded their bow so the opening shot value isn't as great as it would first appear, but if your opening throw lands a stun(even a small one), your opponent is pretty much just as dead as if you had one-shot them with an arrow, since your going to keep hitting them and most likely keep them stunned.
The worst thing about LT in my opinion is losing the darn thing. So far I've lost 3 festival clubs, which are expensive to replace at 15 or so plat a piece. I'm just waiting until I have enough strength to throw the mallets, which I have like 2 dozen of in my vault.
I've read on other boards about LT being really hard to train or lock. I think that statement is as far from the truth as possible. I'm able to lock LT in the blink of an eye it seems, you just need swarm critters. Before I had enough charisma to roar hiss and scare away like 10 things, LT would be my emergency button for escape, since I could kill an entire room in short order.
Lastly is the cosmetic issue...
Sure a longbow, nifty painted arrows, looks real cute and rangerly...
I prefer slipping the daggers outta the bandolier, dropping the darts secretly into my hand, drawing the axe from... ok so I'm still looking for a fitting container to draw the axe, mallet, and hammer from. LT does have one humiliation factor, killing your opponent with a stuffed bunny :)
"Yes I felt you were so below my notice, I decided to give you massive internal wounds via a stuffed animal!"
The weapon makes a big difference with LT too. I was using the Mod impact throwing club which is great, but then I lost it and had to use one of the fair impact bolas for a couple hours, the damage was just vastly different back then. I know with the club I'd get heavy or better hits, when I had to use the bola I was barely hitting over fair.
LT is faster in that you don't have to load it, but if your considering PvP then the other person will probably have loaded their bow so the opening shot value isn't as great as it would first appear, but if your opening throw lands a stun(even a small one), your opponent is pretty much just as dead as if you had one-shot them with an arrow, since your going to keep hitting them and most likely keep them stunned.
The worst thing about LT in my opinion is losing the darn thing. So far I've lost 3 festival clubs, which are expensive to replace at 15 or so plat a piece. I'm just waiting until I have enough strength to throw the mallets, which I have like 2 dozen of in my vault.
I've read on other boards about LT being really hard to train or lock. I think that statement is as far from the truth as possible. I'm able to lock LT in the blink of an eye it seems, you just need swarm critters. Before I had enough charisma to roar hiss and scare away like 10 things, LT would be my emergency button for escape, since I could kill an entire room in short order.
Lastly is the cosmetic issue...
Sure a longbow, nifty painted arrows, looks real cute and rangerly...
I prefer slipping the daggers outta the bandolier, dropping the darts secretly into my hand, drawing the axe from... ok so I'm still looking for a fitting container to draw the axe, mallet, and hammer from. LT does have one humiliation factor, killing your opponent with a stuffed bunny :)
"Yes I felt you were so below my notice, I decided to give you massive internal wounds via a stuffed animal!"
I personally happen to love LT and what I use all depends, I have a fest throwing club which is sweet and I also have about 8 of those lion clawed throwing daggers which are really good. But when I want to play it safe and use LT I use a capped garg shield. Heavy impact and still has a RT of 1 or 2 having to be brawling though and it seems to hit better than the club for me.
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Rocks do damage about bola level, maybe less. However you can't beat the price.
If you use the throwing daggers from knife clan, be sure to take a lot of them. You're going to lose some, and the damage isn't all that great. If you can get a light war mallet or an iron-banded throwing club, use them by all means, they're the best LT weapons that I've found.
Also, if you have to PVP a bow user, take advantage of the fact that you have a shield to get close and hit them with some dirt. In my experience it's a very effective equalizer against a bow.
I'm another LT primary player. Booyah.
This might not be related and might be answered somewhere else, but does eagle dance affect thrown weapons? I haven't noticed a difference when using it.
If you use the throwing daggers from knife clan, be sure to take a lot of them. You're going to lose some, and the damage isn't all that great. If you can get a light war mallet or an iron-banded throwing club, use them by all means, they're the best LT weapons that I've found.
Also, if you have to PVP a bow user, take advantage of the fact that you have a shield to get close and hit them with some dirt. In my experience it's a very effective equalizer against a bow.
I'm another LT primary player. Booyah.
This might not be related and might be answered somewhere else, but does eagle dance affect thrown weapons? I haven't noticed a difference when using it.
Yes, Eagle effects all thrown, including sling...ewwwww sling.
The problem with the mallets is that they weigh a ton more then the club, bolas weigh more then the club if memory serves. So the club is the best for the lower circles, or those barbarians that train mentals more heavily then physicals.
I love dirt, the only problem I've found is that if you try it against a shield user, you'll never hit them. It seems like shield completely trumps dirt at least in any combat where combatants are near equal.
I sparred a ranger who was probably a bit under me in offense/defense wise, his bow vs. my club. So of course when he loaded the bow it becamse my club vs his evasion(penalized for loaded bow) and it was his bow vs my shield and my evasion. The club reigned supreme, but I think it was in part to having a few more ranks then he did, I didn't confirm his skill level. I know he had good evasion, because I couldn't hit him with fully aimed shots from my bow, which isn't THAT far behind my LT. Shield and berserk is your friend when webbed, unless you can whirlywind. Hmmm, whirlwind with ME/LT throwing axe or LE/LT dagger, I need to start training LE or ME more.
