>>As the parent of a vocal student, the reality of "Voice range" being a pretty excellent Bard RP tool (not to OUT people but as a guild/tool in general) is vitaly important to my eyes. Yes it becomes CLEAR as ice in reality when a TRAINED vocalist is performing and when a voice with less or no training is compared to it. Obviously since our Text RP is limmited...you cant hear it so you have to see it... well you get the idea.

As as an actual oratorio singer, I'd point out even an untrained stooge has a vocal range, and only the most inept instructor could fail to peg it after five minutes of scales. In fact, it is literally the first thing that a vocal coach will ascertain about a student.

It is certainly true a good ear can quickly pick out the difference between a classically trained voice and one that is not -- though I'd argue that pop culture strongly implies the average American cannot. But a bad tenor is still identifiably a tenor, and it's a bit silly to model it otherwise.

For a practical demonstration: http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=43&topic=25&message=8097

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

hey, no hatred for sopranos, kapeesh?

-tony-


seriously though, i would prefer the former, but i suppose i'll have to be singin' me lungs out if i wanna sing beyond one range. ::mutter:: just gimme the helmet with the viking <kaldar?> horns...

ba ba ba DA, da, ba ba ba DA da, ba ba ba DA da , da da da da...

<ride of the valkerie in text just doesn't come across as well...>


<puppeteer behind many who took classes at juilliard in rl. <instumental though, not vocal>

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