Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 04:44 AM CDT
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Just trying to find out if any of the bard rituals can be casted together? Or is it only one ritual up at a time?
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 05:24 AM CDT
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Just one at a time.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 10:35 AM CDT
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And to boot, you can't release them early.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 01:27 PM CDT
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Ok, then in the same line of questioning...whats our best ritual to use while in normal hunting?
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 01:35 PM CDT
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Personally I recommend Echo for the Attunement boost. Since I'm always finding myself short of mana, it seemed like a good way to go.

I also use Will for the Discipline boost to help with hiding sometimes, or if I really want to tear through things with TM. This can come in handy if I'm in over my head, as the constant stuns/damage from Pyre will tend to even the playing field.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 01:39 PM CDT
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>Ok, then in the same line of questioning...whats our best ritual to use while in normal hunting?

It depends.

Personally I use ECHO since I find the attunement buff useful and when I get around to training sorcery would probably find that buff useful as well.

The only other one I use is WILL. The discipline buff is great and I love the cold damage change.

I can see using WORD in the future if bardic lore gets developed and I'm using mojo more often.

If I PVPed I would think SOUL would be nice to get the charisma buff to land debils better.




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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 01:46 PM CDT
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>>And to boot, you can't release them early.

They will overwrite one another. The release restriction is almost entirely to support the messaging to transition between them :P

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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 02:20 PM CDT
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> Ok, then in the same line of questioning...whats our best ritual to use while in normal hunting?

It's going to depend on your situation. I use ECHO because I train sorcery and burn a lot of mana in combat, and the int boost makes my TM hit harder. WILL could be helpful if you're having trouble hitting with your TM or need help casting at higher mana, and the Disc boost helps with stealth training. SOUL soul could help if you want to get more mana into your buff spells.

As things currently stand, I can't really see an argument for using WORD.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 03:31 PM CDT
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I thoight the switch between them came with a really long stun?
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 03:39 PM CDT
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A fairly long stun, especially going in and out of SOUL. Scream Defiance helps.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 03:44 PM CDT
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> As things currently stand, I can't really see an argument for using WORD.

I actually really like WORD. I tend to use it very often during prolonged hunting sessions, when I don't plan on leaving combat to move performance, or if I think I'll need to use defiance a lot. It's not the most efficient for training purposes, but it fits my interests.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 03:53 PM CDT
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> I actually really like WORD. I tend to use it very often during prolonged hunting sessions, when I don't plan on leaving combat to move performance, or if I think I'll need to use defiance a lot.

Do you find that the base mojo regeneration isn't enough in these situations? I've been using Bluff Amaze* a lot recently without any thought to mojo, and I've never had an issue.


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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 03:58 PM CDT
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It's becoming less of an issue as I gain more bardic lore (either from infrequent use or the skill helping - not sure which), but I was definitely having problems around the 150-200 bardic lore ranks due to liberal use of whistle piercing and scream defiance. Even at 400 ranks, I can run out of mojo if I ignore my instrument for too long.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 10:45 PM CDT
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> when I don't plan on leaving combat to move performance,

Woah lets slow things down here... please teach me your ways of actually getting performance to move in combat? That'll make me a happy camper.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 11:14 PM CDT
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> Woah lets slow things down here... please teach me your ways of actually getting performance to move in combat? That'll make me a happy camper.

Scream concussive. Not great, but it moves it.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 11:36 PM CDT
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Bleh,was hoping for some trick better than that. I can't ever get it beyond 1/34 with that.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/13/2015 11:47 PM CDT
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> Bleh,was hoping for some trick better than that. I can't ever get it beyond 1/34 with that.

Fair enough. My situation is that performance vastly out paces my combats. I'm not really worried about it for circling purposes, and I'm pretty bad about not chasing TDPs. It's admittedly niche, but it works for me.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 05:06 AM CDT
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Ah I guess thats why we have a different focus. For me its the limiting factor in my circling.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 08:32 AM CDT
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>Ah I guess thats why we have a different focus. For me its the limiting factor in my circling.

Me too - the closer Performance is relative to your combats, the better Scream Concuss trains, I thought? I was doing it once per critter and seeing it move along pretty well, with Performance at about 310, and combats at about 260 or so. Isn't the Performance experienced gained a function of how difficult the critter is relative to the skill, i.e, 300 Performance won't train on rats, but will train on gryphons?
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 11:11 AM CDT
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> Me too - the closer Performance is relative to your combats, the better Scream Concuss trains, I thought?

Perhaps, but I doubt it.

> 300 Performance won't train on rats, but will train on gryphons?

definitely not the case. I can still learn performance on rats at over 400 ranks.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 11:44 AM CDT
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Just tested again and it's not working as I remembered. I'm just SCREAM CONC every critter, and it never climbs above 1/34. What are you doing differently and what are your ranks?

Performance is 307, I'm concussing gryphons.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 12:15 PM CDT
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I'm doing it every 10 seconds when it resets. Like I said, it's not fantastic, but it keeps it moving. I also don't tend to spend as much time in combat as I should. My defenses are low, and my weapons are all I need for the next 10 circles or so.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 12:55 PM CDT
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Try WHISTLE PIERCING every three minutes instead. I've never used SCREAM CONCUSSIVE to train, just the whistle and PRACTICE STRETCHING before training Performance.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 12:56 PM CDT
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> Try WHISTLE PIERCING every three minutes instead.

That's a good way to train BL. They're looking to train Performance.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 02:56 PM CDT
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>>That's a good way to train BL. They're looking to train Performance.

Wow, I missed that. I had no idea it trained Performance. Interesting, I might have to try it.

You could also train Performance "in combat" by using Sanctuary to keep the creatures away for a short time. You won't learn defenses that way but you will get to keep your room.
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Re: Bard Ritual restrictions? on 05/14/2015 07:12 PM CDT
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> You could also train Performance "in combat" by using Sanctuary to keep the creatures away for a short time. You won't learn defenses that way but you will get to keep your room.

I might have to try that. It's a good idea as I also tend to train boxes fairly heavily.
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