I still think Bow is supreme, but LT is definately starting to give it a run for its money now. If they add in immobilizing bolas and nets or just hindering, I can see it getting a lot better.
Death's Messenger Ndarra, Blade Vixen of the Light Thrown Lodge(in her dreams anyway)
The problem with the mallets is that they weigh a ton more then the club, bolas weigh more then the club if memory serves. So the club is the best for the lower circles, or those barbarians that train mentals more heavily then physicals.
I love dirt, the only problem I've found is that if you try it against a shield user, you'll never hit them. It seems like shield completely trumps dirt at least in any combat where combatants are near equal.
I sparred a ranger who was probably a bit under me in offense/defense wise, his bow vs. my club. So of course when he loaded the bow it becamse my club vs his evasion(penalized for loaded bow) and it was his bow vs my shield and my evasion. The club reigned supreme, but I think it was in part to having a few more ranks then he did, I didn't confirm his skill level. I know he had good evasion, because I couldn't hit him with fully aimed shots from my bow, which isn't THAT far behind my LT. Shield and berserk is your friend when webbed, unless you can whirlywind. Hmmm, whirlwind with ME/LT throwing axe or LE/LT dagger, I need to start training LE or ME more.
I still think Bow is supreme, but LT is definately starting to give it a run for its money now. If they add in immobilizing bolas and nets or just hindering, I can see it getting a lot better.
Death's Messenger Ndarra, Blade Vixen of the Light Thrown Lodge(in her dreams anyway)
Hey, no disrespecting slings allowed. I tried being sling primary before arm shields were released and their big advantage over bows and thrown (shield and lower rountime) were taken away. They're actually not bad early on but the ammunition damage doesn't scale well as the enemies get tougher. If they ever release some sling ammunition better than fair impact, they might go from "useless" to "novelty".
Anyway, the mallets are heavier but throwing things uses a lot less stamina than swinging. I didn't get my strength/stamina to even 20 until I got near 30th circle (wimpy Elotheans) but up until then the mallet wasn't overly tiring or slow. And the versatility of the MB/ME/LT is great.
One more thing - for the love of all things holy, keep your shield skill equal with your weapon. With thrown it's really easy to get lazy and let your weapon and retreating ability cause a shield neglect. I'm having to backtrain a lot because the things I need to hunt have too easy a time hitting me when they get lucky and catch me at melee.
Skirmisher Seducati, Solder of the House of the Steel Dove
Anyway, the mallets are heavier but throwing things uses a lot less stamina than swinging. I didn't get my strength/stamina to even 20 until I got near 30th circle (wimpy Elotheans) but up until then the mallet wasn't overly tiring or slow. And the versatility of the MB/ME/LT is great.
One more thing - for the love of all things holy, keep your shield skill equal with your weapon. With thrown it's really easy to get lazy and let your weapon and retreating ability cause a shield neglect. I'm having to backtrain a lot because the things I need to hunt have too easy a time hitting me when they get lucky and catch me at melee.
Skirmisher Seducati, Solder of the House of the Steel Dove
I tried to train sling with rocks from the crossing shop. I started having suicidal thoughts. I'm waiting for my friend to dig up the special ammo before I begin working that towards 151 again.
I do love the variation of weapons with LT though, at least for RP purposes.
Longbow - mistwood longbow + basilisk arrow(so boring, deadly but boring)
LT - Bandolier full of lion claw daggers, Hidden sheath full of poisoned darts. I Just need like a throwing weapons belt or hooks container, something like that for my mallets/axes/clubs. I still need more axes.
Shield has become more and more important as Ssra continues to make changes. I just wish we could get tanned quality medium shields, to take advantage of our 'bonus' of being able to wear medium shields on the arm.
Also, I'd recomend trying to get a multiple armor setup. There is a lot of differences in armor setups for barbarians now. Some using full LC, some LC/HC, full Leather, etc. I couldn't say which is the very best, but I train Leather/LC/HC so once I make the decision on what I feel is the best armor setup, I'll have everything I need. Not to mention the extra TDPs.
I do love the variation of weapons with LT though, at least for RP purposes.
Longbow - mistwood longbow + basilisk arrow(so boring, deadly but boring)
LT - Bandolier full of lion claw daggers, Hidden sheath full of poisoned darts. I Just need like a throwing weapons belt or hooks container, something like that for my mallets/axes/clubs. I still need more axes.
Shield has become more and more important as Ssra continues to make changes. I just wish we could get tanned quality medium shields, to take advantage of our 'bonus' of being able to wear medium shields on the arm.
Also, I'd recomend trying to get a multiple armor setup. There is a lot of differences in armor setups for barbarians now. Some using full LC, some LC/HC, full Leather, etc. I couldn't say which is the very best, but I train Leather/LC/HC so once I make the decision on what I feel is the best armor setup, I'll have everything I need. Not to mention the extra TDPs.
